WEBSTER ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS MINUTES
Webster Town Board Meeting Building 1002 Ridge Road
June 11, 2024
7:00 pm
ABSENT:
Michael Short
Corrine Volo
Dan Lagoner
Donald Hauza
Chris Centola
James Spampinato
John DeMarco, Attorney
Katherine Kolich, Recording Secretary
Josh Artuso, Director of Community Development
Good evening and welcome to the Zoning Board Appeals meeting for June 12,
2024, We have a total of 2 tabled matters that we are going to be reviewing today and |
scheduled for today. We have and not that today, hopefully is going to take too long but we do
reserve the right at 10:00 pm to table any remaining matters and I am hoping we don’t go that
long today. Additionally, there is a 5-minute limit to comment for any particular item. I do have
proof of publication for al! items.
Call Roll
Pledge of Allegiance
Summary of Application Outcomes
TABLED MATTERS
:
671 WILLOW LANE-ACCESSORY STRUCTURE
Bryan Bishchoping
APPROVED 5’ (NORTH) SIDE SETBACK & 43.4’ (EAST) FRONT SETBACK W/
CONDITIONS:
© APPLICANT TO OBTAIN PLANNING BOARD APPROVAL
e 1-YEAR MEANINGFUL CONSTRUCTION
¢ MUST OBTAIN BUILDING PERMIT
1246 STAFFORD CRESCENT-GARAGE ADDITION
Bob Peters
APPROVED AS PRESENTED:
¢ 9 (WEST) SIDE SETBACK & 46 (SOUTH) FRONT SETBACK
e 1LYEAR MEANINGFUL CONSTRUCTION
« MUST OBTAIN BUILDING PERMIT
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SCHEDULED MATTERS
:
46 LAKE ROAD-VARIANCES
Raymond C. Nannini
APPROVED AS PRESENTED:
4.5’ (EAST & WEST) SIDE SETBACKS
35’ (SOUTH) FRONT SETBACK
MUST OBTAIN BUILDING PERMIT
1-YEAR MEANINGFUL CONSTRUCTION
(Corrine Volo read the first application)
671 WILLOW LANE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE: Located at 671 Willow Lane. Applicant
Bryan Bishchoping is requesting AREA VARIANCES to allow a side setback less than what is
required and to allow the placement of the accessory structure to be nearer to the front property
line than the rear line of the main residence associated the construction of a 500 SF detached
wood-framed structure on a 0.46-acre parcel having SBL # 065.13-2-11 located in an R-3
Single Family Residential District under Sections 350-12 and 350-36 of the Code of the Town
of Webster.
Appearing before the board was Adam Cummings (NEVER STATED HIS NAME) So, the
graphic that is up there is a depiction of the 3 alternatives. It is tough to point to it but the upper
right most, a little to the right, is where the application stands and then the board did ask us to
identify where the power lines were; the swing distance; and the height of those so the actual
measurement on there, on that piece of paper is 4 ft 11 in and that is what we measured in terms
of the swing it would do so that gives us the buffer and then the board asked us to look at 2 other
alternatives of either keeping the 5 ft and pushing it back as far as we could to avoid those wires
and that is with the building sliding back and that pushes it back about 17.5 feet and likewise we
looked at it as eliminating the side setback and pushing it 15 feet off of the lot line but of course
because of the diagonal electrical wires, that is why it is pushed a little forward towards Willow
Lane. So, I hope that addresses the request from the board and there should be a photo that went
along with this.
It is tougher to see this one . It is from the road but. Right after the meeting we did go out and
stack that out and were measured of all three locations and he color coded the ribbons. So,
hopefully everyone got the chance to go out and see it. Obviously, it does not depict the height,
bul we are just looking at the area of placement for each of those alternatives.
Can you go to the previous graphic. So, looking at this, the original option
required side and front setback; Option | also required side and front setback but further back
from the front of the house obviously; Option 2 on here would only require the front setback
variance, would NOT require the side setback, correct?
Correct.
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[ did get a chance to go out there and thank you for staking that out, it was very
helpful. What this graphic doesn’t show but the photo does show is that there is a fairly mature
maple tree, yes right there. (PICTURE CHANGED ON THE SCREEN) which is 5 ft +/- into
option one so that maple tree, if you decide to go with option 1 or if that didn’t or considered,
that maple tree would have to be removed to accommodate that and I believe depending on my
conversations, there are concerns with some of the other options as well.
That is correct. The concern and one of the main reasons, or another reason
why, Brian would like to have that pushed up. It’s not only electric wires as we discussed at this
last meeting, it was estimated to be around $7500.00 dollars to relocated the telecommunication
wires and the electric so that the building could be code compliant and put in the back but in
addition to that, you would have $4500.00 dollars to take down that tree. It is his last tree, and it
does provide some shade to the neighbors but even pushing it back further you worry about the
root structure that might be down there so having a buffer off of that would definitely help to
keep that alive.
Do you have a preferred option?
Well of course (LAUGHTER) the preferred one is the application as it came
in. (CHRIS CENTOLA SPEAKING AT THE SAME TIME) to minimize and understand that
and I know we are trying to keep it brief here, I do have a presentation here if the board wants it.
Where we will call out some of the things that we are looking for and just to help you document
your decision making and your finding statement of ...it you want it, } can hand it to you. Iam
not sure if it is sufficient or not but just to go through a couple of them. The preferred one would
be the one 5 foot off the property line just to keep it up on that side to put it towards that
hedgerow that is in there but maybe not putting it as far up to the front face or the front plane,
yes, right there (VIEWING ON THE PLANS) but pushing it back so kind of a blending between
the preferred location and the furthest back one so maybe splitting the difference between those
and moving it back. Brian, you can speak to that better. How far back would you be willing or
interested in minimizing this variance to pushing it back towards the front.
(NEEDS TO BE CLOSER TO MIC AND SPEAKING LOUDER) So, the
distance from the proposed location to the tree right now is almost exactly 9 feet so I would be
willing to go 3 back and give that 6-foot buffer for any limbs coming down or anything like that,
it is a maple tree, and they are not nice to structures. If it were a pine tree, I would have a
different feeling.
Have you completely exhausted the thought of using an attached garage to the
existing building?
This is definitely the preferred INAUDIBLE (NOT USING THE MIC)
Preferred but the other is definitely an option?
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It is more costly and yes, it is a lot more expensive. INAUDIBLE (NOT
USING THE MIC)
Costly with respect to moving the powerlines or construction itself?
Construction
To clarify that sir, by the town code, he is allowed to have an accessory
structure, we are just talking about the variances. It’s a good question that he should entertain
especially on the economics of it, but he is permitted a shed and an accessory structure, so I just
want to point out that clarification.
He is permitted that and obviously you want to comply with the code, (BOTH
PARTIES SPEAKING AT THE SAME TIME) asking for relief
Right.
Thank you.
Good clarification. So, to be clear, even to Bryan is that would be a
permanent structure that he would have the additional cost of relocating a tree and the electric
wires.
In the neighborhood are there any other or similar structures, two-story?
So, In terms of two stories I didn’t research that but in terms of accessory
structures, I did research that out and the 403-unit house zone that you just out and given last
month, there is actually 135 accessory structures and just around the corner I did see a detached
structure 13:13 that was, and I don’t have the square footage, nor do I have the height but once
again, it is relative to that house roofline. It was their garage that is detached and that would
count as an accessory structure so there is one around the corner that is similar to it. Once again,
it’s not necessarily the height that I am reporting or a two story but it’s the match of the ridgeline
of the house that is there.
Will this structure have enough space to store everything that is outside currently?
Can you get to the mic so we can hear you,
What is....
Like the tractors, the trailers, anything...
So, the boat can fit. The garage door has been sized so the boat can fit inside;
the tractor can fit inside; the snow mobiles can fit inside. So, between that and the attached
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garage of my house, the car can go inside the attached garage at the house. So, the snowmobile
trailer does not fit inside. That can stay in the driveway.
And I think he said last month that his goal was to take some of his
grandparents belongings that were in the basement and start relocating those for some other
storage instead of the basement. Is that correct?
Yes
The man door, the overhead door and ] don’t know if it’s a window or a sliding
glass door on the second floor based on the imagine that I] am looking at, those are all proposed
to be facing the street.
So, facing Willow Lane would be a garage door; a man door; and that is the
second-floor access for larger items. The door is not necessarily set in stone on the front. If I
have enough room in the back, by keeping the structure closer to Willow Lane than | can move
that door to the back of the structure and put a window up front. So, the drawing is preliminary,
it’s until I have an exact of where I can place the building, I won’t know exactly what the layout
is.
Michael} Short: So that is another door on top, is what that is for a larger items to go in and out,
essentially.
Correct.
Ok, any other questions from the board?
NO
Alright, 1 am going to open it up to the public. Does anyone here want to speak
for or against this project? As a reminder, we have a 5-minute limitation.
Jane Armantrout at 670 Willow Lane: (NEVER STATED HER NAME OR ADDRESS) At the last
meeting this issue was tabled when it came to, should we vote tonight or should be table it and
Bryan would provide answers for some of the design and how it would be constructed; would it
match the siding on his house so that things would look right. What is being proposed here
fonight puts me in the position of looking at Bryans house; his attached garage, the aging and
deteriorating airstream and then there will be a small patch of land, maybe, if that is not where
the doghouse goes and then we are going to have this big structure and I am going to look at 2
garage doors and aman door, Two garages, a rose by any other name, it's not so sweet, isn’t
allowed in code, in my neighborhood. I ask you to take the person NOT SEEKING A VARIANCE
wanting to go and be in compliance with the town code to deal with that, As 1 spoke with Mr.
Artuso last week some time, I could live with the aging camper being gone, which looks junkier
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looking by the moment and no proof of license that he was asked to provide several years ago. If
that was removed; [f the building that he was requesting was rotated 45 degrees so that so that
the entrance is garage door and man door were facing his house and that the exterior of the
utility building be compatible with the rest of the neighborhood. It is a well-developed, mature
suburb and to start this, it shows no respect for the nature of property that I bought and not
seeking to have a huge structure. I apologize for not having something in print, | have not felt
well for several days but do you hear what I am saying? Do you have any questions?
I don’t. Does anyone else have any questions?
Jane Armantrout at 670 Willow Lane: So, it would be those two contingencies that I would wish
like I said so that he deals with his driveway doors that way and...or another thing is, if he could
move his trailers behind the house. There is room for that. Thank you very much and I
appreciate your courtesy through this process.
Thank you.
Josh, what is the code....there are no issues with respect to the trailer?
Town code allows the recreational vehicle to be parked in the side yard and one in
the rear yard and one in the front yard in the driveway.
Was there some reference to licensing and registration? Is there any requirement
in the code on that?
Not to my knowledge.
I didn’t think so.
Anymore questions from the board? Oh, public session is still open. Is there
anyone who wants to speak for or against the property?
Jim Balliet at 1278 Millcreek Run: which is the adjoining property with Bryans. I just want to
clarify our position. Bryan has shared all the changes and all the things he has gone through for
variances. He has communicated everything with us as he went along from our perspective, we
see them as iniprovements to even taken care of the drainage between the houses and that and it
was a good plan because it helped us as well. As far as from our perspective where we are,
everybody has there structure in the backyard for putting things in, so we look at this as more of
the same. It does not present a problem for us on our side of the fence and just in 2009, we put a
shed in our yard and the requirement was 15 feet from the property line. I wish we had that back
to 5 feet where we hoped it would be because that would help us a lot. Lam sure that would help
Bryan with his options as well, but we want fo portray our support or no objections to what he is
doing.
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Thank you. Any more public comments for or against the project?
We did receive comment on-line and ] don’t know if you would like me to read
that. (READ THE SUBMISSION OUT LOUD-SEE ATTACHED)
With that, the public portion is closed and will bring it back to the board. Any
other questions from the board.
All the board members that voted today were present at the previous meeting.
I was not.
Have you reviewed the minutes or gone through?
Yes, I have.
And you are fully up to speed?
Yes
So, we are good to go.
Anymore questions or comments from the board?
I know it was helpful for me to visit the property with the multiple locations
staked out. A. because looking at the survey map doesn’t give you the location of the trees and
the wires in real times as opposed to the straight line of the wire. Um and it gave me a much
better feel for the impact of the size and location of the building with respect to all of the
contiguous neighbors on that property so thank you, I do appreciate the applicant and his
Engineer in going through that work for us because it did certainly help my perspective. Um, I
am not sure as far as location yet. I could see advantages to the existing location; I could see
advantages to bringing it in 15 feet from the setback except I know we asked the applicant to
consider eliminated the one variance by bringing it in 15 feet, the downside of that is now that 1
have pulled it out of the hedgerow it is much more visible which didn’t....J mean, I kind of knew
it but didn’t see it until it was actually physically INAUDIBLE.
Even in this photo here, ] mean you look at the light stakes right in front of you
and half of that building is inside the hedgerow. Grant it that hedgerow will probably be cut back
to a certain degree, but the black stakes are right out in the open and the white and the red are
about halfway into that hedgerow, so I am of the same opinion. The zoning code allows the
height of the structure; the zoning codes allows the square footage of the structure. Realistically
we are looking at the location. There are wires in the back that are preventing this from truly
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fitting in that particular location due to the wires and that is eliminating one of the variance
requirements. It puts a big structure very visible.
It is going to be visible regardless if it is 5-15 off. It’s not like the hedgerow......
What remains of it is going to be redirecting your eyesight there. I think it works better from my
point with a 5-foot setback into the hedgerow. My concern is like you said, it’s allowed but it’s
the relief he is seeking but if we were to vote on it | would rather see it be as close to matching
the exterior of the existing house as possible as far as the look, not exactly the same material but
giving it a much more residential took as a two story accessory structure can have which would
....try and match the shingles, the gutters on it and even if you have to put some fake esthetics on
it. I don’t care if it’s a real window on it, just something that breaks up this model, slab of a
fagade besides the door and my concern is that that is overreaching our ability as a board to
dictate architectural. So, that’s my concern. Just like I said, if the board were to entertain it, I
would like to see it be as aesthetically pleasing as possible and I think it also doesn’t.......... we
have no power to do anything about the other issues that some of the residents may feel are
occurring on the site. Obviously, there are photos and whether we approve this or not there is
still going to be that same issue. So, the way I see it is, we can’t, I can’t really look at that
as...unless they are all going to be in this accessory structure, it really doesn’t matter because
they have a right to keep those. Unless, like I said...... Josh said the code, it needs to be licensed
or something like that and if it doesn’t then, why INAUDIBLE one more thing to add to that
very busy side yard right now.
One thing that I think the applicant expressed to us is there is a um...material, I
guess | will call it, there is quite a bit in that side yard with the old shed that is kind of....very
old, it has seen better days but that would be coming out and that side area would get cleaned up,
if I’m still understanding correctly so it would....I] think the building would neaten the overal!
appearance. The camper is still going to be there, you are allowed to have a camper but if it gets
some of the other, miscellaneous items out of sight, I think it benefits both the applicant and the
neighbors.
| agree but there are certain things that we don’t have any control over.
So, you can’t have what the code allows you to have.
Including and up to a 500 sq fl accessory structure.
That is unless the applicant consents.
Does that also apply to architectural?
You may not be able to condition it, they may want to sweeten the pot.
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The problem I am having is the 2 story. You have a 500 sq ft footprint, 2 story,
1000 sq ft that is larger than a bunch of houses. You essentially have 2 home size structures on
that lot. 1 am just having a problem with the 2 story.
Josh, does the code prohibit the number of floors or the square footage is the foot
print it is not the floor square footage, correct.
Correct.
It can not be higher than the main structure.
And there is a limit, and it cannot exceed 20 feet in height.
And that is not to the ridge, that is to the midpoint.
That is the average.
So, it’s going to be another 3-4 feet in height.
BOARD MEMBERS HAVING A DISCUSSION.
So again, unfortunately, the height is dictated by the..................... half acre, I
think that these are half acre plots in the neighborhood and having an accessory structure 500
square feet, that is 22 feet tall, if I understand it. Any other comments?
With respect to some of the esthetics that the board has discussed, is there
anything that the applicant wants to comment upon as to what they are willing or not willing to
do. Strictly voluntary, it doesn’t have to be a requirement of your presentation, but the
comments made by the board 1 do not want to not allow you to comment as that is something
that you are in agreement to do or not in agreement to do.
So, like I said before, the drawings that I provided are preliminary. I don’t a
final, this is exactly what it’s going to look like because of location. Obviously, I can swing
doors, a second-floor door I can swing that to the back and put a window there that is actually
going to....... currently I was planning on the back, but I could flip flop those, I just don’t...... I
can’t make that decision.
What about the materials? The appearance of the building, the board has talked
about consistent with the exterior look of the home. Is that something that you are willing to
stipulate to Or ...........,
The exterior of the home is.............
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Let me just finish. Is that something you are willing to stipulate or something
that you would rather leave outside the application.
So, because the exterior of the existing home is going to most likely going to
be upgraded not at the same times as the structure but....
I don’t mean to cut you off, it’s kind of a yes or no question.
APPLICANTS BOTH SPEAKING AT THE SAME TIME. (BRIAN AND ADAM)
They may not match as the exact same time because he may build this first
with the color scheme that he wants and then invest in resurfacing the fagade of the existing
structure.
If I may add to that, the concern is that it is going to be a metal pole barn looking
structure that does not fit within the residential neighborhood. Are you willing to utilize material
and design esthetics that provide a residential look to new structure that would compliment the
residential neighborhood that you are in.
I haven’t looked at any surfaces that are available right now. I know the
general idea of what I am looking for not as far as the finish but how I want the building to be
constructed | guess...for insulation and for....
What is the siding going to be?
I don’t know. Currently, my house has metal siding.
(NOT AT THE MIC) So, what I think they are getting at is, your not putting
in an industrial style metal siding, metal roof pole barn. The architectural idea that Mr. Lossin
put together is that it would be constructed of some kind of materials, metal studs, what ever it is,
it will be residential in the neighborhood or character and then be constructed in that fashion.
Not industrial looking or premanufactured but rather..........
Again, ] don’t have a finished look to the structure.
| think the answer is no. It is pretty clear to me.
I understand that you don’t have materia! selected, | guess are you amenable to
COMMIULUNG tO... eee ee eee
residential type materials similar to those found in the neighborhood now.
I don’t know what those are but,.....
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You live in the neighborhood, is there going to be siding and if there is going to
be siding are you going to have metal siding on it?
I don’t know.
CHRIS CENTOLA AND MR. DEMARCO SPEAKING.
Alright, I currently have at my residence a 20 x 24 accessory structure, it has 2
garage doors, and it also has windows; it is sided the same as the house; roofed with the same
shingles as the house. So, when you drive by it doesn’t stand out as a hot red metal pole barn. It
is a grey and white building that looks just like the house next door, just like the house on the
same property. Can you make it look it belongs in the neighborhood where it has some softer
design features or are you planning on putting a stee! pole barn which I guess technically are
allowed to accept that there is no location on your lot that complies but would look much more
industrial at less welcoming than a residential neighborhood.
Yes, I am looking......definitely looking for an obviously metal roof but if
...maybe the metal shingles. So again, 1 don’t know what the product is but yes, I am looking to
have the house and the barn eventually match. So, yes, the two are going to eventually match
but currently the house is a faded green.
Right and I understand, the house is faded and needs......
So yes, they are going to complement each other.
Let me ask this question, | am not saying that this would occur but if it did occur,
what happens if it gets put up and we give the variance, and it moves forward and then it ends up
being meta!?
Well, I don’t even now that 1 want to stipulate not metal because there are metal
buildings that are attractive.
Metal roofs are total acceptable. So, it’s...
I will say Industrial and something that doesn’t compliment the residential
neighborhood.
If it were on it’s own it would stick out like a sore thumb because it doesn’t match
the existing characteristics of the general surrounding area and not even looking at materials as
much as the look. I mean, that is what I think we are looking at. If it is metal and it looks good.
i ain not opposed to metal Iam opposed to INAUDIBLE everyone speaking! T-111 1 would be
opposed to. So that is my concerns is that if we are going to approve any of the relief, he has
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requested it has to really, really fit in with that neighborhood for me to feel comfortable to vote
for something like that.
INAUDIBLE
If that is your point of view then you should ask for an architectural drawing of
that because perception, what you are receiving and what they are describing is maybe different
what I am perceiving,
| agree but lack of the applicant providing any more information this evening, I
don’t know what to do.
Well, and ] would be reluctant, as a homeowner, | would be reluctant to hire
somebody to design a building for me without having an approval. Um, | think the applicant has
stated that the upstairs door can go on the back and then you can soften the front with J don’t
know, a pair of windows or something um, I mean a garage door and a man door is not out of
character but the upstairs door | definitely want to see in back just because otherwise it looks
more barn like and while there used to be old farms, it’s not anymore.
Is there an estimate of cost?
No.
BOARD TALKING AMOUNGST THEMSELVES
Josh, I have a question with respect to Planning Board approval because I think
maybe we are beating a horse dead twice. The Planning Board has to review any accessory
structure in excessive of 500 square feet. If it is 2 story building, I technically have a 1000
square feet of floor space. Do they look at....does the code reflect floor space or does the code
reflect area. Because { know | had to go to the Planning Board for mine which is slightly smaller
than this.
Yes, traditionally it is the footprint of the structure that is calculated. Um, I will say
if this was one square foot larger, it would go before the Planning Board, and they would require
that you provide the materials. They actually require that you bring in samples of the material
SO...
Isn’t that going to be a complete component of the cost of the structure?
I’m sorry, the cost?
The cost of the structure is a requirement under the code.
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In terms of providing...
For the building permit...
Well, yes for building permit...
And for our approval here.
It is a field on our application, and it was left blank.
| think under the code, it’s required, is it not. B4 right? And what is the cost of
the structure?
It was estimated at 20,000.
And the estimate is an aggregate of what components? Materials?
Material and labor.
And what is the material?
The wood, installation, start to finish.
Does that include the siding for the building?
Yes.
So, I guess I am confused.
I didn’t pick it out, I....
You are telling me in one hand you don’t know what it is going to be, made of or
how it is going to look but yet you have an estimate that covers the price.
(NOT AT THE MIC) So usually INAUDIBLE order in magnitude where it
could be vinyl siding, it could be aluminum siding, could be..........
Right and if the board wants the itemized estimate, you don’t have it right?
Correct.
But you need to have it.
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We need to have a total cost of it, yes.
Well, I guess it’s up to the board to decide whether it is just an aggregate
number, or they will want to see the content so and the board could take the position tonight that
the application is not complete and agree to table it. Maybe by that time your applicant might
have some more concrete answers as to what the building might look like and at that point the
board may be a little more comfortable.
(NOT AT THE MIC) So to back track a little bit, on where this is going
because my friend is more on the industrial side, he is INAUDIBLE at the metal siding part
because there is horizontal...
What I am saying is...is he an electrician?
Yes
His answers seem a little ambiguous for a guy in the construction trait as to this
stage of the process, not know what this building is going to look like when he knows the
applicants neighbors want to know, it’s not a big ask or a heavy lift for a guy in the business. It
just doesn’t seem like he is being genuine about it .
(NOT USING THE MIC) I can’t speak to that one but
I am just telling you what I am hearing that’s all. If he said he was, you know, a
baker making cupcakes and doesn’t know anything about construction I guess I would by it. It
sounds a little invasive to me and he doesn’t have that part of the application complete, so he is
asking us to make a leap, but he doesn’t want to help us.
(NOT USING THE MIC) I gotcha so, he is looking for the variance first
before he can finally......because you did hire an architect to put those concepts together, right?
Just to give us a footprint and general layout. I have not gone the next step
further to get all the specs from him.
So, to put a question mark on here, what type of roof is on your building right
now? On your house.
It’s a gable roof.
I wanted to see if he could answer it. So, he has a gable roof that this
structure could match that with a gable roof just facing it perpendicular ......
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But ] understand you are asking us for a variance that yes, it’s a location or site
variance so it makes it a lot easier for us to grant that variance when the questions we are asking
have answers to them. I understand that you have not taken it to the next step right, it’s a leap of
faith on your part to pay an architect to select materials to get a quote to continue to go down that
path without having the variance but it’s also a leap of faith for us then to grant a variance not
knowing any of that information either and at the end of the day that is the crossroads that we are
at. We want to help you to a certain degree, but we also want our answers to be able to say, yes
you know what, it’s not going to negatively affect the aesthetic looks of the neighborhood, it’s
not going to have any adverse effects but the questions my colleagues and I, the board members
and I are asking, you don’t have the answers to right now and we get where you’re at we need
those answers to make a decision.
[..... honestly think it would need to go before the Planning Board so we can
determine the location, but | think the Planning Board would have to approve the design. When
I get assessed on the square footage of my house, it counts the upstairs and the downstairs and |
pay taxes on the whole thing, so I think the code calls for 500 square feet or more and this is
technically going to be a 1000 square feet because it is a 2-story building. Which then, that gives
the applicant the approval for their variance and a location and then allows them to work with an
architect to get the actual design because now they know they have permission to place the
building and then can work that information out. The code says square feet and if it is a 2-story
building, it is more than 500 square feet.
I understand but Josh said it is based on area not footprint.
Well, that’s how...
But it doesn’t specify that.
Right, it is not specified in the code.
And I know I had to go before the Planning Board for mine which would be.
Let me ask a question, is the applicant or will (he applicant consent to taking this
to the Planning Board for a determination per the Planning Board code.
(NOT USING THE MIC) So, I am confused on this because, we have been
guided by the town that it is 500 square feet or less and it doesn’t require those steps.
I am not saying that the code has......so this is what I said earlier, the applicant
can consent to do things, or we can get into a legal tug of war. It could make you do something
that you don’t think; you can sue the town, here’s what I am saying, at the end of the day I have
to assume that the applicant, all things being even wants to be a good neighbor and there are
some neighbors that are in agreement with the way it stands and there are other neighbors that
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really are not opposing the structure but where it is positioned and how it looks. In an effort to
gel thal right not only for the applicant but the neighbors, legal requirements aside, is the
applicant willing to go to the Planning Board to get their input and approval. If you say no,
that’s fine but this board can do whatever it decides to do. I am just asking.
Adam Cummings; I will voice a concern, the applicant has because he is new to this part even
though he has built things throughout the state, is the procedure to get this type of application has
been cumbersome. There has been mis publication dates, so he is losing time this whole time
and the same time he is getting written up by the Building Department for having things in his
yard, so he is trying to rectify that but at the same time he is getting strung along month after
month but I ............
Pardon me, does anyone on this board object to reviewing their architectural
drawings for what they are proposing?
He has not submitted architectural drawings.
Well, I understand but should go to the Planning Board he would need to provide
that. Does any member of this Zoning Board have an objections of making that review and do
you fee] comfortable in making that review?
(NOT USING THE MIC) Real quick, I would like to ask a question...Josh,
what is the cost threshold for a structure to need architectural plans? Isn’t there a dollar amount
or square footage amount?
20,000 dollars is the dollar amount.
Ok. So, in all likely hood if this cost escalates because of material selection
and things like that, | think it would behoove you to go to the Planning Board (HE IS
SPEAKING TO THE APPLICANT) and get there input and get through that but it’s up to you.
(NOT USING THE MIC) If that is the proper procedure, than yeah.
But at the same time on this procedure, ] just want to hone this one in, I want
to make sure if we come back for the variances here, we are here to talk about variances, area
variances and the height that is allowed; the square footage is allowed. This is just putting il to
the Planning Board just for a review side of it. To be honest, I feel like we are going beyond the
scope of the variances that are being tied to this land INAUIDBLE.......
Yes and no, at the end of the day we have to take into account a lot different
components for a variance and the size of the building; esthetics of the neighborhood; all of that
we have to take into account. We get to say yes, you are getling a variance or no you are not
getting a variance based on the information that is provided. There is a lot of information that we
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don’t have. We have asked a lot of questions that we don’t have answers to, so I understand
what you are saying, its about the variance . We are here to give you or not give you a variance,
but we need information to be able to do that. So, I understand where you are coming from
again, | also read the code and it says 500 square feet in area. To me that is not the footprint that
is the building size. That is my opinion. It sounds like Bryan what I heard you say, is that you are
open to going forward with the Planning Board to get the Planning Boards approval...I
apologize, is it Planning Board or us first then the Planning Board?
Yes
Alright, if that is the case what | am hearing and is that we can make a vote on
the location contingent upon you getting Planning Board approval so if it goes this route, we
review and we make our vote. If we agree and you get the variance then you would have to go to
the Planning Board to get their approval for the materials, that you don’t know yet, the height,
the aesthetic, all the other components in the location that this board ends up deciding.
(NOT USING THE MIC) now to be clear, he is also going to have to address
site placement; drainage; the SEQR elements that they do. I just want clarification here, if we
are doing that, it sounds like we are changing how the code is written so we may need another
variance.
No, we are going to prove it based on your options.
Sorry, what would the other variance be? If you are changing the definition of
the 500 square feet. Oh, never mind, because we are going to the Planning Board.
And as far as the placement, if we were to vote on it and grant you relief, it was
based on a specific setback .
And then the Planning Board is going to send it back to you.
And the Planning Board will have to place it based on that setback so it’s not
really INAUDIBLE they will approve or not approve it without the setback.
What I am getting at is our location back to that point that you just made, the
location that we are having we would not meet the code because we would be coming for a
variance so the Planning Board would just have to condition any considerations. ..(MICHAEL
SHORT AND ADAM CUMMINGS SPEAKING AT THE SAME TIME) a variance being
requested.
Right. We would grant the variance and then they would approve the building but
not the location as long as it’s where the variance allowed the building to be.
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You would go to the Planning Board if the process were to continue.,.you would
go to the Planning Board with our approval based on the setbacks that we have agreed on and
then they would have to recognize that this is where the structure has to be and then move
forward with the review and approval based on our contingent approval.
So, J think for me, we have gone around on this quite a bit. I personally would
like to take a look...Josh, can you pull up the plan. Again, because we do have to make a
decision on a location if we are deciding to move forward with this, I am hoping that we can
move forward with this. There are three locations that was provided and during the presentation
there was an option to slide....keep the 5-foot setback and then slide it basically along that line if
you will. The current option or the original option is to keep it in line with the front of the
house, option | is back about 17 feet from the front of the house and not in line with the back of
the house as per the code requires. Option 2 is 15 feet off of the side setback which would not
require a side setback variance, but it looks about 5-6 feet off of the front of the house.
Me personally when I was out there, on the plan review I was originally wanting option 2
however when I was out there, I was looking more for option | or something in between and |
don’t want to take down a nice large maple tree but I do want the building setback from the front
of the house and I think there was a comment of 3 feet which I am ok with, just again, getting
that hierarchy of a accessory building vs the main house so for me having it pushed back about 3
feet from the front of the house is where ] would like it to be placed vs the preferred option.
So, a 43-foot front setback as opposed to the 40.4.
And you want it how far off the side setback?
5 foot.
I agree, when I went out there and actually for the plan, I liked option 1, I think
that works best. At least 5 feet off, I think it works better further back from the house as well.
Any comments?
I am fine with the 5 foot. It keeps it closer to the line and not out in the middle of
the yard, so it stands out. Does it have to go back the full 17, if you want to save the tree,
probably not.
It think the proposal is for 43 feet.
Yes, vs 40.4 or 43.4. With that..................
That is the best placement as far as you are concerned as well.
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RESOLUTION 24-0040 Michael Short made a motion for TYPE I] SEQR
which was seconded by: Corrine Volo.
VOTE:
Mr. Short AYE
Mrs. Volo AYE
Mr. Hauza AYE
Mr. Lagonor AYE
Mr. Centola AYE
Corrine Volo
nM -
This request is not out of character in the neighborhood: It is not out of character. [ think
we have made it less out of character with the neighborhood. There are sheds all over the
place and not a lot of accessory structures, but I think it will be esthetically acceptable to
the neighborhood.
There will not be a detriment created to nearby properties: The most impacted neighbor is
the neighbor directly to the north who is actually at this meeting this evening and speaking
that they are in agreement with the placement of the building.
The benefit is not achievable by any other method: We have reviewed all the other methods
and locations which to place the building and having analyzed eliminating the side setback
or pushing it as far back as possible, this is the best location for esthetics within the
neighborhood and also to preserve the current vegetation and the large maple tree
It is not substantial .
There are no adverse physical or environmental impacts to the site or neighborhood:
It is self-created but then again, it is a corner lot, so you
are stuck with the lack of real estate that you have. If your front were actually Millcreek,
you would have plenty of room to stick it in the back yard of the house. It would be no
less visible to anybody else, but it wouldn't require a variance to be located there.
This is not an undesirable change: And I will say this will be a desirable change because it
will neaten up the parcel and allowing the applicant to have room to put some of the
material that is currently stored outside inside the barn, I am sorry, the accessory building
and therefore, clean it up a little bit.
The request is somewhat substantial but given this is a
corner lot the backyard is extremely shallow. I don’t think there is any place on this lot
where an accessory structure could be placed that would fulfill all of the setbacks of the
code for an accessory structure.
Any other?
And that is contingent upon...
I didn’t make a motion yet; those are the findings.
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RESOLUTION 24-0041 Corrine Volo made a motion to APPROVE THE AREA
VARIANCE Located at 671 Willow Lane. Applicant
Bryan Bishchoping ts requesting AREA VARIANCES to
allow a side setback less than what is required and to
allow the placement of the accessory structure to be nearer
to the front property line than the rear line of the main
residence associated the construction of a 500 SF detached
wood-framed structure on a 0.46-acre parcel having SBL
# 065.13-2-11 located in an R-3 Single Family Residential
District under Sections 350-12 and 350-36 of the Code of
the Town of Webster which was seconded by: Michael
Short.
APPROVED 5’ (NORTH) SIDE SETBACK & 43.4’ (EAST) FRONT SETBACK W/
CONDITIONS:
e APPLICANT TO OBTAIN PLANNING BOARD APPROVAL
CONDITIONS:
¢ The applicant must obtain all necessary governmental permits, including a Town
Building Permit and flood plain development permit.
e That one-year significant construction shall expire June 12, 2025,
John DeMarco:
e Upon Planning Board approval and in the even that it is later determined the
Planning Board approval is not necessary, the matter has to come back before the
board, this board, the Zoning Board with a complete application that includes the
cost of structure, design and materials of the building so the board can pass
judgment on that issue
VOTE:
Mr. Short AYE
Mrs. Volo AYE
Mr. Hauza AYE
Mr. Lagonor AYE
Mr. Centola AYE
(Corrine Volo read the second application)
1246 STAFFORD CRESCENT GARAGE ADDITION: Located at 1246 Stafford Crescent.
Applicant Bob Peters is requesting AREA VARIANCES to allow a front and side setback less
than what is required associated with the construction of a 245 SF 3 rd. bay extension to an
existing 2 car garage on a 0.41-acre parcel having SBL# 065. 13-3-60 located in an R-3 Single
Family Residential District under Section 350-12 of the Code of the Town of Webster.
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Appearing before the board was Bob Peters (NEVER STATED HIS NAME OR ADDRESS)
Just to give you a quick little review from last month. I was here looking for two variances for a
245 SF addition to my 2.5 car garage. Once variance would be on the west side which is 15 feet
normally and ! need to take that to 9 feet, so I need 6 feet more and then on the front of the
property it is a 50-foot setback and I need 46 on that. We went over all that I think, and I handed
in prints and drawings and things so you can see exactly what it looks like. A question came up,
could I move this structure back to the back part of the house and we talked a little about that, I
have a patio there; I have kitchen windows there and it really wouldn’t be something that [ would
be interested in doing so if it didn’t go through then I wouldn’t be doing it. Don, I saw you there
today looking, and I was not home and the other thing that we had talked about near the end of
the discussion was that Monroe County Water has an easement between our two houses and I
would be building right up to that easement and then there could be a potential overhang of my
roof lines. So, I got a license from Monroe County Water Authority to be able to do that and you
didn’t really want to move forward until you saw something in writing so I went to them and I
sent the email to Katherine and explanation of what they said and more or less, they said even it
I did protrude, which I am not going to but if I did, 1 would have to re-do the license so the
license is an ongoing type thing. If I get over it, I have to tell them and then they make me sign
another license. So, basically that is where we are at and that was the last thing you had asked me
to do, and I forwarded that. Do you have any more questions? There was a legal thing to 1 think
attached. I think your attorney last time mentioned about, he was not quite sure of the legal
formality of the water authority and the water authority came back and said there is no legal
attachment to the Town of Webster from the variance. Just so that would be understood.
So, just go back over....your existing garage is 22 feet deep and you are looking
for a garage that is 26 feet deep; you are looking to extend closer to the front of the property by 4
feet beyond what the current house is and you indicated the reason that you don’t want to go
back was because you have windows in the kitchen and the kitchen is on the other side of the
garage so at the end of the day, the windows would not be blocked in anyway shape or form.
This plan does indicate the bay window, so that window would not be blocked it would be about
12 between the window and the garage addition and that window is actually 10 feet back from
the garage so that window still wouldn’t be blocked because it would only be back about 4 feet.
So, talk to me about the reason why you don’t want to go back.
There is another window there which ts the bathroom window which would be
covered up. If we did bring it back it is going to be more cost for me to be able to do the roof
structure and everything to bring everything back. | did look at it and we did look it over, so it
just didn’t make sense to do that financially. It is easier to construct it the way it is now and just
go out 4 feet off the front and I did send a drawing to you to show you what it looked like
esthetically and it’s all going to be great. It’s going to be cedar siding and match the house. The
garage doors are going to be new but all the same. I went around to 8 of my neighbors and I
could have gone to more, but they all agreed that they have no problem with that, and they were
very helpful with that. If] did find a neighbor was really concerned about it, I probably wouldn’t
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be here. They were all great about it so that is why we are back. I could, Michael and go back.
The first thing I thought about was going back but then I got the architect in there and we have to
rip the whole roof off and 20,000 dollars more to do that. So, I am better off not going this so this
is easiest type of construction to do, and ] want to do the 245 square feet and it’s only 9 feet more
added to what I already have but I have to have a 14-inch bay, so I go back into he existing
building more feet there, actually 5 feet to make the bay wide enough to accommodate cars and
stuff.
Any other questions?
I walked the site today and I would agree if that garage was pushed back, it
would make that 12-foot area very dark. Not only if you are standing outside, but the windows.
It just wouldn’t give you a nice warm feeling. Dark and dingy.
Cave like.
Yes, thank you.
No concern with............. as far as I recall when I drove by last month, al! the
other houses, the front of the house, nobody else’s is protruding forward. There are other
additions that are off to the side, other garage additions off to the side but I don’t recall any other
garages or any other components sticking further forward. I drove the loop at least twice.
What............. ok, the distance coming out is 4 feet.
Yes
I originally did this 10 years ago and I had the architect draw the drawing and it was
just going to be like a normal setback 2 feet and then I would only have 20 feet in there, but I am
actually putting in a lift to store my cars on and to do that and to get the garage door to rollup, I
had to be out so many feet so I could roll that door up and still have my lift inside, that is why 1
need 26 feet.
[ really don’t think that 4 feet is going to be noticeable from the roadway plus the
existing architectural style, it steps out.
It goes progressively further in the lot as you move through it.
And looking al the front setbacks as I go along Stafford Crescent when I just
pulled them up on the GIS mapping. ..a lot of the subdivisions if the setback is 50 feet you can
draw a line at 50 feet and all of the houses come right up to that line. In this subdivision they are
staggered so I don’t think it will look out of place just because they are not all in a nice, neat line
as where we do have a front setback on a nice, neat line of houses it definitely sounds out.
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I don’t think you are going to notice that 4-foot bump out as you are driving by.
| think the 4-foot bump out would bring architectural character to the house.
Ok, any other questions or comments? Ok, I will open it up to the public if
anyone would like to speak for or against this project. Ok, nobody, I will bring it back to the
board. Any final discussions?
RESOLUTION 24-0042 Michael Short made a motion for TYPE II SEQR
which was seconded by: Donald Hauza.
VOTE:
Mr. Short AYE
Mrs. Volo AYE
Mr. Hauza AYE
Mr. Lagonor AYE
Mr. Centola AYE
Chris Centola
1. This request is not out of character in the neighborhood: It is not out of character. The
project will not affect the existing character of the neighborhood. The relief requested is
minimal.
2. There will not be a detriment created to nearby properties: Will not.
3. The benefit is not achievable by any other method: The benefit based on the applicants
statement is not achievable by any other method and still allow him to enjoy the existing
house and windows in the structure.
4. This request is not substantial: It is not substantial.
5. There are no adverse physical or environmental impacts to the site or neighborhood: There
are none.
6. The difficulty is not self-created: The difficulties are minimal.
7. This is not an undesirable change: | believe that this is a desirable change.
8. This request is not significant: Is not.
RESOLUTION 24-0043 Chris Centola made a motion to APPROVE THE
AREA VARIANCE Located at Located at 1246
Stafford Crescent. Applicant Bob Peters is
requesting AREA VARIANCES to allow a front
and side setback less than what is required
associated with the construction of a 245 SF 3 rd.
bay extension to an existing 2 car garage on a 0.41-
acre parcel having SBL# 065. 13-3-60 located in an
R-3 Single Family Residential District under
Section 350-12 of the Code of the Town of Webster
which was seconded by: Donald Hauza
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APPROVED AS PRESENTED:
[ e 9° (WEST) SIDE SETBACK & 46 (SOUTH) FRONT SETBACK
CONDITIONS:
e The applicant must obtain all necessary governmental permits, including a Town
Building Permit.
e That one-year significant construction shall expire June 12, 2025.
VOTE:
Mr. Short AYE
Mrs. Volo AYE
Mr. Hauza AYE
Mr. Lagonor AYE
Mr. Centola AYE
(Corrine Volo read the third application)
46 LAKE ROAD RESIDENCE: Located at 46 Lake Road. Applicant Raymond C. Nannini is
requesting AREA VARIANCES to allow setbacks less than what is required associated with the
construction of a 1,333 SF single family residence on a 0.9-acre parcel having SBL# 063.09- 1-
13.1 located in an WD Waterfront Development District under Section 350-11 and 350-25 of the
Code of the Town of Webster.
Appearing before the board was (DID NOT SIGN IN) Greg McMahon representing Raymond
Nannini, the owners of the property at 46 Lake Road. The request is for, first of all, the...their
intent is to demolish the existing house and build a new home on that site. As many of the lots
are down there on Lake Road, a narrow 35-foot lot. We are requesting a side and front setback
variances. I would note that we did appear before the board back on February 23, 2021 and
they did grant these variances but since thal time, struggling with the DEC to get the necessary
permits to construct this house we finally reached a point where the DEC has accepted our
plans and they published the notification in the Webster Herald and I believe that was last week
and then after a 10 day waiting period they will be issuing the permit to build the house and we
are approved with the DEC and this time we wanted to come back and hopefully get these
variances re-approved.
Mr. McMahon, what were the permits that the DEC needed to grant you? Just
for the record.
Well, this home as all the homes are along there are both in the INAUDIBLE
erosion hazard area and the structural hazard area and to do any work you need a permit. We
filled a joint permit with the DEC and Cor of Engineers and the Department of State., The
Department of State and Cor of Engineers approved the project fairly quickly but the DEC
because it’s in the structural hazard area only allows the expansion of a structure by a certain
amount. They actually wanted us to move it right up to the right of way to Lake Road. We are
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asking for a 35-foot front setback INAUDIBLE and the 60 required and one of the reasons is
that we are adding a garage to the front, to the Lake Roadside of this. Ron Nannini who lives
in the house and will live in the new house is disabled and they were looking to get a garage so
that he can drive in and access what would be a very small, one floor living area and there is a
loft, if he has company but the living areas is one floor.
(NOT SPEAKING LOUD ENOUGH) Ok, so basically, they granted you the
permit for INAUDIBLE feature area and the hazard area. Ok, thank you.
There was a variance from the DEC required to do any work within the
structural hazard area, thal was part of the permit.
Ok, thank you.
So, with respect to anything that is being requested here, there has been no
other ....other than obtaining the variances of which you just spoke, there are no other changes
relative to the previously approved variances.
There are none, no. We are asking for the same variances that were approved
in 2021. Four and half foot side for both east and west side which in one case, the builder
....the current house is a little over a foot and 4 inches from one side line so we will be
opening up the space in order to center in the lot we will 4.5-foot setback on each side. A front
setback off of Lake Road per code is 60 feet and we are asking for 35 feet. And again, this is
very similar to many of the homes if you look at the homes on Lake Road. Many of them have
put these garage additions on the front of their homes. Many of the homes down there have
been reconstructed with similar variances.
Any other questions of comments from the board? Don, I am assuming....you
guys were here. I wasn’t here in 2021 when this came.
No, we....the setbacks are consistent with many of the houses in the area that
have been rebuilt and the existing lot primarily on the existing footprint with respect to the
garage addition off the front, there have been at least 2 others in that area. One further up the
road and 68 is significantly closer to the road than this one and then the one at number 40 is a
little bit further setback so this is an average between the
2. BOARD MEMBERS ALL SPEAKING.
So, it is inline and by bringing it away from the east property line and more
centering it, within the lot, it actually improves the space between the homes.
The rear setback or lake side setback roughly the same is what is currently ...
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It is actually less. That was one of the sticking points with the DEC. The
current house has a large deck on the lake side , we had proposed a deck, and we are cut back
to a 6-foot-wide deck right now with a stairway. This was a real chore to get this through the
DEC and there was a lot of concessions that had to be made.
Any other questions from the board? No, ok I will open it up to the public. Does
anyone want to speak for or against the project?
Jack Dwyer at 52 Lake Road: If am in that little yellow house next to Rons and when Ron
started talking about doing something about his house....the sandbar is a pretty unique little
community. Everybody gets a long pretty well and everyone knows exactly what everyone else
is doing and Ron, just like anybody else would do, he talked to his neighbors and excuse me,
there is an attorney here, so I want to make sure that you understand Mr. DeMarco, | am not
their representative, but I can assure you, over barbeques and a few beers and just talking with
neighbors, everybody is enthusiastic about this property being changed. You all seem like
really intelligent people, I take it, most of you have seen that property ok it is intuitively
obvious from a casual observer that something has to be done. Can I say something Mr.
DeMarco, off the record...if you every went inside, 1 am sure you would agree with me, that
that house would never, ever get a certificate of occupancy. So, it is a project that is
desperately needed. Actually, more than that Ron is really a nice decent guy, and he deserves
to have a nice home...to your point sir, he has some very serious health problems. I think he
should spend the rest of his life on the lake that belong to his family and such and enjoy
himself. Thank you for listening to me.
Dave Malecki and I live in West Webster: (NEVER SIGN IN)-NOT SPEAKING LOUD
ENOUGH. I have been here before talking about putting in a pedestrian bridge in the outlet.
All the properties there and walking the area of interest to me. The one thing Lam here to ask
about is what is the width of the property?
Based on the plans, 35 feet.
Dave Malecki and I live in West Webster: NOT SPEAKING LOUD ENOUGH. That is not
very wide. Well, lam wondering about public access. My understanding is Webster has zero
footage of beach, public access, certainly this area?
Further down the road, I think. At the ark I think we have some access.
Dave Malecki and f live in West Webster: NOT SPEAKING LOUD ENOUGH. At Webster
park?
No, not Webster park.
Portions of Sandbar park.
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Dave Malecki and I live in West Webster: NOT SPEAKING LOUD ENOUGH. I! have not seen
any beach there but ok but anyways, it would be nice to have a public beach there like there is
on the Irondequoit side. It’s one of the reasons I like the idea of the bridge and when you go up
to Charlotte, there is actually something called the hidden walkway, out behind the houses by
the lake and I was just reading the portion in the town code there about waterfront districts and
it does mention the possibility of putting walkways as close to the lake as possible. My question
is, on the lake side, when I walk on the pier right now, I see some private property signs in
questionable places. I don’t know if you guys have looked at that but please look at it at some
point. It has nothing to do with this property but just so you look at it and the question is, in the
future, would it be possible to put some public access coming in from the pier, across all of
those properties, including this one. So that is a question for you guys. As far as this property
here, I have no comment for it or against it.
It is a little beyond our scope for today, but I appreciate the comments and we
will take this into consideration.
Dave Malecki and I live in West Webster: NOT SPEAKING LOUD ENOUGH. As it relates to
this is possibly a walkway wherever this property ends INAUDIBLE.
Anyone else for public comment? No, ok will bring it back to the board.
RESOLUTION 24-0044 Michael Short made a motion TYPE II SEQR
which was seconded by: Corrine Volo
VOTE:
Mr. Short AYE
Mrs. Volo AYE
Mr. Hauza AYE
Mr. Lagonor AYE
Mr. Centola AYE
In jeu of this application has received variances and the variances being
requested have not changed, since 2021, I would have the same conditions...the applicant is
much further along in having received all the permits from DEC; Army Cor of Engineer, I will
basically make a motion.
RESOLUTION 24-0045 Donald Hauza made a motion to APPROVE THE
AREA VARIANCE Located at 46 Lake Road.
Applicant Raymond C. Nannini is requesting
AREA VARIANCES to allow setbacks less than
what is required associated with the construction of
a 1,333 SF single family residence on a 0.9-acre
parcel having SBL# 063.09-1-13.1 located in an
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public portion of the meeting. Anyone have any thoughts? | think this is fairly straight forward.
Am I missing something?
No
RESOLUTION 21-012 Mr. Barone made a motion to APPROVE AN AREA
Located at 1235 Lake
Road. Applicant Randolph Henderson is requesting an area
variance to allow a 17° side setback where 20° is required
associated with the construction of a 15° x 20° garage
addition on a .82 acre parcel having SBL # 050.01-1-9.2
located in an R-| Single Family Zoning District under
Section 225.9 of the Code of the Town of Webster which
was seconded by Mr. Hauza.
VOTE:
Mr. Barone AYE
Mrs. Volo AYE
Mr. Newtown AYE
Mr. Hauza AYE
Conditions:
e The applicant must obtain all necessary governmental permits, including a Town
Building Permit.
e That one-year significant construction shall occur to expire February 23, 2022
Corrine Volo read the second application:
46 LAKE ROAD SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE: Located at 46 Lake Road. Applicant
Raymond Nannini is requesting area variances to allow: a. a 4.5" east side setback where 15” is
required b. # 4.5" west side setback where 15’ is required c. a 35° front setback where 70° is
required d. a lot size of 13,244 sf where [8,000 is required associated with the construction of a
910 sf single family residence on a .09-acre parcel having SBL # 063.09-1-13.1 located ina WD
Waterfront Development District under Sections 225-10 and 225 22 of the Code of the Town of
Webster.
Appearing before the board was Al LaRue with McMahon LaRue Associates. Raymond Nannini
is here tonight. You can ask him any questions that you may have regarding the new home he
plans to build there. The lot itself is 35 feet wide and the new home is 26 feet wide. It is only
910 square feet. It has a loft, so 14 is nol a big home. ICs a one-story home with a loft. We are
placing it in the middle of the Jot trying to take advantage of the fact thal we only have 35 feet to
work with so we split it to at least make it a little bit more manageable on either side for him to
be able to maintain it, We can’t shove the home to the north more because it ts already north of
the coastal erosion zone, the DEC erosion zone so we are kind of in the same envelope that the
existing home was in bul no more north then it. So, that necessitated the 35-foot front setback
because we are planning on a 2-car garage with that so there are some comparable tn the
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neighborhood which I am sure you have. We are kind of as far as his front setback is concerned,
we are kind of in the middle. One was at 27 and one was at 45 and we are al
35. We are kind of
in the middie range with that. But again, we are trying not to push the home any further north
then the original home was but build a new home and with that any questions from me or Ray,
we will be glad to answer.
Now, that coastal erosion line that you talk of, it’s not indicated on the map or is
it?
Yes, it’s the dark line.
Yes, it is. It is the dark wide line
It’s the second one to the north.
That is because of scaling.
Oh, I see it now.
It is 6 feet wide on the scaling and that is what they require. It is a small scale or
large scale. I can’t remember which it is. The map shows the line.
I see it Al, thank you.
We also provided architectural with this home.
| guess the first question, we have to ask, is there anyway to make the house
narrower?
Well it is pretty small now.
I am looking at the room sizes and nothing is... | have to ask that question Al
because the side setbacks have been a huge issuc on this.
So basically, we are squaring up the sides so it will look like the rest of the houses
in the neighborhood. If you look at the map, it is a very odd shaped place right now and it is
kind of falling apart. We have to build the thing on piers so we would like the loft part of it for
some storage. We are losing our crawl space. We need a place to put our furnace , air condition,
that sort of thing. As far as the side setbacks go, there are 2 other houses within that
neighborhood with only 3 1/2 feet side setbacks. They are 35-foot lots and they have 28-foot-
wide houses.
It is in fact; further from the sideline then the existing structure is on the east side
You are still going to have 11.36 foot between one house to the other and 10.3 I
think, on the other.
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Al] |-aRue: The house at 52 is further away from the line then ours. So, when you add them up
there 15 still pretty good distance between the 2 houses.
Ray Nannini. We are actually shrinking the width of the house. I think it was about
29. It was
touching one spot. [think it was 28 feet originally and we shrunk it to
26. Barry Barone: Now I know Corrine asked Josh for the variances previously granted on that side .
Did you bring some of that data with you?
it's in our tablets but | know the question is did we grant setback variances to the
property at number 40 and also the property, ] believe it was 68 and the property at 40 has 45
feet setback and 68, | believe has 27 feet for their front setback. Both of them | believe were
remodels onto the existing homes shortly after they had purchased the property in the front that
become available and allowed any front setbacks from the properties as to what they had before.
It is interesting to note that when someone has an existing home and want to
remodel it, we can’t make them move il. Another words, if they are going to build on a
foundation, you can’t say you have to tear down your house and build it over again and the house
that is there on this lot, is beyond repair. It is sagging all over the place. [tis terrible. Do we use
that same standard for a new house? Another words, it's definitely going to be an improvement
to the property, and he is going to be further from the lot line . The question is, if he was just
there and he just wanted to fix it and he needed a permit
Well he wouldn’t be any closer to the road
INAUDIBLE,
That's true. The garage ts the setback. I guess we could look at the properties up
and down the line and I think this one is kind of the average of the front setback [ believe and
correct me if | am wrong, but there is some closer and some further back.
On that side, on that road we only have the 2 that have added out to the front I
don’t think any of them are at the 70-75 feet thal is required but there are only the 2 parcels that
close being 45 and one at
27. Did we gel any comments from any neighbors or public?
Josh, did we get letters?
No, the town did not receive any letters or write ins.
| brought a couple of letters by neighbors.
Do you have letters signed by neighbors?
(approached Mr. Barone with letter from neighbor) INAUDIBLE (SEE ATTACHED
LETTER)
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Please use the microphone
That was my directions, but I said everything | needed to say at the moment unless
you have more questions.
What was the front setback? Remember the garage addition that we gave to add
a deck on top and it was 6 places down?
That was the D’ Amico property.
Yes, what number was that?
That was at
45. It was originally approved at 47 and then erroneously built at 45
and then the property at 68 which was Pelusio was at 27 to add the garage to the front of that
property.
Now, across the street they range from 35 to 45 feet or so
Correct
If we added a garage onto the existing dilapidated structure, that would still come out
to about where it is now. So, what we are trying to do is improve the situation by not keeping
that existing structure and building a new structure, making it all clean and get it up out of the
flood zone and those kinds of things of what we need to do and that is the theory behind it.
Now, how does that deck impact the location with respect to the coastal hazard
Jine ? Is the deck pushing the house forward?
The north end of the house is no further north then the existing structure and that is
kind of where we are pinned to because if we move the entire structure to the north out past that
point, we certainly are not going to get DEC approval.
But the deck is beyond that?
A] LaRue: That is the part that is stopping us.
It looks better with all the houses in line on the street
But the are not in jine
Yes, | understand what he is saying. The house is no further back than the
existing, but the deck could be in that
Towards the water
Towards the water?
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That is not what he suid, he said the street.
A! LaRue: Did J say the street?
I was looking for a way to make the deck smaller and move the house back
Donald Hauza [ understand. This is a single story?
A! LaRue: Yes, single story with a loft.
You know, when you come down to il, by the time you take the garage off it, the
house is tiny.
At the end of the day it is 900 square feet. What are you really going to gain if
you shorten il up by a foot ? You're not going to push it towards the lake any further because of
the issues he has to deal with on the front and it is in line with the rest of the houses on the lake.
So, the only issue is, we deall with that one with a neighbor thal was concerned about the line of
site to the Irondequoit Bay, but I don’t think that impacts that.
Correct and it’s far enough away and we have not gotten, well we didn’t open the
public hearing yet, but we have not gotten the same level of neighborhood comments as we did
previously with, he others.
Ok, frankly | think the neighbors are going to be happy to see that home replaced
because it is so dilapidated right now. F'll tell you what, let's see if any of the neighbors want to
callin. This meeting is open to the public. Anyone wishing to speak for or against this
application, please dial 872-70211. Ok, while we are waiting for the phone to work.
RESOLUTION 21-013 Mr. Barone made a motion for a TYPE {1 SEQR
which was seconded by Mrs. Volo.
VOTE:
Mr. Barone AYE
Mrs. Volo AYE
Mr. Newtown AYE
Mr. Hauza AYE
Mike D'Amico at 40 Lake Road: [he board set a precedent a loug time ago
INAUDIBLE about a 3 42 foot side setback.
Have trouble hearing you. Can you turn down the TV?
The board has seat a precedent [feel 20 years ago when 1 built my house with a
3 '3 foot side setback there as a minimum and | think | remember the board said that, to be able
to puta ladder up on your roof the minimum was so many feet and if both at 3% feet that would
give you 7 and then you could vet up on your roof. Otherwise, anvthing less then that probably
wast going to be approved. So, when f built at 32, Pxold that lot to my to my cousin and they
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held him to 3 “on either side. So, { think it has kind of been set at 3 ¥2 foot and right now those
guys are right at it exactly at 3 4 on either side and it would look a lot better then what it looks
like now. They are great people and they have been great neighbors and actually they have been
there long then me. I bought the lot in 95 so way before me and I would like to see something
happen. As long as there is not anything different then what the neighborhood is then what has
been approved in the past and as far as the 75 front setback, there is not one house that | know of
on Lake Road west of Bay Road that has a 75 foot front setback. That only came in account, I
think when the county took it over from state and that was for the front setback so. That is all f
am going to say, and I am in favor of it and appreciate you guys listening.
Thank you for calling in Michael. Actually, it is 4 4% not 3%.
Actually it’s 5 2
And then it does get wider towards the back. I think in order to build any habitat
residence the house can not be a heck of a lot narrower than that. We can nit pick a foot here and
there, but the bedrooms are only | 1-foot-wide and that is tiny and that is the main bedroom in the
house.
As far as the side setback are concerned, we tried to even it off and at least they
would have something on both sides if they needed to put up a ladder or whatever. I didn't want
to make one smaller of bigger. We took | % off of each side.
Yes, it is a huge improvement over what is there. We do this all the time. We
took at a plan and say ok, were the extravagant with their dimensions and can we squeeze it to
minimize the impact of the variance, but I really don’t see how to do that here. The kitchen is a
corridor kitchen, a tiny kitchen and the living room is only 13 feet wide. The bedroom is only 1 |
feet wide and the garage is a standard 2 car. There is no place to save any space. The bathroom
is a very modest bathroom. It is just functional. I don’t think we are going to get any calls so I
will close the public portion of the meeting. We do have a letter here from Michael D’ Amico
also in support and Michael D’ Amico just called in, but I will enter that into the record also,
Is there any point of the... I don’t have the floor plans or the architectural for this
site. Are there doors going to either side of that building?
On the side of the building?
Yes.
There is a door in the front.
No, there are no doors on either side.
Frankly there is no front door except through the garage. So, another words, they
have to walk through their garage just to get into their house.
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Al LaRue. That is exactly nght
Barry Barone. And no doors on either side to your point Don. Just doors out to the deck in the
back. Does somebody want to go through the standards? Or do we need more discussion? | can
go through the standards,
Have you contacted DEC?
Not yet but we know from past experience that if you are thinking about moving that
structure north of the existing structure it’s ano go. They are getting really tough on that.
Another thing is al! those houses are fined up across the front and we wouldn't want that to be
sticking out either because it will look odd our from the shore and potential obstruct.
When you say front, you mean waterfront?
On the lake
Not the road front?
A! LaRue: No, nat the road front.
Are you suggesting now we have to put a condition in there per DEC approval?
Is that what you were asking? | can’t hear because you are so far away Don... (laughter)
Now how long does it take to get the DEC approval? Do you have any idea
because I think we have had an issuc with this before where it could take a year to get the
approval?
Yes, it’s at least a year and then the chances of getting denied are running around 75-
80% because they are just not handing out permils . Our firm right now is not taking any more
work that requires a DEC permit because the clients get frustrated and we get frustrated. Its just
not...
| think another case and I think John you recommended that since it takes so Jong
lo gel through the paperwork that the board would most likely look favorable on an extension
| think you can condition it on that the fact assuming that it is only for an
extension for the DEC permit and nothing else that is approved is going to change that allows
Josh to administrative extend it for at least a 6 month term and they can bring it back to the board
and that is [8 months. You don’t have to re calendar the matter of having the board grant the
authority to Josh if it is only an extension that the only reason for the extension ts for the DEC
approval,
Are you talking about postponing the hearing?
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No, we are going to vote tonight and assuming that you get approved and the
approval takes you beyond 12 months rather then coming back to the board for the extension we
will allow the administrative approval assuming that it is only for that purpose.
Ok. That makes sense because we are already 4 months into 810 Lake Road and we
still don’t have anything and all we are looking to show there is to show the waterfront and
smooth out the yard heading down to the bay. We don’t expect anything for 2-3 months and that
is extremely simply. So, yes, that would be a good thing to put in. Thank you.
The question 1] had is also parking. Parking has always been an issue on Lake
Road or just part of Lake Road. This shows an available driveway. Does that extend to
property line to property line?
Is there a 5-foot setback for a driveway? Regardless if it is paved or stoned
INAUDIBLE
Yes, we are going to make that as a condition because we didn’t anticipate that on
some of the other homes that we gave variances to so we will just make it a condition.
you know there is a few on Lake Road. The newer ones aren’t holding the 5-foot
setback.
We understand that bul that is because it is becoming an issue and so we would
like to have a 5-foot separation from both the side property lines to delineate that driveway.
Landscape it whatever.
Yes, it’s in the code.
You have to eagle eyes Don if you picked that one up. I see gravel.
kt is gravel.
It really doesn’t show the edges of the driveway.
It is all gravel all the way across.
| understand but there should be a delineation from one property to the other so
it’s no Jonger an issue.
1 see the wheels spinning, Corrine, is there anything else you would like to add?
No, it’s not much bigger than a cottage so. I can run through the standards if you
want.
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[ FINDINGS OF FACTS:
8. This request is not out of character in the neighborhood: With respect to the setbacks, |
will say that. We know that along this stretch of Lake Road we do have some setbacks that
are closer to 3-31/2 feet which this 1s.
There will not be a detriment created to nearby properties: On one side is actually the east
side 1s going to be further from the fot tine from the existing home and the west side is very
similar that the existing home has.
The benefit is not achievable by any other method: Again, it’s a small house and it is only
900 square feet. It's 26 feet wide. The lot is a small lot in giving the amount of developable
area based on the DEC requirements there really is no other way to do this especially with
a single story home.
with respect to what the code requires bul not substantial to
with respect to what is in the area already and with respect to the house outline vs. the lot
line in this point and time
There are no adverse physical or environmental impacts to the site or neighborhood: The
fact that the north home line is not changing and not getting any further or any closer to the
lake or impacting the neighbors view would suggest that this is going to have an adverse
impact and we also do have posilive comments from the neighbors impacted nearby that
are in favor of this upgrade.
It is kind of a toss up but anything you do is going to
require a variance other than build a hallway within that lot.
. This is not an undesirable change: It certainly is not an undesirable change. It is going to
be a significant improvement to the properly since the house sits there right now needs
some help.
This request is not significant:
Is there anything anyonc else would like to add that I missed?
RESOLUTION 21-014 Mrs. Volo made a motion to APPROVE AREA
Located at 46
Lake Road. Applicant Raymond Nannini is requesting area
variances to allow: a. a 4.5’ east side setback where 15” is
required b. a 4,5’ west side setback where 15° is required c.
a 35° front setback where 70° is required d. a lot size of
13,244 sf where 18,000 is required associated with the
construction of a 910 sf single family residence on a .09
acre parcel having SBL # 063.09-1-13.1 located ina WD
Waterfront Development District under Sections 225.10
and 225 22 of the Code of the Town of Webster which was
seconded by Mr. Hauza
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VOTE:
Mr. Barone AYE
Mrs. Volo AYE
Mr. Newtown AYE
Mr. Hauza AYE
A couple of conditions. You need a building permit, but you can't get the building
permit until you get the DEC permit. With this board, per John’s recommendation, is we are
going to allow an extra 6 months for Josh to give you a 6-month extension, an administrative
extension for the purpose of getting a DEC permit only. Ok. Good luck with that because I know
they are slow.
And that should be part of the motion that everybody be
Should [ amend the motion?
Yes
I will amend the motion to all that a 6-month administrative extension can be
granted in addition to the one year by the Public Works Department for DEC approval and any
other changes would need to come before the board. If the DEC permit is not granted within that
18 months, then the applicant would need to come before the board for a formal extension
beyond this deadline.
Ok, all set. Good luck with your project.
Does everyone vote in favor of that?
All in favor ?
AYE
Conditions:
e The applicant must obtain all necessary governmental permits, including a Town
Building Permit.
That one-year significant construction shall occur to expire February 23, 2022
e¢ Approved w/conditions: DEC approval with admin extension of 6 months until DEC
permit is received. Should more time be needed, applicant should call before expires.
¢ Driveway to have a 5-foot setback from property lines.
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WD Waterfront Development District under Section
350-11 and 350-25 of the Code of the Town of
Corrine Volo.
APPROVED AS PRESENTED:
© 4,5’ (EAST & WEST) SIDE SETBACKS
e 35’ (SOUTH) FRONT SETBACK
Can we adopt the section of the minutes and the findings from the February
23, 2021 Zoning Board meeting because this has already been previously approved, but it
expired based on DEC taking............
Most importantly, there has been no changes.
CONDITIONS:
e¢ The applicant must obtain all necessary governmental permits, including a Town
Building Permit.
e That one-year significant construction shall expire June 11, 2025.
e Adopt minutes and findings from the Zoning Board meeting of 2.23.21. (SEE
ATTACHED)
VOTE:
Mr. Short AYE
Mrs. Volo AYE
Mr. Hauza AYE
Mr. Lagonor AYE
Mr. Centola AYE
ADMINISTRATIVE ITEM:
e No minutes were approved.
Since there is no further application before the Board Michael Short adjourned tonight’s meeting
at 10:00 p.m.
Corrine Volo, Secretary JUL 10°24 Pe12°26
Katherine Kolich, Recording Secretary FILED WERSTER THN CLK
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