Minutes

WEBSTER ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS MINUTES

Michael Short

Corrine Volo

Dan Lagoner

Chris Centola

James Spampinato

John DeMarco, Attorney

Katherine Kolich, Recording Secretary

Josh Artuso, Director of Community Development

Erika Corsi, Junior Planner of Community Development

14, 2025. We currently have three items on today’s agenda and for public comment period. We

will be limiting public comments to 5 minutes. I have proof of publication in the Webster Herald

for all items.

Josh Artuso is going to be talking about adjustments and changes we have for our presentations

moving forward.

format to our meetings starting tonight. We are going to be conducting a power point

presentation in which the town staff will present portions of the application and then the

applicant will be responsible for presenting additional information specific to their application

and then will turn it over to the board for discussion. So, bear with us as we are working through

this new format for the first time, but we will indicate when it is your time to speak, So, with

that, F will turn it over to Erika.

964 Ridge Road, Bill Grays signage. (READING THE FIRST PAGE OUTLOUD)

Going over RELEVANT SECTIONS OF TOWN ORDINANCE (READS OUTLOUD)

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Summary of Application Outcomes

SCHEDULED MATTERS

:

HEGEDORN’S PLAZA SIGN

Monument sign to be a maximum of 10’ in height

GARAGE REMOVAL/POLE BARN

SITE PLAN APPROVAL

BRAMAN NATURE PRESERVE SIGN

requesting an AREA VARIANCES to allow:

(3) single-faced building mounted facade signs where only (1) is permitted

¢ A total of 380 SQFT of building mounted signage which exceeds 10% of the

tenant space fagade (maximum allowed is 294 SQFT)

* (1) 15’ tall monument sign for the plaza where the maximum height allowed

is 6’

associated with the new Bill Grays Tap Room and redevelopment of the former Hegedorn’s

site on a 6.68-acre parcel having SBL# 079.15-1-1.1 located in an HC High Intensity

Commercial District under Section 265-7 of the Code of the Town of Webster.

Appearing before the board was Jim Gray with Bill Grays Restaurants, Direct of Facilities for the

company. We are proposing the three and will start with the monument sign first. The initial

proposal was for 15 feet, and we met with the Planning Board last week and we broughi that

down to 10 feet from their recommendations and for their approval. We are just trying to stay in

line with the rest of the...some of the other monument signs that are on and around that area.

The corer of Ridge and Hard and the Target Plaza is also similar size and one on Hard Road by

the White Water Plaza entrance there that goes into BJs so that is kind of where we are with that

one and then the building itself, we proposed all three of those and all three of them have all been

part of our brand and we have multiple examples of that. Our Bill Grays in Ontario and actually,

our Bill Grays in Webster has all those and minus the tap room. It has the home of the world’s

greatest cheeseburger, and the Bill Grays signs, and we have three on that building as well and

then multiple site businesses, they also have three signs on these buildings as well and some

more. We are just looking to......we are pretty proud of what we are doing in that plaza and

redeveloping it, and we just want to make sure that the building is......... the center of that

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building shows are restaurant and also, we split for all of our tap rooms we generally split our

restaurant side and our tap rooms side anyway, so we always try to designate both of those as

separate. So, that is another reason why we are applying for that.

copies of the proposed 10 foot sign if the board would like to see them. (SEE ATTACHED)

HANDED COPIES TO THE BOARD.

sign.

consider.

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Irondequoit, the tap room there and I also went to the tap room out in Ontario. The both have

road signs and the one in Irondequoit had....is significantly less signage as far as all in one place

and even in Ontario the signage just appeared less. ] understand the need to have the tap room

entrance separate from the Bill Grays entrance but is there a way to incorporate, say like the Bill

Grays on the tower over the restaurant door with worlds greatest cheeseburger just to reduce the

number of signs because you are asking for two more than technically than are permitted. Just

curious as to why.

umbrella that basically the two are....we have two different tenant spaces basically because

originally, we developed the site as...there are two towers on there already so to keep in line

with the symmetry of that as well we have the one sign for the restaurant and the one side for the

tap room and then obviously the arching. The theme is Bill Grays in the center and that is kind

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of what our mind set and also for the fact that it’s the main tenant for the plaza itself. We own

and it’s kind of like we are the feature tenant of the space. Then again, the one in Irondequoit and

I understand there is less signage on it but it’s also a much smaller location and I believe the

square footage of that place is 7,000 sq feet and the new tap room, the new proposed site here for

that building is 15,000 sq feet and it also doesn’t have a tap room as well. Like Seabreeze is a

good example of that as well, if you go down there.

location in Webster doesn’t have a tap room. It has all that stuff. ..it doesn’t have a tap room

sign on it but it has 3 signs on the building on the south side of the building is Bill Grays and

home of the greatest cheeseburger because the home of the worlds greatest cheeseburger has

been a brand, like it’s part of our signage for awhile now and Ontario being one of our oldest

locations and Webster has been here forever and we have it at our Henrietta location as well and

I think there is one more that I had on here and I was looking it up this morning, yes, Seabreeze

has that as well on the southside of the building as well oh sorry, the westside.

greatest cheese burger is part of our signage for the years and again, we are using that specific

spot to designate the restaurant side and the tap side as well and then Bill Grays in the middle.

fagade of ...........c eee (APPLICANT SPEAKING OVER)

will be at the very far end of the tower, north end tower, whenever it comes in it would be

basically as the Webster Wine & Spirits. We would probably do one facing the east side of the

building on the plaza face and then one probably facing north over facing north, the hotel and

that.

what you guys do, and it has been on the signs forever, but it is not the name of a building and

not the name of a business. It is an advertisement and that to me, could be put in a window

rather than up on a 10 x 10 sign.

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buildings for forever. I understand what you are saying but my counterpoint is just everything I

discussed before.

for signage.

there anyone who would like to speak for or against the project.

in November we brought in a 3-D sign that showed the same facade with the same signage and

that was basically approved as long as we dropped that monument sign down to 10 feet so the

signage on that fagade is nothing new and what they are trying to do is really, they like to keep

family orientated on the Bill Grays side and more of the tap room on the tap room side and home

of the worlds cheeseburger, is Bill Grays.

approved. When was that...

had to present here.

of Appeals which is where you are now. So, while the site plan was approved the sign size and

location were not given any variances at that meeting.

but it does talk about reducing the pylon sign to 10 foot. When all the owners were here, and

they agreed to do that at that point and time.

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here.

words, during the course of the presentation this evening, the staff went through a number of

different pages, and I don’t know if they went through all the pages or not and obviously one of

the benefits doing it electronically is that the town is not printing out 24 pages and putting them

in our files so, have you flashed through all of them on our respective screens this evening or

only choice selections based on the narrative that was occurring.

presentation.

applicants application. So, the application that is submitted to us that is presented to you all on

the board is put into this power point, so you have seen.

provided to the board members through conventional means.

commercial district, that is public knowledge ............

also part of that 40 some odd paperwork that each board received.

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electronically.

TOO MANY PEOPLE SPEAKING AT ONCE. THE CONVERSATION WAS DIRECTED TO

ERIKA.

community that we are not seeing anything that is not reflected in the record.

Rich Mastin and I am Vice President of Bill Grays. We met with the Planning Board on three

separate occasions, Two in this format and one in a work study format. Josh, I am not sure if

you were there or not, but we were in this room in a U shaped discussion and there were three

key points that the Planning Board pointed out to us that we wanted to work together with the

town on. One was the side walk, what side of the road it was going to go on and I had suggested

to the town that we would be willing to put the sidewalk in on the east side of Hard Road

because of the challenges that the contractors would have with putting in a sidewalk with the

underground piping and the flow of the land, how it was graded down. There were some

concerns with the pitch and the second concern was the dumpster area on Ridge Road and that

we needed to have that properly secured with concrete walls and it was to be gated closed, and

we agreed not to have 18 wheelers delivering or pickups off of Ridge Road. So, we are installing

a brand new loading dock on the far west of the building around the back and that and that is

where the large tractor trailers are going to come in. The third concern we had, and the town had

was the signage and we agreed to do everything that the town had....the Planning Board had

asked us to do with the sidewalk, the loading dock, the parking as we should, and we had asked

for here is out presentation for the signage package that we need for this building to make

ourselves knows that this is now the Bill Grays plaza not the Hegadorns plaza. Bill Gray and

Bruce Hegadorn both since have passed, Mary Hegadorn passed last night. They were partners

back in the 60’s and we made an offer to the Hegadorn Family Partnership, Bill Grays to

purchase the property and we would re-develop it and kind of keep it in the family because a Jot

of the Hegadorn family members are also owners of the Bill Grays. Getting back to the world’s

greatest cheeseburger, as Jim mentioned to all of you, that is our identity for all those people that

come to the Town of Webster, for all the sporting events and using the hotels, have no idea what

Bill Grays is. They truly don’t. Years ago, we approved the town and asked for a variance to

put home of the worlds greatest cheeseburger on the south side of the existing building. We have

done that and other locations because we are finding the same thing that Rochester is a great

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community for all different types of events and people need to know outside of this market what

Bill Grays is. If you are not from this area and you come to Webster, what’s Bill Grays? I don’t

know, it could be a book store, it could be anything. It doesn’t say its Bill Grays restaurants it’s

Bill Grays. Yes, it says Bill Grays tap room, but Bill Grays is in small print, and home of the

greatest cheeseburger was trademark back in the last 80’s early 90’s and we are proud of that

designation because that is who we are. We are about cheeseburgers, kids meals, fish dinners,

and custard, that is our product and we in courage the board to please consider our request for the

three signs on the building. We are willing to reduce our monument sign and even though there

are others that have larger with possibly fewer tenants at least fewer tenants on their sign. We

requested 15 and we are willing to go down 10 feet but please, give us our three signs so we can

do our best to re-pay back what we need to pay back in this project. As Charlie, our general

contractor, every time he puts the shovel in the ground, it’s a new surprise and a new surprise

does not come at a cost of a hundred dollars, it’s 10°s of thousands and we are really looking to

try and bring something great to the community by having Bill Grays. I don’t know if you have

all been in the new liquor store, Sherry and John Gonzalez (Sherry Hegadorn) and it’s beautiful

from what they had. I think it’s six times it’s size. We are going to do the same thing with Bill

Grays. When you come in it is going to be amazing and then with the next tenant on the end and

then what ever we do for Don and Rick Waring below when we redevelop their space. Please

take it under serious consideration, we are not asking for a lot, this is a simple thing and

hopefully you will grant us that approval. Thank you for your time.

now....(LAUGHTER) before the presentation.

cheeseburgers and the milkshakes...(LAUGHTER) being on a Tuesday it will be great plates.

(LAUGHTER) Thank you again.

Zoning Board there is a picture of the Bill Grays with all of the signs across the front, not just

this slice so that it gives us the perspective of the whole building. Is that possible to pull up.

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looking at all of the towners and the entire length of the building the perspective is different.

BOARD HAVING DISCUSSIONS AMOUNGT THEMSELVES

additional sign. Is that correct.

HAVING CONVERSATIONS) and it’s only going to be on the tower off the north face and the

east face.

and Spirits, the Bill Grays package and then one sign at the very end.

or is there actually something there.

application submitted a full view of the entire front of the plaza and the context of the signage.

world’s greatest cheeseburger and the tap room the same.

10. Corrine Volo: Thank you.

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9. Jim Gray: So, I feel like that would create like....a 10 x 10, Webster Wine & Spirits is already a

10 x 10 sign and that would create a...it wouldn’t be uniform across the whole front of the

building.

bring you down within the allowable square footage for your frontage and the Food Mart could

go back up to 10 x 10 and then you would have symmetry on both ends and a little smaller in the

middle.

gaining and I don’t know what we are loosing by having the 3 signs there and I do know that it

doesn’t meet current zoning code. From my perspective Iam not seeing....what I’m seeing, I

see 4 signs, one for each tenant if you will, tap room and the cheeseburger location is your tenant

locations and ultimately, I understand Bill Grays is the restaurant but in this instance jt is also the

Bill Gray’s plaza essentially if you will to a certain degree . I understand the request , but I don’t

know what we gain out of it losing a foot other than it will end up conforming to the square

footage requirement. I don’t know if we are really gaining much.

EVERYONE SPEAKING AT THE SAME TIME.

professionals could have offered that before they even came here tonight so for what ever reason,

that is the size that they want, they are asking for the variance and if for whatever reason they

were not to get it, they could go ahead as he suggested and make them smaller and put them up

tomorrow. Well, get their permits and put them up tomorrow if they wanted to so I think I

understand what he is saying and from they have always had that opportunity

but for whatever reason they have chosen to apply for the variance, and we should based on the

sign size that they gave us.

mind answering his question. I don’t know if you already answered his question, would you guys

consider it.

like to continue to try and work towards having the square footage that we have on the building.

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Spirits on the corner and then you have Bill Grays and then you have room for....after the tap

room... future

10. Jim Gray: Correct.

for long stretches of fagade, there is a whole lot more signage and there is a whole lot more

tenants. There are many more signs in the plaza across the street in the same relative length just

based on there are more businesses but it’s excessive as far as the number of signs is what is

permitted per code but based on the number of signs for the length of that building, I don’t know

that it looks out of place. It kind of balances itself.

would like to vote on SEQR.

RESOLUTION 25-0001 Michael Short made a motion to TYPE Hl SEQR

which was seconded by: Chris Centola.

VOTE:

Mr. Short AYE

Mrs. Volo AYE

Mr. Lagoner AYE

Mr. Spampinato AYE

Mr. Centola AYE

within the staff notes before we do findings or....

monument sign per Zoning Board meeting tonight at 10 feet.

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meeting.

There will not be an undesirable changes to the essential character of the neighborhood or the

development. While there are other remedies based on the building design and the existing size

that is there the proposed signage is in character and creates a more coherent and adhesive facade

along all road access side of the building. It is not a substantial request. There are no detrimental

physical or environmental impact conditions or actions because of this request and while it is self-

created once again based on the design of the building and the design which is there now, I think

it is a good remedy and works well with the building.

have to do the monument sign as well?

resolutions, one for each sign. Building sign vs monument.

FROM THE MIC)

1. There will not be a detriment created to nearby properties: It will not create detriment for

the neighborhood. The other monument signs in the area are either at this height or slightly

taller. The BJ’s sign looks to be approximately 10 feet as well and there are signs at the

plaza across the street that are less than 10 feet but the are also plaza signs across the street

are greater than 10 feet, so it is certainly not out of character with the neighborhood.

2. The benefit is not achievable by any. other method: No other remedy. The application

originally requested a 15 foot sign height and has agreed to reduce it to 10 feet which is a

significantly less impact, so they have actually improved upon the request.

3. There are no adverse physical or environmental impacts to the site or neighborhood: There

are none.

4. The difficulty is not self-created: While it is self-created the monument sign is permitted

and also really is required in order to identify the businesses that are in the plaza for traffic

and direction of traffic. ] do also want to note, that you also agreed to include the address

on the sign which is.........Thank you! It’s for safety.

or visual impact anywhere else in the area so,

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RESOLUTION 25-0002 Michael Short made a motion to

APPROVED BILL GRAYS SIGNAGE

Located at 964 Ridge Road. Applicant

Charles P. Kelly is requesting an AREA

VARIANCES to allow:

* (3) single-faced building mounted facade

signs where only (1) is permitted

* A total of 380 SQFT of building mounted

signage which exceeds 10% of the tenant

space fagade (maximum allowed is 294

SQFT)

¢ (1) LOFT tall monument sign for the plaza

with the address on it where the maximum

height allowed is 6’associated with the new

Bill Grays Tap Room and redevelopment of

the former Hegedorn’s site on a 6.68-acre

parcel having SBL# 079. 15-1-1.1 located in

an HC High Intensity Commercial District

under Section 265-7 of the Code of the

Town of Webster which was seconded by:

Corrine Volo.

VOTE:

Mr. Short AYE

Mrs. Volo AYE

Mr. Lagoner AYE

Mr. Spampinato AYE

Mr. Centola AYE

CONDITIONS:

e The applicant must obtain all necessary governmental permits, including a Town

Building Permit.

e That one-year significant construction shall expire January 14, 2026.

GARAGE REMOVAL/ NEW POLE BARN: Located at 580 Bay Road. Applicant Jack Burke

is requesting AREA VARIANCES to allow a 20’ rear setback where 50’ is required, and to

allow the overall size to exceed 2% of the lot size, associated with the construction of a new

2,100 SQFT pole barn on a 1.20-acre parcel having SBL# 063.101-1-89 located in an R-3 Single

Family Residential District under Section 350-12 and Section 350-36 of the Code of the Town of

Webster.

4 if you will and replace it with a 2100 sq ft pole barn and the pool barn will be attached to the

existing chicken coop.

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Appearing before the board was Suzanne Dutro and I lived at 580 Bay Road for 21 Years, this

year. It is the old Lorman Farm /Miller Farm, so a lot of people know it. So, I have been a proud

steward of a property in Webster, and it is a registered historic property. So, we are looking to

demolish the existing structure which was built much, much later than the house and the stone

house which Erika referred to the chicken coop. It did house chickens, pigs, and milk at one

time. Looking to build a pole barn where the garage is now that would probably more in

keeping with what is there. The garage that was built there does not accommodate vehicles.

We have never been able to put our cars in there so often when you drive by my house it looks

like I am having a party and it’s just because we are home. So, I do have a partially home based

business where we will be acquiring a truck this year and I would like to have a place to park

the truck, so the neighbors are not looking at a truck or a parking lot full of cars which are just

my kids and family so looking to house all that in that structure there as well as storage for us.

slide regarding: CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. If you want to go through this

and the samples that you provided us. It provides you the opportunity to discuss more in depth

with the board and I will go through the slides as you go.

Bay Road so we are really not attached....we are attached to but not directly to the homes that

are behind us so it’s more in keeping with farm feel of Webster as you go down Bay Road you

can pick out farms. So, those are the ones that were relating to and that it’s not out of keeping

with that. There are other properties that you show here where they do have structures that are

closer to the property line. It’s unique in that it’s not a neighborhood so it’s in keeping with the

farm field of Webster which I really have enjoyed, and you can see them as you go down Bay

Road as you make that drive down towards the lake. That’s what we are looking to do is really

clean up the property and make it more in keeping with he original structure and some of these

houses have nicer examples (VIEWING THE SLIDES ON THE SCREEN)

In terms of alternates, it’s what we really need it’s just we need a bigger structure to

accommodate our needs. One of the benefits I feel is that next to the existing structure there is a

garden that came with the house that is stone, and it is quite high maintenance, and I am sure

my neighbors will very much appreciate us kind of cleaning up that area and having it be a nicer

view of what little view they have because you can’t see much of it. We are looking to

completely obscure the view where if you drive down DeRio which is the side street that runs

near. We are planning on planting trees so they will be able to see trees and they will see a

clean structure that looks like it’s part of a farm house rather than what they seen now which is

kind of a run down garage that was built much later and a garden that we do not care to keep so

it will be a better view and then from the road you will see what looks like part of the farm

house.

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So, in terms of size to accommodate our needs it really needs to kind of take up that space and

what we have now is oddly shaped and does not work for us.

cars because currently you don’t have the ability to park your cars in the garage but then you

indicated a business vehicle. Can you elaborate a little bit more on that aspect and I guess at the

end of the day, I have a 30 x 70 barn on my property, it’s a big structure, it’s massive. If I had

to guess, I could probably get probably close to 16 cars in my barn. So, a 30 x 70 barn, it’s not 2

cars it’s not 2 cars and a vehicle and a truck. So, talk to me for the reason for something that

large. I guess it’s really what I am trying to understand.

that will be in additional vehicle on the property, and we have guests coming and it looks like a

parking lot so as many vehicles as we can fit would be helpful. It is also meant for overflow

storage and a creative space for me. So, it is a decorating business so we do utilize storage in

Webster at UHAUL so it would be overflow storage, but it would also be a work space that

would be enjoyed by me, so it is partially for my enjoyment as well to have a bigger space to

accommodate all that. My thought process was the next steward of the property is probably

going to be someone who is going to need that type of a structure as well so I am looking for the

longevity of the property as well because I am thinking of the historic nature of it and I would

at least like to bring that piece of it to a point where it could be enjoyed by the next family down

the road because for us it would function and I’m an old house person but it just doesn’t

function you need that space. It’s kind of dead space on the property to. It’s an oddly shaped

area on the property and we would be bumping into where the garden is, and it just makes more

sense,

is in an R-3 and I don’t know if try and look at the code what is allowed and what is not

allowed.

business is not functioning there we function in the field. I didn’t want to get the confused. So,

it’s not a facility for the business but it would be helpful to me personally to have a creative

space to work on that and have some overflow because we just don’t have enough storage in

general on the property. There is no attic. It’s really limited storage wise. So, that is part of it.

So, I don’t want it to get confused and I was even hesitant to even bring up the business piece of

it because it isn’t a facility for the business, but the work truck would come home with me and

that’s part of it.

personal car and then we three other drivers as well with cars.

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be parked at the residential property. So, if I did my math right, it’s 6 vehicles would be parked

at the property or....

the one work vehicle, the Subaru which is a work vehicle; your personal and the other person.

That is what I recall you saying.

SOMEONE FROM THE AUDIENCE SPEAKING AND I CAN NOT HEAR.

and they are not registered as commercial vehicles. It’s a small SUV used for the business. So,

I have 2 cars that I use.

It’s a big structure and I am trying to understand the use of the structure. We have had other

people come in and ask for a pole barn and as we are having conversations with them, we come

to find out what the use is and then it brings up other questions and concerns. The intent is all

of those vehicles would be...so the intent is not all those vehicles would be parked inside there

because when the kids are home, I guess, they are coming and going right, would be my guess.

understand different times of the day with work and everything else but in general, 4 vehicles

will be parked in the pole barn itself.

because it’s an old house basement which I am sure you are familiar with. Which is a little

different than a newer home where you cans safely and happily put things in the basement and

no attic. It’s an old house with limited closet space so there is very little storage of really

unkind on the property.

an attic.

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one side and it looks like two man doors and a hand full of windows. Just going off of typical,

roughly 50 feet of that 70 feet would be taken up by vehicles. Would you say that that is about

accurate plus or minus between 40 and 50 feet.

storage, etc.

house.

was struggling with the offsets and what they were saying. Can someone tell me what they say.

It was really tiny in my packet.

if I remember correctly or is it off the rear property line to the building.

BOARD MEMBERS SPEAKING OUT

of the proposed building and to the northside setback because we have too small of a copy.

SOMEONE FROM THE AUDIENCE STEPPED UP TO THE MIC: to the northside is 26.5

feet and to the rear would be 40.8. AUDIENCE MEMBER APPROACHES THE BOARD

WITH MEASUREMENTS.

the existing front of the existing garage is which aligns with the existing stone building and then

it’s a 40.8 off the rear setback so that’s a 10 foot or a little less than 10 feet variance that you are

asking for and then 26 feet off the north property line which I believe is a 15 foot requirement.

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where 50 feet is required.

current building and it’s roughly 35 feet in depth and J double that, my current setback is 65 feet

so that leaves me with 25 feet setback to the rear property line if the building is truly 75 feet

deep.

BOARD MEMBERS SPEAKING WHILE APPLICANT IS. HARD TO HEAR.

porch and we have a 200 year old oak tree that we don’t really want to mess with the root

structure because it is older than the house. If we pull forward, it is going to be tighter with

parking because it is very narrow...unless we start cutting trees which we don’t want to do

because they are old beautiful trees.

if we have the rear distance that is what you are going to be tasked with keeping so if you ask

for a 20 foot setback and based on this it’s

25. Michael Short: And based on the drawings it’s 40 . So, right now we have 3 different

dimensions I guess from my perspective I would like to see a

33.3 and you’d be doubling that so it you add another 35 feet, and the setback is 65 feet, do the

math, 35 from 65.

30. So, we just want to make sure.

APPLICANT

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BOARD MEMBERS ALL TALKING AT THE SAME TIME.

default, and I apologize for the confusion. The size of the structure would be coming from the

same place as exactly what you just said.

professional, so I understand. We just want to make sure we get it right, so it doesn’t impact

you further down the road.

but they don’t have the dimension of the pole barn itself on here, so they did get it drafted up

and they did...so it ends up being....so that’s where the 20 feet is. So, Josh back to...you are

correct . If it is 70 feet which you guys are saying is a 70 foot pole barn, it’s a 20 foot variance.

BOARD MEMBERS HAVING DISCUSSION.

structures to separate your garage from your storage area, work space area.

heating all of it or none of it.

necessarily the whole structure. So, it would probably be the back portion.

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I will open it up to the public. Is there anyone who would like to speak for or against the

project. No, ok, I will bring it back to the board for any final discussions.

RESOLUTION 25-0003 Michael Short made a motion to TYPE II SEQR

which was seconded by: Dan Lagoner

VOTE:

Mr. Short AYE

Mrs. Volo AYE

Mr. Lagoner AYE

Mr. Spampinato AYE

Mr. Centola AYE

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This request is not out of character in the neighborhood: So, this request, it’s not our of

character for the neighborhood. The property is on Bay Road and is a fairly large road and

the structure that is presented to us is a gable barn style that is being presented and is

associated with an older historic house, farm house on the property. So, it is not out of

character for the area, and it is also well hidden by mature vegetation.

There will not be a detriment created to nearby properties: Again, because of the vegetation

around the perimeter of this property and the mature vegetation as well as additional 20

feet off the rear property line. This will not be a detriment to nearby properties.

The benefit is not achievable by any other method: This is really due to the need for storage

that is not available inside the house and the current garage that is not large enough to

house the applicants vehicles for the building or for themselves. Other locations on the

property would have affected some of the old growth or the mature vegetation.

hidden view from nearby neighbors.

There are no adverse physical or environmental impacts to the site or neighborhood: None

unreasonable for this day and age.

This is not an undesirable change:

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8. This request is not significant: There are other properties with structures, similar type

structures on their property. Does anyone else want to add anything.

any sewer, and you are never going to convert this to living space.

aware of this, have you talked to them. (Mrs. Volo, postcards and signage is put out, everyone

would have known)

of the property and one of the neighbors really won’t see it and they are brand new, so I have not

even met them and have seen them there or be able to catch the. One of the other neighbors I

believe is in a nursing home and she’s not there, but it will be, I would think, a tremendous

improvement of her view which I am happy about because she is very meticulous with her yard

and I think she will enjoy a better view because what she is looking at now is a weedy garden

and a dilapidated garage so this is going to be neat and clean and I would think, a much better

view for them. Although I would have liked to discuss that with them with the holidays and the

efficiency of getting on the schedule and I was out of town so but I’m hoping their very happy

about it because I think it will be nice and it’s one eye sore on the property is really is that

structure and brings everything else down and it was like that when I bought it and we tried

everything to make it look good and it just really needs to be redone.

property or this building, correct.

facility for a business.

RESOLUTION 25-0004 Michael Short made a motion to APPROVED

Road. Applicant Jack Burke is requesting AREA

VARIANCES to allow a 20’ rear setback where

50’ is required, and to allow the overall size to

exceed 2% of the lot size, associated with the

construction of a new 2,100 SQFT pole barn on a

1.20-acre parcel having SBL# 063.101-1-89 located

in an R-3 Single Family Residential District under

Section 350-12 and Section 350-36 of the Code of

the Town of Webster which was seconded by: Chris

Centola.

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VOTE:

Mr. Short AYE

Mrs. Volo AYE

Mr. Lagoner AYE

Mr. Spampinato AYE

Mr. Centola AYE

CONDITIONS:

e The applicant must obtain all necessary governmental permits, including a Town

Building Permit.

That one-year significant construction shall expire January 14, 2026.

No to be used for commercial use or living space.

No water or sanitary should be connected to the building.

Oakes with Costich Engineering is requesting an AREA VARIANCE to allow a 2’ setback from

the right of way, where 25’ is required associated with the instillation of a 42 SQFT double sided

monument sign on a 71-acre parcel having SBL# 081.01-231 located in an LL Large Lot Single

Family Residential District under Section 265-4 of the Code of the Town of Webster.

SCREEN. (SEE ATTACHED)

Appearing before the board was Emma Oakes and I am a Project Manager at Costich

Engineering. I am here representing the Genesee Land Trust for one of their nature preserves in

Webster, the Ave and Harman Braman Nature Preserve, and it is located at 1775 Ridge Road.

Over the last few years, they have been able to make some improvements to the site to improve

access for visitors. They have worked with NY State DOT; the town Planning Board to get a

_ parking lot and a driveway apron put in. Now here, they are looking to install an identification

sign being in nature preserve, there are a lot of trees on the property and a lot of trees that my

client would like to maintain. So, we are looking for relief locating the sign closer to the right

of way in order to maintain the existing vegetation on the site but also increase the visibility for

visitors, passer byes; emergency vehicles to be able to find the property and properly identify

the property in case of an emergency or just to visit.

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will be any adverse impacts to the character of the neighborhood here and we are maintaining

the existing vegetation so there will be buffers on both the west and east side of the property, so

those neighbors won’t really be able to see the sign when they are on their property. There is a

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of the year. They have some pretty dense existing deciduous trees that have low canopy, low

and wide canopy and I don’t think that they will be able to see this sign from their business

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Just west, down Ridge Road from this property. It looks like it’s an historic sign, but it is either

on the right of way line or right close to the right of way line.

SLIDE...ALTERNATES CONSIDERED. We have considered a bunch of alternate locations

for this sign. A lot of them include tearing down the existing vegetation and those big nice

mature trees that of course my client would like to maintain if we were to situate the sign and

meet the setback requirement. It would actually put the sign on the south side of the existing

parking lot in the woods and you wouldn’t be able to see it from the road.

MOVING ONTO THE NEXT SLIDE....SUBSTANTIALITY. We don’t fee! that this is a

substantial request. There is no lighting on the sign. It’s natural colors, it’s green and the sign

frame itself will be made of wood so there is nothing flashy about the sign at all.

MOVING ONTO THE NEXT SLIDE...IMPACTS ON ENVIRONMENT, We don’t feel that

there is any adverse impacts on the environment here. Really, the only disturbance on the site

would be when the post holes are dug to install the post for the sign. No significant

construction; no adverse impacts to drainage and actually will improve traffic and circulation to

and from the site.

MOVING ONTO THE NEXT SLIDE....SELF-CREATED DIFFICULTY. We don’t feel this

was self-created and we are really responding to the existing conditions on the site as best that

we can by not impacting the vegetation here; by increasing visibility to the site. I will also add

that we coordinated with NY State DOT, and we originally wanted the sign to be as close to the

road as possible for better visibility and they indicated that that was not possible to located

within their right of way. So, we pushed the sign further south onto our property and we also

sort of played around with which side of the driveway do we put the sign and going back to the

DOT comment we felt that if we put the sign on the east side of the driveway apron it would

impact or clutter the view shed with some of the DOT existing signs over on the side of the

driveway so we really feel the west side of the driveway is the best spot for this.

nature preserve that has one of the signs installed so you can see what it will look like. EMMA

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the 4 x 4 would be the 6 foot.

frankly, I didn’t even realize that there was a nature preserve there and the same with the

parking area until I drove by it. There is a grade change though from the road to where you are

proposing. A couple of feet, 2 feet.

different town parks just to see what we did because I know the town has it’s requirements as

far as signs and monument signs for businesses and offices and whatever, I was trying to see

what the town actually did and I found signs where, actually, the Gasnell sign is

probably, location wise from the right of way and the edge of the road, right about where this

sign would be. The Vosberg Natural Trail was a little bit further back; the Herman Road sign

was back in the parking lot and very difficult to see unless you knew it was there and was

looking for it. Anyway, there are signs within the Webster Parks system that are...look very

much like this only the colors are different and location wise, were similar and then once | did

find the parking lot, which took me a few passes past it, I tried to figure out the line of site from

where the sign is. Is it going to be setback from the front of the fence or in line.

was pulling out which was my bigger concern is that is a busy stretch of road, but I certainly

don’t want anyone getting clobbered coming out. Anyway, there are town park signs similarly

located.

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understand the reason why especially with the DOT signs there. Driving from the west to the

east, you still are not going to see that sign because of the trees.

it, they will probably prune some of those canopies.

to put one at the trail head as well because as of right now, it’s a parking lot and nobody knows

what it is. Putting the sign up is a great idea because it allows people to know what is there.

Any other questions, NO. I will open it up to the public and seeing that there is no public here,

I will bring it back to the board for final discussion.

the right curb cut so signage would definitely help if they want to encourage more people to use

it and obvisioyly it’s an amenity that people will use it a lot more once they know it’s there.

RESOLUTION 25-0005 Michael Short made a motion TYPE II SEQR which

was seconded by: Chris Centola

VOTE:

Mr. Short AYE

Mrs. Volo AYE

Mr. Lagoner AYE

Mr. Spampinato AYE

Mr. Centola AYE

The application is such as submitted will not present an undesirable change in the character of the

neighborhood it’s in. While there are other remedies it would involve clearing trees which make

part of the site worth walking and going to so in that respect, there weren’t any reasonable remedies

that would work. It’s not a substantial request as far as a variance goes; there are no adverse effects

or physical or environmental to the existing conditions on site. While it is self-created, I believe

the trade off for putting it where you located it as opposed to clear cutting 3 or 4 trees is more than

worth the variance allowed.

parking lot so it’s not a safety issue.

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RESOLUTION 25-0006 Michael Short made a motion for AREA

VARIANCE Located at 1775 Ridge Road.

Applicant Emma Oakes with Costich Engineering is

requesting an AREA VARIANCE to allow a 2’

setback from the right of way, where 25’ is required

associated with the instillation of a 42 SQFT double

sided monument sign on a 71-acre parcel having

SBL# 081.01-231 located in an LL Large Lot Single

Family Residential District under Section 265-4 of

the Code of the Town of Webster which was

seconded by: Chris Centola.

VOTE:

Mr. Short AYE

Mrs. Volo AYE

Mr. Lagoner AYE

Mr. Spampinato AYE

Mr. Centola AYE

CONDITIONS:

¢ The applicant must obtain all necessary governmental permits, including a Town

Building Permit.

That one-year significant construction shall expire January 14, 2026

Proceed to the Planning Board.

The sign will be no taller than 72 inches and will contain 2 hanging eye hook signs.

One for that indicates Genesee Land Trust and their logo and Eva and Harland

Nature Preserve.

ADMINISTRATIVE ITEM:

e Minutes were approved for November 19, 2024 (VOLO/SHORT) and December 10,

2024 (VOLO/LAGONER)

e Since there is no further applications before the Board Michael Short adjourned tonight's

meeting at 8:30 p.m.

Qa ne ee SR DAR

Corrine Volo, Secretary

Katherine Kolich, Recording Secretary

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