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at the uh southeast intersection uh southeast of the intersection. Uh so we have just to give a couple uh a little summary of some of the uh comments that we've gone through through this approval process. We've changed uh the material of the gravel yard that is shown on there from a stone yard into one uh chiefly uh chiefly using millings.
Yep. Uh we've changed some of the materials of the fencing to show a uh a more ornamental fence just to give a uh a nicer appearance from the front of the building. We've also included some uh some uh actually if you want to Josh if you want to flip to the back I have a sample on the uh I believe it's on the last detail sheet there's a uh an example of one of the fence selections. Yeah, in that lower corner there, uh it's just a simple rod iron fence and there's going to be a uh couple of several automated gates that are going to be associated with that. We've uh also added a couple of additional gates uh just to allow ease of access to the surrounding area so uh Mr. young can uh better maintain the surrounding uh grass and pond structures that are already in place. Uh we are not uh or rather we are proposing a bio retention facility to handle uh additional runoff that's going
to be generated from the project. But the majority of um water quality that's that we need to attenuate is going to be provided by the existing ponds which were originally designed to handle uh new construction on these on these out parcels when the facility was built back in 2002. Um, and I believe those are most of the concerns that we had last time. Is there any other questions that we have to that we've yet to cover?
I think the fence was, you know, some decorative type fence and you did that. So,
yes.
Um, I think we covered all the other bases. Uh, the other thing we talked about was a sign, but that's down the road. I guess you'll come in with whatever you're going to do.
Yeah. He'll be he'll be applying for sign permits independently.
Okay. Um, anybody any questions? I think they've done everything we've asked.
Yeah.
Anybody? You guys are okay?
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah.
Folks are all set.
All right. We're good to go. We done seeker on it. So, just need a motion for final approval for this.
Somebody want to make Dave, do you want to do it or
Yeah. A motion for final approval from rents in 5m line road in Webster subject to project review committee comments. Um subject to preliminary approval conditions subject to all applicable government fees subject to the department of public works approvals. Significant construction shall occur within one year as deemed by the planning board to expire on December 2nd, 2026. The conditions of the preliminary and final approval are depicted on the cover page of the final design plans. Engineer for the proposed project shall provide letter of certification that all work was completed as per plan planning board resolution of final approval before CO will be issued. Um, I don't know. Is there a letter of credit required on this, Josh?
I don't believe so.
Um, just for the anything that's in the right features.
Okay. Well, a letter of credit to the town for the project shall include fee for the engineers's final certification inspection of the site. Um all storm water facilities be constructed first. Um subject to resolution of final approved minutes and approvals are subject to drawing. Do you have a drawing number?
Number one,
1843-25.
That's right.
The 11 112 2025. That's the motion. I think I think on the on your elevation drawing you showed a sign up there. This that doesn't include that sign in the approval. So,
yes, I think we're clear on that.
Okay. All right.
Okay. That's your motion.
That's a motion.
Okay. We need a second.
Second.
And a second. All in favor?
I
I guess you're good to go. Good luck. Thank you. Great. Welcome to West. Second item on tonight's agenda, Bellotera Maintenance Garage located at Terara Verie Wade, lot number 209. Applicant is Mike Richie of Costage Engineering, who is requesting final site plan approval associated with the construction of a 1600 square ft accessory maintenance garage on a 0.40 40 acre parcel located in a lowmedium residential district under sections 269-10 twice and 350-36 of the code with the town of Webster.
Good evening. Mike Richie from Cost Engineering. Um we are here before you two weeks ago uh presented this project. Uh we received some comments from you uh mainly associated with the architecture of the the building. Uh we did talk with the architect and um we got uh revised elevations. Um we also uh went to the zoning board of appeals last week. Uh they granted the requested variances, but they had some requests as well. We've uh updated the plan per those. Um, for planning board members who I guess aren't aware of what those comments from the zoning board were, uh, they echoed your comment about wanting windows, um, they also were asking for, uh, some uh, additional landscaping to buffer uh, from the development uh, to the west and we proposed to put some uh, evergreen trees uh, along that west property line. Um, they also asked if the I guess the stone veneer along the the bottom part of the building could be extended around, excuse me, around the side of the building, kind of just give it more of a consistent look.
Nice of them.
Um, and they also asked if we could lower uh the height of the building. Um, and we did that as well. Uh, lowered the garage door and and flatten the pitch out. Um, and again, we've added, I think, five windows and I believe the garage doors will have uh windows in there as well. Um, so we received preliminary and seeker from this board two weeks ago and are requesting final and happy to answer any questions you may have. Looks like it's all been done. So,
anybody any questions or
No. Much better looking than it than what you came in with.
Turned out good. Tom, you have any thought to putting a door in the back of the place?
Not on the back on the side. Yeah, you got I see you got a man door. I was thinking nothing in the back to like is what is that 40 foot long or something?
So if you got something way in the back and you got equipment in there, I thought something out the back door. No biggie.
Just if not. Okay. Anybody any concerns, questions?
No.
Okay. So going to make a motion for approval. Final approval. This is easy one.
Make a motion for final approval presented. the Bellator Maintenance Garage at Terravery Way. Subject to project review committee comments. Subject to uh preliminary approval conditions. Subject to all applicable government fees. Subject to Department of Public Works approvals. Significant construction shall occur within one year as deemed by the planning board to expire on December 2nd, 2026. The conditions of the preliminary and final approval are depicted on the cover page of the final design plans. Um all storm water facility where there's no storm water facility. subject to a resolution of final approved minutes and approvals are subject to drawing number as shown. I can't read
it. There's no way.
It's project number 6786 dated January 2025 or December 2025.
Thank you.
See that? Good for you, man. There's no way. That's a motion.
Okay, we have a motion. Do you
second?
All in favor?
I think you're all set.
Thank you.
Third item on tonight's agenda, vision, Mitsubishi Webster, located at 765 Bridge Road. The applicant Robert Sanders of Sanders Consulting and Andrew Spencer of BME Associates are requesting preliminary site plan approval and a public hearing assoc associated rather with the construction of an approximately 1,200 square ft building addition. expansion of existing parking lot and improvements to existing storm sewer systems on a 3.1 acre parcel located in a medium intensity commercial district under sections 269-11 and 350-18 of the code of the town Webster.
Good evening. My name is Andrew Spencer with BME Associates here representing Visure Mitsubishi for this application. do have representation from vision vision Mitsubishi if I cannot answer any of the board's questions. Um it was a very nice summary that you just had and basically that is exactly what we're doing. A 1,200 ft building addition on the east side of the building and we are expanding a fire lane to go around that expansion of the building. The expansion is going to be used for customer car drop off. So, it's an indoor area where a vehicle will be able to be pulled in. Customer can get out of that vehicle indoors during inclement weather. Um, and then the service uh members of Vision Mitsubishi would then take the vehicle into the shop for the customer. We are also proposing some minor pavement adjustments and amendments to the rear of the site. We are adding some additional parking on the site. Um and we did receive variances from the ZBA for buffers uh on the site. We have a buffer along the east side of approximately 13.3 ft uh buffer to the
west side of approximately four or 5 ft. Uh it is on the plans that the board is now reviewing. Uh we also received a reduction in the front buffer from 50 feet to 42 feet to allow for parking on the uh north side of the building to extend further. Those were angled parking spaces originally and we're proposing them as a true 90°ree uh parking space. Um, we do have storm sewers that are going through the site that'll have to be modified because there is a storm sewer that would be directly underneath the proposed uh building addition. Uh, we did provide a um erosion control uh utility drainage plan. Um, we are going to be taking that storm sewer a little bit further to the east and then connecting back up to some of the existing catch basins. Um we are not uh going to be doing anything within the public realm. All of the approve improvements on the site will be private. Um we did provide some responses to comments that we received uh from the August meeting that we attended as well as um comments that we
received just on November 21st and we did provide a letter um explaining what we are going to be doing on the site. I think one of the main concerns that we we get out of this is a concern about the oil water separator and drainage uh in this building. The plumbing contractor and the owner of the building uh they're reviewing the existing oil water separator uh determine what its capacity is. Uh and then we will take a look at whether or not there is enough capacity within that oil water separator to put a drain within the building. Um, two options then occur. Uh, if there is not capacity, then the owner may not put a drain within the interior of the building. Uh, and secondly, if it does not have capacity, they may replace that oil water separator. That is an unknown at this time. Uh so we would ask the board to uh potentially uh provide and and and give us a conditional approval, preliminary approval uh based upon information that'll be forthcoming. Um with that, I would love to take any questions that the board may have.
What is the what they gave you a variance for the front off of the off of Ridge Road back?
Yes, that is correct. We received a variance to reduce the front setback from 50 feet to 42 feet to
40t. So, so now with every car dealer along, I don't know why they did that. Every car dealer along there is going to be coming in looking to get a variance for 40ft setback. The reason the 50ft setback was there was to maintain that as a green space area, which leads me to another part. You've got trucks making deliveries and they're parking on the road. They were there yesterday. Parking on the road, unloading.
Okay. The applicant at this point in time, the owner of the facility has agreed that any unloading and loading that is going to occur on this site will be done. They've they've done this before. I'm really upset with this. This is a case where the tail is wagging the dog.
We've been through this. We were there. I've talked to those guys over there personally. the new.
Oh yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. New whatever they are. They were there a month ago. And yeah, no problem. And then we asked to have a cut through showing there right now connecting the two units to be able to drive in and out and around. Look like somebody took a pencil and made a a line through there. Like that's going to work. I have a real issue with this. I'm serious. uh all of the turning movements on the site can be performed by those semi-truckss uh coming in and out of sights some
and why are they not using it now?
I do not know that answer sir.
Well, there you go. I do know because they don't have the room to get the trucks in.
They park on the road and unload.
There should be shoulders
spaces right where the trucks can come in unload.
That is not a typical occurrence on any type of commercial development. You do not have truck births and truck areas through parking lots. We can take a look at a whole host of different car dealerships here that have the issue is that all these things have had
the intent is the intent is that the loading and unloading is to be done on the site and the applicant has agreed when I discussed this with them that that is what they're going to be doing was not aware that there was a vehicle out there on the road yesterday. uh that is we are we are site engineers and landscape architects and surveyors trying to propose this uh if there is a code violation that's being um there's code violations occurring then I would suggest that the town go and and apply code violation on this. So I guess I guess the question is how how are they going to do it on site? How are they going to load and unload on site? I realize that you think this is a pencil drawing on a on a piece of paper. This has been done through a turning template um program through AutoCAD and it's showing the worst condition of what a turn could be at approximately 8 miles per hour to 10 miles hour of the speed of a vehicle. Um the vehicle can make and can make the turn from ridge road into the site. There is clearance and there is area available to do that. There is also clearance and area available for that vehicle to turn to
the west and travel along the frontage of the building and then make a turn back to the north to exit on the uh property adjacent.
I mean that that's assuming none of those cars are going to be parked there.
That is correct. When a vehicle comes in, those vehicles any
how frequently are are are cars being dropped off a week, a month, like how frequently?
I'll have to confirm.
So, you're going to move all those vehicles every single time?
No, that will not happen.
Oh, this is circa 2024.
That's correct. So we have um I mean yes that would be
maybe to go up and talk. Yeah. Do do you mind stepping up? Put a mic.
Well, are you part of the applicant or are you public?
Yes. This is June. She's from Vision Automotive.
Okay.
Yep. I'm June Canella from Vision Automotive. Um yes, we'll have to move all those vehicles to pull the trucks in
every time.
Mhm.
Yeah. And then
this isn't
that's not going to happen. Well, you can tell us.
No, I think at our last meeting, we were pretty adamant that that we wanted to see that this can occur within this facility. And if you're going to be using the neighboring facility, do you have an agreement with the neighboring facility that they're going to move their cars every single time to allow for this to come through?
And right now, I mean, this vehicle tracking movement, it's probably out of turn or whatnot. It coming in, you're not staying within the pavement limits. you're you're going into the shoulder.
Um, so I'm not and I understand this is the worst case scenario, but I I don't see this, you know, a truck full of cars going onto the grass. I don't I don't see that as something realistic. Plus, you're right now you have cars parked out in the front within the rightway area and you're saying you're going to move those every single time to get a delivery in. And I think we had people who stopped out there to discuss with the owner and they said that they can't control the drivers and who comes from where and what the driver is and there's a language barrier. So I I don't think I can we can take a guarantee that this will occur uh without it being on site. Um yeah.
Do you know how many cars you have right now currently in the driveway and on the lawn
that is supposed to be the buffer area? I do not know, but I can find out that answer.
I mean, keep in mind this is a safety concern on Red Road. Sorry.
I'm going to guess there's probably at least a dozen vehicles
that are non-conforming right now, parked in the driveway, going out to the road. This is very upsetting for us here because this is something the town has tried to clean up over the years. It's been maintained fairly well. Lately, it's out of control. The only one that's conforming right now that I can see is what's it Garber? Used to be Doy Garbers.
Their landscaping is in the front and all the cars in back. Every other one the cars are parked out almost onto the highway on the grass. And until this gets straightened out, I I'm not prepared to move forward. My opinion.
Yeah, I agree with you. This needs to be taken care of. The m the cars are maxed out on the site. You got I mean zoning board did grant you variances. However, I don't know why they gave a variance for 40 foot where everyone else is 50 foot in the front.
I agree with you too. I think this drawing is a prime example of why I'm sir.
I agree. I mean this drawing they gave us is a prime example of
they're just not it's not going to happen. No,
it's a good demonstration of we cannot
turn our vehicle around on the site and it's going to have to be unloaded someplace out and probably going to be in the road. So, this is a a very good demonstration on exactly why they're not following it.
I do know that all these sites have a special use permit and the suggestion has been made if there's been a code violation that action be taken on that. I would take it a step further. I would have take a send a letter to them saying that you've violated the conditions of approval for the site and the special permit is now subject to being pulled
for operation of the dealership.
It's almost a slap. I mean, they know whoever has the the business knows what the required setbacks are with the vehicles and just go ahead and park them on the road. I guess code enforcement's been over there. They've given them letters last week, but they're still out there and they got letters.
Yeah. I was not aware of
Well, I know you're not. I'm not
I'm not not aware of it.
It's just frustrating for everybody to have to deal with this every day.
And obviously the truckers don't know where to go cuz they park out there. If there was a straight line of communication with the truckers, then they would know exactly where to park their truck. Not on Ridge Road. I
mean, they take up an entire lane. They sit there and then all the cars have to pass them.
Well, it isn't it isn't just that they're parked on the road. Right now it's dry, so to speak.
When you get spring and it's there mud holes and puddles all along there. Well, welcome to Webster. Isn't that a pretty attraction?
I guess
very disgusting.
Not to mention not to mention that there's a lot of cars that are dropped in the after 4:30 and it's dark.
Mhm.
On Ridge Road. It's just it's a real mess. Uh not just for these people, but for several dealers up and down the street. And definitely something's got to be done to straighten it out cuz it's getting way out of hand.
Well, it's a small parcel of land. They've got variances for small setbacks on the side. Additional parking, more cars jamming it in there. This
a vision. Nissan next door. They got a lot off site where they have their cars delivered to and then they drive them up to the dealership. I believe
for the Nissan store.
Yeah.
Same company.
Yep.
And that could actually be done here as well.
Well, okay. Then maybe that's what they need to show us that they're doing. Okay.
Then we will
you got to do do something. And I'm
I don't Well, all right. You got the variance. There's nothing we can do about that.
Yeah. I don't agree with the fact that they got variances.
I don't either. Not at all.
Before this came, before this board, I mean, this is right.
We saw the concept plan. We noticed that
in the original concept plan, the parking in the back was going into the adjacent uh zoning area, which wasn't supposed to do that. And I see it's been pulled up. Uh looks like they compensated for it by putting all the parking up front before coming back to this board and showing the changes to the plan. Uh just
now in the back too there's areas of um says limits of disturbance that do go into the LMR zoning.
Um the understanding is they're supposed to be staying out of that LMR zoning just all together taking away some of the the green buffer in there and that's supposed to be protected by it.
So even though we requested that before it's still not shown in the plans.
We are not going within the LMR zoning district with any parking. Well, this says limits of disturbance and it's going into the LMR zoning and there is correct because we have to we have to grade a little bit into that area. Grading is an allowable use within the LMR zoning.
All of the parking is on the medium intensity commercial district because a special permit is required if parking is shown on the residential district. We pulled that out of there. There is a slight amount of grading that has to occur on this corner, which is the southeast corner of the site. Disturbance also includes removing some of the gravel, removing some of the asphalt that's back there so that that parking area can be paved and be one paved surface. So, as part of this project, it is also trying to improve that parking area in the rear. Um, I am not in agreement for any approval on this project. The way it stands, it's contradictory to what the town's
code has been for setbacks, green space area, so on and so forth. Number one. Number two, the violations that have been going on. We we have to see that something gets corrected. That being vehicles right to you're here tonight and there's vehicles parked right out on almost end of the highway tonight and they're supposed to be back 50 ft or well now you got a new thing 40T. I I can't see this thing moving my opinion moving forward.
So the main issue being the truck turning movements and loading and unloading uh whether it be a formal agreement that is somehow formalized here at the town that says that Vision Mitsubishi will not allow unloading or loading on Ridge Road and we'll do that within the site. The secondary option could be unloading them on a different parcel and then moving them individually to this site or finding some option to be able to maneuver within the site with a with a semi-truck.
Josh, can you go back to the just the site itself?
Okay. See where you're proposing the building there?
Yes.
The addition number one, what's the width of that lot? I think 151 ft wide the whole lot. It's like the size of a a good size house lot and you've got a large building on then you're putting an an addition on 30 out 30 some feet 35 30 feet out then you're showing that area that's darkened edge of pavement you know for I'm going to guarantee you right now that will not happen that will have cars that should be a fire lane right through there that would be maintained and I'll guarantee you it won't just by the nature of the way things have begun. And that's why I have issues with this.
I don't know the rest of the board, but I I agree with you. I I see the layout as something that's really not in conformance with what we would like to see for the site. And that's and it's unfortunate that um the plans we are seeing don't reflect the discussions we had during concept review. Um and also I think it is a very it is a huge issue with um the unloading and loading. I know that several of these sites have been in in the past and they've all promised we are going to take care of it. It has been a condition of approval for all the site plans for these parcels and
yet it's still just not being ignored. So, I think it's it's time to stop.
Well, you know what? Then, as presented, I'll make a motion to deny this application.
I'll second it. Could we could instead of denying this application, could would the board consider tableabling this application so that I can get further information and get further information back to this board
to be able to consider this?
I think the denial is appropriate for this, you know, especially since the plan that has come in is not something that we've seen before. You could you could present another drawing or they could come back in with something else, but it needs to be something considerably different showing where there's I'm looking at the at the site here now. If a driveway came across, you you'd wipe out every one of those parking spaces in the front there to make a to make a truck turn. So, you know, that isn't going to happen. So what they would have to do is is come in with information showing maybe they have another place they lease an area where they unload and then bring their cars there one by one. However, I'm not in the car business. I don't know.
No, we do that.
There's got to be another way to do it.
We do that
because this this has reached the end of the rope in my opinion.
Just keep in mind we had a motion. There was a second.
Okay.
I'll call the role. I call
sorry I I I made a motion to deny the application
and Mr. Malta second.
So this is for denial.
Yes.
Mr. Kani.
Hi.
Mr. Malta.
Hi
Mr. Jardina.
Hi
Mr. Anderson.
Hi
Mr. Kosall.
Hi.
Mr. Gass.
Hi.
Mrs. Maltton.
Hi.
All right. You can reapply if you want to come in with something that's respectable for the area, but this just doesn't make it.
Thank you for your time.
Okay. Thank you.
The last item on tonight's agenda, Fairlife site plan approval conditions modification located at 1886 Tore Road. The applicant Fair Life is seeking a modification of site plan approval conditions associated with a condition number one requiring the reconstruction and off-site improvements to Tapor Road prior to issuance of a certificate of occupancy located in an industrial district under section 269-11F of the code of the town of Webster.
Yes, sir.
Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. Um Ed Burgerer from Fair Life uh representing Fair Life today as we talk about uh T-ball Road. Um I'll just share a little bit of context and a bit of an update on on the project. It's that it's been in the works for the last two years and
Excuse me. Could just get a little bit closer to that microphone there. Okay, there you go.
Thank you.
Yeah. So, by way of update, um look, as you can tell, like a lot of the major building and civil works is is now complete. Um we we've still got some work to do on the on the admin office. That'll that'll continue through through the winter into spring. Um and once that's complete moving into next year, we'll we'll work through the remaining paving, landscaping, um and permanent fencing surrounding the property. Um a lot of the the equipment that's within the building that that's all in place now. Um the wastewater facility is is online. Um we're actively working through equipment validation and and commissioning. Um and daily construction numbers on site are are rapidly ramping down um as we we enter the commissioning and testing phase of the project. Um we've got about 280 of 300 permanent staff hired um that are now undertaken training. Um and this is all in advance of what we expect to be kind of first commercial production from that facility. in in quarter 1 um next year. Um the ramp up it's it's it's pretty slow. It takes about two years to bring this facility up to full capacity. Um
we've got three production lines. Um the first one, as I said, comes on um early in quarter 1 next year. It'll be, you know, over the period of 3 to four months that we we bring the remainder on and then you're looking at an 18 month to twoyear ramp up period. Um and yeah, just as a as a call out, look, we're extremely grateful for for the support, um you know, from local businesses, um vendors, people, um governing bodies who who've supported bringing this project to to where it is today. Um yeah, it's been a lot undertak in in in a rapid time frame, but you know, we're pleased to say that, you know, we're making good progress and hopefully it it'll the construction side of this will be coming to an end shortly. Um so today want to talk about T-Bore Road in particular. T-Bore Road it's probably a 1200 foot section of road that connects our facility to Basket Road. Basket road is off Highway 104 running north. T-bor road runs west to east 1400t long. Um we've been working with numerous um you know governing bodies on the design to remediate and improve T-R um
and that will be our main access to the facility for um heavy vehicles. When I say heavy vehicles, I'm talking about milk tankers and inbound and outbound um you know materials and finished goods. Um that process started late late last year. Um, I think we went through nine iterations of the design. Um, as we work through that, it's the responsibility of that road falls under both Monroe County and the town of Webster. Um, so in partnering with with both those groups, um, we had to work through numerous things to get to where we are today. Um, so that plan is is now approved. Um, the the easements that we needed to get are in place. um the myars have been issued. Um so we're now in a position where we can start the work um to to remediate um and improve improve that road. Just quickly on what we're planning on doing um so there's there's storm water um swailes on both sides of the road. Um they need to be regraded um to new inverts. Um the the the T-our road basket road intersection um will be widened um that
that's largely to accommodate the turning radius of heavy vehicles most of which will be or all of which will be coming from highway 104 um turning right onto T-our road. Um so that shoulder needs to be extended um to accommodate those vehicles. As part of doing that, we we had to replace a lot of the drainage structure. Um the the road itself um will be will be ground and resurfaced. So the entire road um both the driveways into the the neighboring businesses along that road. That that that that will all be replaced with with heavy duty ashfelt as well. Um, and then there's also a dedicated snowplow turn lane which we'll be we'll be putting in on on our property to allow the town um when they plow that road to to turn turn the snowplow road in around and return down T-B Road. There's not a lot of room um on the on the right of way. Um so as I said that that design process is now complete. Um we had to secure a number of easements given that we were increasing the turning radius which extended out of the public rightway. Um and all permits are in place to to basically start start that work. Now um what we're here to today to talk about
is we're come to the end end of summer or the window to carry out a lot of these repairs. That's largely because the the Ashefelt plant is closed over winter. Um so what we're here today to to talk to the planning board about is um we want to carry out some intram upgrades to the road. The the condition of the road now that construction's complete um it has deteriorated. We we do need to improve certainly the right-hand turn radius onto T-our road. We we need to fill some potholes. Um and we al also need to carry out the works to to accommodate the the snow plow. So we want to start that work immediately and get that done um over the coming weeks and we're proposing that in in the spring we will come back um prior to certificate of occupancy and and complete the works on Tour Road. So that being reashfelt the road re you know drainage swailes um and put in all in place all the permanent signage. So yeah just to just to kind of get into a bit more detail on the timeline. Um, so yeah, work through the design process over the last 12 months. Um, what we're planning or proposing to do is to install the permanent drainage structures on on the right hand turn
from basket onto T-Bore in the coming weeks. Um, we will then increase that turning radius and and most likely use concrete to do that. Um, and complete the snow plow turn line on on the the Fair Life site. Um, we would also go down the road and any large potholes or, you know, where there's significant damage um that that's impacting vehicles at the moment, we would we would temporarily repair that. That would get us through winter. Um, as soon as we can in spring, as as soon as the weather allows and ashfelt plant opens, we will then commence the the the more major repairs being, you know, grinding off the road, reashfelting, and then re re um shaping at the this the storm water sails with with all the signage. So, um, look, we plan to do that as as soon as we can. Um, we think it's about 20 days of work. Um, we plan to maintain access down T-ball road at all times. So it will be done in in stages. We'll maintain a lane um while we do that and and ideally we get that done you know through through April and and May. Um and and we would aim to complete all of that before we apply for a a certificate certificate of occupancy for the site. Um,
and then just on the interim repairs in December, just to reiterate, we would we would replace the permanent storm storm water drainage structures on on that right turn lane. We would place concrete um most likely now that the Ashefelt plant's closed on that on that turn radius. You know, that would make the road suitable um for the for the remainder of winter. Um and then we would um as I said come back in in the in the spring and and complete those works. So in summary I said construction is ramping down. Um we'll we'll enter a quieter period over the next 6 months as as construction activity slows um and commissioning activity carries on before these lines are online and and and moving into production. Um the design for for Tableau Road is is complete. Um all all permits, easements are in place and what we're asking for today is um approval to implement an an interim solution um ahead of a temporary occupancy and to come back in the spring um to complete the permanent solution ahead of um permanent occupancy. Um there's a couple of supporting slides with a bit more detail on the design the
design timeline. Um I won't get into too much detail there. I think it just talks to um you know a number of different people having jurisdiction on that road. Certainly a lot of hoops to jump through. Um we we feel that you know there's been good collaboration with both the town and the county um with with our engineering team. But as I said I think there were nine iterations of the design that were were formally submitted to to get to where we are today. But yeah happy to take um you know any questions on on T-ball road specifically. Well, Josh, you yourself and myself met. We spoke a couple weeks ago. You pretty much know where I stood in it. Um, I don't know why this wasn't done previously on a timely schedule. And instead of waiting till now, I have an issue with this thing being delayed until spring. Number one, you've got five other tenants in that area. that need access. And I know that would happen in the in the spring also. But if you were to if you were to delay this until spring, you would have I'm going to guess more trucks going in and out of
there than you would with a temporary CFO just for the short interim between now and spring.
I don't know how many trucks.
Yeah. 50 trucks maybe, whatever.
Yeah. So, um
Okay. So if that's the case,
let me just I can just share a bit of detail on truck movements. Right.
So from my perspective and looking at the project, we would have seen more truck movement over the last 18 months on those roads every day than we we will for the next 12 months. um based on where we will be in April, like in terms of production volumes, uh we won't see more than 30 milk tankers and inbound and outbound vehicles per day over a 24-hour period. So, we're actually entering what I would say will be a quieter period as it relates to heavy vehicles using T-B Road because construction's ramping down. We're working through commissioning and it won't be until the latter part of next year into 27 where we would get closer to the the total number of trucks expected on site once we're fully ramped up. So yeah, I I think
would you not have more trucks in April than you would in January, February, whatever you're planning to open?
No, I mean the Yeah, sorry. In between January and and April.
Well, if let's say let's say you were going to open
Yeah. In January, you would have x number of trucks. By the time April or May comes along, you're going to have larger volume of vehicles going in and out of there.
Yeah, correct. And that number is trucks. That's why the road should be in before all that traffic starts going through. That's my feeling on it.
Yeah, I think ideally it it would be I think there's a couple of things at play here. The the phasing of construction. We we don't want to build that road until we've got through the heavy construction because it would be damaged. Um it it's a significant investment. The works that we're talking about uh in excess of a million dollars that Fair Life are funding um themselves. So the the timing of that is is really important. The the second part of it is and I you know I think the intent was always to get this done um you know through the the autumn of this year
that the design time frame and I you know I won't go through the detail. As I said, there were nine iterations. The first design got put forward for approval in early December last year. Um, nine iterations involving both the town and the county. It it evolved significantly. Um, that led to the need to get easements. Um, easements for us are not particularly easy. We we have to work with private
I understand all that, but why was this not done prior to to so that it could be done? So you could have put it in, you know, in the resolution when you got approval. That's one of the first things we had on the on the approval for resolution was that TA road had to be completed prior to any CO. It was it's clear as a bell.
Yeah. I'm also just so you were just going through the revision process that you went through, but myar's approval was given September for this when plants were open. Why if all the construction is still mobilized there, why wasn't this road prioritized in September then?
I I don't believe they were given in September. Like we had to
So your PowerPoint presentation has a slide of schedule where it says myars were signed September or October.
The the final easements were filed yesterday. I believe we there were two easements that we had to get. So we can't work on that property without those easements and they were filed throughout October. I think the final one was actually filed yesterday.
My in my opinion, I think this thing should be held off until the road is complete and then a CFO issued. That's I've mentioned this to you. You know where I stood on it when we spoke.
Yeah. I think I mean we're not asking for a certificate a permanent occupancy until this is complete. We've um we're well aware of that. We we can't go for occupancy until all works on site are complete. And as I said, that won't have be happen until spring next year. Um there's just to give you some context to how occupancy in a facility like this works. It's a large facility. It's it's 900,000 square ft. Um it's completed in stages. The the commissioning um of that takes 6 to 12 months. Um and and that's why this process typically happens in phases, right? So we're not sitting here saying we we're not we don't want this to be a condition of occupancy. Um we we we fully agree with that and as I said that that will come towards the end of quarter 2 next year. What we're talking about right now is a specific part of the facility um that we're seeking temporary occupancy for.
I understand what you're saying. And just uh
can I can I ask so
go ahead w
with this uh proposed plan
is there going to be a road closure there that's going to impact the other businesses that are on that road to implement this
the the permanent or so with both the interim and the permanent plan we we we won't be closing the road. We will have to maintain um access down the road, you know, both to our site, leaving our site, and we'll work with with all the businesses along that road to ensure they can still access their premises.
I mean, we're in the middle of like leading up to winter now. How does is there an impact to town and county plowing services to get down there?
Um, so to implement the temporary solution that we're planning on doing. So, that's very focused on the intersection,
right? Um, I I I'm sure we will work with with both the town and the county to make sure that we have the traffic control in place to to get that work done. I I don't think it'll take longer than possibly a week. Um, and it's on on the shoulder. It's it doesn't necessarily close the whole road. Um, but we we have to maintain access down T-ball road um at all times.
Anybody else on the board have any comments or any feeling on this? What? I just don't understand if you're going to be grinding and uh putting in base um in April, what are you doing with the trucks coming in and out? How are they coming in and out?
Yeah. So, it's a it's a dual lane road. Um what we'll do is we'll we'll work on half of the road, one lane.
Um we'll use um traffic control to maintain access on the other lane. Uh so once one half of the road is complete um then we'll switch over and complete the other half. So think of it as a um if you to think of a municipal project you had to close one lane. Um you use like temporary traffic lights or I think flaggers to to um you know maintain that that traffic. So um I think if you look at the the sequencing there's about seven phases. We've got a drawing for each phase which shows which part of the road will be worked on and and how you maintain access to the site.
Does that mean traffic on T-B Road will be backed up with trailer trucks possibly down the 104 while they're coming out of the plants?
I I don't believe that that would be and I we that wouldn't be an acceptable solution either.
Could very well be though. has has Fair Life communicated the intention of doing this in the wintertime to the ex other companies that are on that road.
Yeah, so we've got so two two of the neighbors we we had to work with with easements. Um we've communicated with three others. I think there's one business that we still need to communicate with, but we we have reached out to all of our neighbors now that we've got the plans um finalized. um we've we've gone to them and we've shared um those plans.
I think my biggest concern is just getting a town's truck, you know, plow truck services and county. I'm assuming this is done by town, not county plowing
during a phase where you're pouring concrete and a shoulder and putting in structures. Um, and then also just first responders access to those facilities and to your site. I mean, this is your main point of Ingress and Egress and you're proposing to install do road construction in the wintertime. Um, and you're kind of limiting yourself or potentially impacting first responders uh getting onto your site too while you're doing heavy construction on site.
Yeah, it it's a great point. um you know, we're required to maintain two points of access to our site at all times for for first responders. So, we've got a an entrance on the north, an entrance on the south. Um we we have to maintain access. So, that that's important, you know, for us and I'm sure our neighbors as well. Um so, that that condition will have to be met. um as it relates to these these temporary improvements. Um yeah, fully expect to work through this with with the town to ensure they can, you know, maintain their daily services as it relates to to clearing snow. Um the condition of that that right turn lane as it stands today, I think is a is a problem both for for our neighbors um people using that road. I don't believe it's it's safe. Um, so regardless, you know, we would like to improve what's there today. Um, there's there's also some some storm water structures, some sewer structures, some manholes. Um, right now they're they're not in pavement and we need to get some pavement around those as well. So,
as far as plow trucks going in, I think plow trucks would make the turn the way it stands right now. They've been using it obviously winter time for several years. uh the widening the work on widening it would could be blocked off. I mean I can understand them doing that but the point my point is why are we moving that to that direction to even put those turnar around or widening that shoulder if you feel the road and that's going to be up to you guys to make a decision whether the road should be held off until co is held off until the road is completed as per what the approval was or move forward as a proposed So, David, Derek, Peggy,
well, I'm looking at the plans that they have and I see it's making an improvement so you can get in and out of the site. The road itself is paved right now. It's not an agreeable road, right? It's just a substandard.
Correct. It's it's a it's a paved road um that has dual access. Obviously, over the last two years um with heavy vehicles entering the site for construction, they've been cutting that corner. So that corner um needs to be repaired. I I would suggest um it's it's not in a good state as it stands today. There's a lot of utility infrastructure in that corner um that we need to protect. So you know we you know right now we need to from our perspective and I think all of our neighbors we would really like to improve the condition of that intersection as a starting point.
No definitely need that needs to be done. I I mean I I see the process and I see I I fully understand how long it takes to get easements. Um you're dealing with private property owners obviously
business two years.
Uh it takes a long time to get easements and get them filed and trying to get a hold of people. I understand that whole process and if he went through nine iterations with DOT in 12 months, it's actually pretty impressive and it got done that number of iterations in that time period. Um it's not the final CO that they're asking for. It's just a temporary so that they can start up the initial startup activities. And you have a road that it exists as it is now. you know, it had high construction volumes going up and down it during construction itself. And right now they're just stabilizing the entrance using the best materials that they can get this time of year. I mean, the asphalt plants are closed. They will not open until April.
So then what happens then in April when they do get to put the road in and they've got
multitude of trucks coming.
So what happens on 490 when you're going out to Victor right now? What happens what
when you're driving out 490 to Victor right now? Right now they have it, you know, reduced down the roads.
Exactly what he's talking about. You're you reduce the the traffic lanes. You pave one, you pave the other. It doesn't take
Yeah, but
it doesn't take six weeks to do that for the type of work that they're doing.
I don't know how many trucks, but they're up to like 200 trucks a day in and out of there.
Well, you're trying to paint you're you're painting a situation that has no resolution. And you're saying it's going to be impossible for them to ever pave it.
That's pretty much it. That's why I'm saying it should be done before they get to CO.
Well, it's Yeah, but you can't. The asphalt plants are closed down. They will not open the plants just because you want to pave road.
I understand.
It's shut down.
The only way to do any kind of road work right now is exactly what they're proposing. Stabilize the entrance.
This project is built.
This project has been over two years, Derek.
No, I understand. They had time to get their
I understand and I understand full well that's what they should have been doing.
I understand full well the time.
What is to say? What is to say ultimately if this goes through that this roadway will be put in in the spring.
That's the condition of the certificate of occupancy.
Well, that's what we already did. We already said CO.
We're not giving them CO.
Well, you get temporary CO. temporary so they can start up the facility for initial startup of the process.
Otherwise you have a plant
that is
sitting still.
So, so then if you want
for six months just because you don't think so, so if you don't give them the seal, if you're telling them you can't do anything until the spring,
so what happens over the summertime, they're still going to have to pave all that. It puts it out for literally another six months. My point is though,
I I think this is kind of the best approach
that you could come up with. Understanding the time that it takes to get the approvals, the time it took to go through the process for them to get DOT to sign off on it.
The fact that the asphalt plants are closed down.
Sure.
You can't do anything else. It's just a temporary thing. So, you do startup on the facility and it's not the entire facility. It's only a portion of one of the production lines, which he described it as. So if that's the case then then if they if they were to do it in the spring what would be the timeline for it when you know what would you do then at what time would you suggest they we want to set something a certain date that it has to be done or how how just whatever they're
they have a timeline on here that works the schedule that's put on here is a schedule that works for meeting the their certificate of occupancy requirement. I mean, the plan is to do it in the spring of the year, you know, whenever. But then that's when you've got trucks already coming in. They're going to be lining up on plank on Basket Road.
Well, as described, it's not the significant levels of trucks that you have during full production. It's still a small amount of vehicles compared to the full project that are going to be going in and out of the site because the entire plantation make a motion to approve it. Well, so is there just because we do see some people from the public hearing is this public hearing?
It's not a public hearing. Okay.
Are there any questions from the board?
That's what I'm asking. In fact,
have there has have we gotten feedback from highway from fire from about this modification?
We have we have actually we do. You're right. There's a lot to hear from Andrew Vorren, the fire marshal. In the opinion of the town of Webster fire marshall's office, in the interest of public safety, we feel that the T-R improvement should be completed prior to the issuance of a tech of a temporary CFO. This is mainly because of the impact that will be created uh for not only the Fair Life facility, but the businesses located on Tour Road. There will be far more truck traffic in the spring. That's what we're talking that will be highly congested ingress and egress from the site further delaying response from fire EMS legitimate concern. This is part of the So I guess is is the improvement that he's referring to this temporary one or is he referring to the the complete
original proposed improvement of the road? Because I think the way the applicant's saying is that they would first improve this road and then once it is completed they would be issued a TCO. Actually we've got highway department is also represented here this evening. Do you want to make any comment on this?
You guys have questions I'll answer them.
I'm sorry. You have questions, I'll
Anybody have any questions you want to ask him? Yeah, come up. I'll ask you.
Do you have any concerns with plowing while they're putting in concrete in the shoulder?
This one.
Which one?
This one.
Uh yeah. So, uh if there's any specific questions, right? So, anytime you do constructions, there's impacts to uh what's happening in the roadways. Um it is very very unfortunate that this wasn't able to be done earlier in the season as you guys are kind of alluding to and discussing. Um the actual what is being proposed on the plan being that it's in the shoulder. Um and the nature of the work, it will need to be timed in coordination where it there's not likely that there's going to be a snow event
uh during while they're doing it for multiple reasons, right? It's concrete. It needs to dry. It needs to set up. It needs to harden. You can't do that in rainy or snowy conditions, right? So, there is going to be a timing aspect to doing this this widening. Um, there are some pretty significant potholes and ruting along that radius right now where the manhole covers and different things are. So, it would be an improvement. Um, so we wouldn't allow it to happen. Uh, a lot of this stuff is coordinated through our office and and that's been happening. We wouldn't allow it to happen in a time where it was likely where we would have a storm. That helps our chances of having an issue with it. Obviously, there has to be signage put up to show that it's there. It needs to be coned off, fenced off. So, there's provisions that can be put in place where it doesn't create a dangerous situation for the plowing and operations. Um, the actual biggest concern I have right now is actually the turnaround for the plows. At the other end, there's a easement onto the Fairlife property for a turnaround so that we don't have to turn around in private drives, which we had kind of unfortunately done historically and different things. Um, we've been discussing that for a very, very long time to have that in place and it hasn't been prioritized. So, that is a concern. Um, that's actually a bigger concern than this radius to a certain extent. the radius I think will accommodate
traffic of um a certain amount of operation and it's probably a good thing overall but operationally for the highway department and plowing these roads which we do basket road for the county and then T-our road is is our road um would be that turnaround um so I don't know exactly how the provisions will work or or when the you know the TCO is issued and different things but those are certain things that in my opinion have to be in place before it's even feasible to discuss us.
So P turnaround is beyond the fence area. It's inside the property. Correct.
Yeah. I believe it's approximately 60 by 70 easement. So where the pavement ended before into the property and it it
we we struggled with the spatial things there because all of the site is full of of lots of different things. Ideally, you would have the T-shaped turnaround that you see in our standard uh for different things. This one isn't quite like that. It's all the way to the right and it encompasses their entire drive lane. Um which will take some coordination. I still have some concerns about, but the physical space is there. Right now, that area is stone. Um, and it's got quite a lot of slope to it. We're not able to use it. Um, and then that combined with the construction traffic, the three times we've plowed already this year, there's been significant issues trying to turn around there without having traffic impacts and different things. So, that's why that's actually a bigger concern of mine. I think that what's being proposed here can be accomplished without having major impacts to our operations, especially if weather's considered in the timing, which it has to be this time of year. Uh, having that turnaround established is is my number one priority operationally um in relation to this area. Uh, but Keith and myself have were involved with all the iterations on the plans. Um, to Tony's point, you know, it
is unfortunate we're at this time of year and we're dealing with it. um a component to the design review for this and you mentioned DOT for Tor Road. It it's the town staff that reviews these things technically primarily Keith and then in conjunction with myself. Um because this project uh ended up being a design build organizational project to say there's nine iterations is a little misleading. Um basically the first set of plans we got I would say were about 30%. Right? So you're missing half the sheets. It's very schematic. It's different things. So take into account that those nine iterations started from a 30% plan and went through 60 and and different things of that nature, which is a little different than coming in with a full construction set of plans and having that many comments. Um we were pretty concise with with our comments and pretty direct. There was coordination with the county. the the storm water improvements you see here in green on this sheet. Um that's the county system that that's where our drainage system from T-R enters the county pipe system that they own and maintain and go down through. So the actual configuration of these pipes was dictated by them because that piping system running uh north and south there is theirs. So they have jurisdiction over how that gets designed and put together. So that's the the coordination part that we dealt with. Um,
I guess those are my
Well, that puts a little money on it. I didn't even realize there was a turnaround proposed for, you know, for the trucks inside the property there, too.
Yeah, it's it's a
still have to be done, too, then.
Well, that that's a a pretty critical part because of there's so much traffic in there. Uh, turning around there is is not really simple. So, it really needs to be defined and and fenced and different things. And, um, we've been trying to get that established for a very long time, unfortunately. But, it's construction. and there's a lot of activity there. I understand the challenges, but um we're we're out of time with that. We certainly can't consider um any kind of occupancy or operation without some of these key features being established. Obviously, having the road fully operational would be better um given the timing. It's it there's significant challenges. It it's um it's a tricky one as far as what what the best course is, but I all I can give you is my concerns and and my um thoughts on the process that we've gone through. And I know Keith would be happy to too if you want to hear his part.
It's a it's a tough decision. I mean, nobody's trying to say we don't want you to keep the business going, but on the other side of the coin, there's parameters that had to be done prior to this, and they weren't done. And here we stand now.
Yeah, I think, you know, concerns for traffic in the spring are very real. Uh the the truck traffic here is going to be major.
Um I also do think though that those impacts are going to be felt equally by Fairlife, by their operations, right? So any slowdown, any bottlenecking of traffic is going to affect their logistics and their ability to operate the plant. You know, I I think that might be something that helps to make sure that it, you know, they're going the extra mile to make sure it doesn't happen, right? So, if there's traffic on this road, it's not good for anybody, right? It's bad for our residents. It's bad for our for a construction group, but it's also very, very bad for the plant because they won't be able to get what they need in a timely fashion. And the speed that this thing seems like it's going to work doesn't take long to create a real problem. So, uh the two-lane approach, doing one lane and then the other one is definitely the right way to do it. alternating traffic will have some impacts. Um, you know, hopefully we'll be able to coordinate, get some advanced warning out on on some of the roads. Um, like we typically do for our major highway projects with some of those signs that say, you know, expect delays, things of that nature. It gives people that might be going a certain way the option to avoid the area and the intersection while there's construction. So, we can probably implement some of those things when we um when we do it, but there is a couple of key features that have to happen now. uh even if some of the stuff that goes in is temporary. Um
like I said, the turning radius here I think is can be accomplished, but it's not actually my biggest concern. So,
okay,
Peggy, Derek, anybody in
what sounds like there's a the key takeaway I got was the T turnaround. What's the status of that from Fairley's perspective on getting that established?
Yeah, it's a good point. So, the last bullet point on on the slide is to install that permanent snowplow um turnaround. So, we I I fully agree with with Pat. Um we don't expect a TCO without that completed. Um it it's they were out there today looking at it. the weather's isn't in our favor, but it's like it's the next bit of pavement to go in. Is that snow? That's
what are you putting down since he
That's concrete. So, it's a it's the permanent solution for for for Pat's team. Um we plan on getting that done in the next
What is it you're putting?
Uh
concrete.
Yeah, concrete.
Oh, you're putting concrete down.
Yeah, concrete's the only thing we can use at this this time of year. So, um
so this represents a te turnaround will be in place by the end of next week.
Usable the week after. That's the plan. I think it's got a 7-day cure time on on the concrete, but um and we're not asking for a TCO until that's in place. So, I fully appreciate that condition.
So, come springtime, is this being then removed, the interim improvement plan?
Um yes, it would be. The the plan has got is ashfelt. So, if we put concrete down now um on that shoulder, we would remove that concrete in the spring and then replace it with ashfelt. Um I think you know we we had said Ashefeld. Um we we've just been working on the Basket Road Highway 104 turn lane. That was a big priority for us and where we we threw a lot of energy and resources. Um we we managed to get the Ashefell plant to open for a day to to complete that bit of work which is now largely complete. Um so we're hoping to try and time some of it. It didn't quite work out with with the weather. So um it it's most likely going to be concrete.
Okay. Let's get off of dead center here. Somebody want to make a motion to move forward. Um
I would give a motion to to move forward as presented. Uh it does seem to you know especially knowing the turnaround for the snow plow is something that is going to be um fixed next week.
And it can we add any conditions to that?
Uh such as well. So I was thinking
put a time of when you want to have it you know for a length of time like spring what's going to happen
go back go back to the schedule that you have
so here's the schedule subject to following the schedule as presented
yeah show how long the turnaround's going to take
right that's what I don't see
yeah if you go back one side it says week 12
but how how many days is that going to take
um it It typically would take three or four days to to do the form work. The concrete's pour in one day. Um and then there's typically like a 5 to 7 day cure time of of concrete. So it might be like 2 weeks. Um
so the other conditions I had was coordination approval with highway supervisor um for time frame that the work is to be performed and that the turnaround is established prior to the work being performed. coordination with the fire marshall for when the work is being performed so that the fire marshall is aware since there was a concern that was written to us about this and that notification of existing business owners with a work schedule at least a week before the work occurs so that they can notify their employees that this is going to be occurring.
You putting that into a motion or
it's part of the motion.
It's part of the motion.
Okay. Are you okay? Is that going to be your motion then for it?
Yes.
Okay, then we need a second.
Second.
I have a second. We'll call roll.
Mr. Gassic.
I
Mr. Anderson.
Hi.
Mr. Kosel.
Hi.
Mrs. Maltman.
Hi.
Mr. Jardino.
Hi.
Mr. Malta.
Hi.
Mr. Kashani.
No. And now my reason is because in the spring I visualize this as being a clip of traffic all the way up Basket Road, right with trucks coming trying to get in there with only one lane going to be accessible for ingress and egress. It is going to be an issue. So that's my reason for the no vote.
Okay, I guess you're all set.
Thanks. Appreciate everyone's time this evening.
Okay, that was it. Was it?
No, we need passage of the October 7 meeting minutes. I make a motion to approve the October 7th meeting minutes.
Okay, I'll second.
All in favor?
Anyone opposed?
Um I I see you folks were here. It wasn't a public hearing, but you are neighbors apparently.
Did Did somebody want to say something? I don't I mean all right. All we'd ask is just just go up to the microphone and and just give us your name for the record.
I'm Lisa Beetle. We live at 642 Basket Road. We haven't been getting responses. We've had concerns and we're not really getting the responses that we want from Fairlife. Um, they did install the right turn lane, but if you've noticed, if anybody's been down there, they put in a bike lane in between the turn lane and the straight lane or the, you know, make the left turn. That seems ludicrous. There's only a given amount on that right turn lane that they did made. Why they put a bike lane in between? Very questionable. what was the purpose of this? Um, as far as the right, we agree with them in that we need that easement there for them to make that turn and everything. The only thing we're concerned about is there are tractors, you know those um big car haulers um that already go down T-board and when they come down they go into the opposite oncoming lane to make that turn. What we're concerned with is giving a temporary CFO. Now you see that they
want to start ramping up in Q1 for at least one production line. And he said what 30, 40 tankers in, out, all that. We have one car hauler. It's a danger because he's going on to incoming traffic. Our suggestion is just holding that CFO, the temporary CFO until they can get that done because whether it's one tank or truck or 30 and car haulers, you're going on to incoming traffic to make that turn. We we have no problem with wanting that, you know, and they've secured all that land to do it. It's just that we're really scared. one tanker is a or one uh car hauler is a danger. Now add in 30 a day and we understand it's going to have to happen at some point. I mean it's going to hold up traffic which we understand that. I mean that that's a given. Um, the other thing that we're concerned about is last night, I know you don't know all about these kind of things, but we want the town to know. Um, 11:00 last night,
there was um this lovely noise going on coming from there. Now, you're saying that most of the construction has been completed. all this. We would love to know what this part is right here. And I will play it for you.
I don't know if you can hear it.
Can you hear it?
The ticking. Is it a ticking noise?
Loud bang. Rattled windows. 11:00 at night.
Was there a light with it? Like a flash of light?
No.
Okay. for another story.
Yeah, that's what I was wondering if it was that.
11:00 at night.
Okay. Well, that's that's good enough. We got the message there.
So, we'd like to understand why they're still doing this at 11:00 at night. Um the other thing was that we've been trying to contact with them is we were promised um BM and trees. There's been no contact made. We didn't get them this year. Um what is their plan? I know in your plan you say landscaping, but I think that's for your pretty your pro your plan, not for our backyards, right? They took out way too much,
right? They took out more land than what they said originally. How many feet did they originally say? 100 ft that they would leave of the trees
and they ended up taking everything right to the creek. We can see I mean our backyards, we could see everything there.
So, we would like some answers about that. I mean, I don't know how else to get through to anybody else. Does anybody have any idea who we go? Do we go to a town board meeting and bring these things up?
I don't know. Would that be necessary? Could do that, I suppose. But right now, have you heard of this stuff before, Josh? Are you aware of any of this?
Um, we have been receiving inquiries about strange noises in the area. Um,
the animals go crazy, the dogs and everything.
They all just start barking. Mhm.
And then the lighting we were promised was going to be kept low or tilted down. Our backyards get lit up. They go right into our windows to sleep at night is horrendous. Between the trees all being taken out.
Okay. Would they be would they be lights that or construction lights on on the site or
No, they're all on the building.
They're on the building and they're supposed to be cast down. The turning lane um for basket is so short that it holds two tractor trailer trucks. What's going to happen after that? You you're we're going to be backed up like you wouldn't believe.
Can I suggest something? You know what
that there was going to be a road?
There's nothing nothing we can do about it here right now. But you know what I would suggest you guys do is why don't you come up with your your concerns, put it in a letter form and give it to the town and have the town address that right right through fair life.
Same thing with the noise. You can send that via
put it into a letter form. Then you give it to the town. Then the town can have the building inspector address these things with them directly. because the lights were supposed to be down, but they're not supposed to be out under the sun.
Yeah.
So, that that probably be the best way. We can't do anything about it here.
And just one other thing, in the beginning of this project, we were told that no no tractors were going to make lefts onto Basket Road. that Bolter Industrial Parkway, the trucks were to go straight, land was going to be acquired over on Salt Road and all tractors would be pointed into that direction.
That's an issue. They're still working on that though. That's something still I don't know too much about it, Josh. We don't need to get into it, but it is in the process.
I'm assuming that's not going to go through.
Yes, it will eventually
someday, but not
not today.
Right. Well, not when they are starting. Not prior to them ramping
opening up. Correct.
Okay. And then one more thing.
All right. Put these things. Look at again. I want to say it. Put them into a letter form. You were giving You're giving them to us. There's nothing we can do about it. So
yeah, we're at a loss though because
put into a letter form and give it to the town.
Okay.
Give it to the town. Give it to Josh.
Give it to Yes. Our office. Okay. Yes.
Okay. Thank you so much, guys. Sure enough. Thank you. Good luck with it, folks. Everything will work out one day. All right. I'm sure.
I mean, we we're happy to have Fair Life come to
But we just wanted some of the promises that they made right from the beginning
to be held accountable for.
Okay. Look, I think you got the answer to it now.
Yeah. And we definitely agree with you about, you know, you had two years to fix the turn for the plow truck to turn or the turn length and now it's pitch time for them.
You had two years.
Yeah.
To see a vote supposed to do.
Well, we'll see what happens with it. Well, thanks for coming in, folks. Appreciate your comments.
All right. Anything else? We got the minutes done.
Yep.
Okay. Yeah, I guess. Oh,
I'm on the I'm
telling him we all need to write him a letter of recommendation. Tony letter recommendation from
All right, with that we'll uh close the