WEBSTER TOWN PLANNING BOARD MINUTES
Webster Town Board Meeting Room 1002 Ridge Road
7:00 p.m.
7 March 2023
ABSENT:
Dave Malta, Vice Chairman Anthony Casciani, Chairman
Mark Giardina, Secretary
Derek Anderson
John Kose}
Derek Meixell
Jennifer Wright
Kyle Taylor, Attorney
Josh Artuso, Director of Community Development
Katherine Kolich, Recording Secretary
Pledge of Allegiance & Roll call.
Ok, we have one tabled matter and five agenda items tonight. We do not have a full
board. Our Chairman, Tony Casciani is recovering from surgery. I talked to him today and he is
doing very well and hopefully we will see him back here next month but, if there is anyone who
has an application before this board that wants to table it to a full board, you can do so. Is there
anybody wishing to do that? If not, we will get started.
Summary overview of outcome:
G & H AUTO SALES-SIGN
DSB Engineers
APPLICANT REQUESTED TO TABLE APPLICATION TO APRIL 4, 2023.
COZY NAIL-SIGN
Vital Signs
APPROVED AS PRESENTED
BEST BUY AUTO SALES-SIGN
Vital Signs
APPROVED MONUMENT SIGN ONLY; FACADE SIGNS TABLED TO APRIL
4, 2023 MEETING
233 INSPIRATION POINT ROAD-ACCESORY STRUCTURE
Martin Parent
Status; APPROVED AS PRESENTED
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PHILLIPS NORTH SUBDIVISION
169 Phillips Road, LLC
APPROVED WITH CONDITIONS
MARINA DODGE JEEP-EXPANSION
Al LaRue
TABLED TO 4.4.23 PB MEETING
(Mark Giardina read the first application):
G & H AUTO SALES: Located at 1021 Five Mile Line Road. Applicant DSB Engineers is
requesting SIGN APPROVAL to allow a 28.3 SF building mounted fagade sign &
SKETCH PLAN REVIEW associated with the construction of a 6-space front parking /
display area for G & H Auto Sales on a 0.74-acre parcel having SBL# 079.18-1-1 located in a
CO Commercial Outdoor Storage District under Sections 265-7 & 269-5 of the Code of the
Town of Webster.
*Applicant has requested to table this application to the April 4, 2023, Meeting*
(Mark Giardina read the second application):
Located at 805D Ridge Road. Applicant Vital Signs is requesting SIGN
APPROVAL associated with the installation of a 25 SF building mounted facade sign on a
3.54- acre parcel having SBL# 079.18-1-69.111 located in an MC Medium Intensity
Commercial District under Section 265-7 of the Code of the Town of Webster.
Appearing before the board was Amy Catalano with Vital Signs. Cozy Nail, so it is non-lit
aluminum composite with high performance vinyl lettering.
Is it the exact same sign as the other sign that was there?
Yes
Yes, I went by there and it is just the same thing that is there just different letters.
Same size, everything 1s fine as far as 1 am concerned.
Derek Anderson:
RESOLUTION
Town of Webster Planning Board considered the request by Applicant, Vital Signs to install a 25
SF building mounted fagade sign and two monument sign inserts for Cozy Nail, located at 805D
Ridge Road on a 3.54- acre parcel having SBL# 079.18-1-69.111,.
The Planning Board classifies the proposed action to be a Type II Action under Section
617.5(c)(2) of the State Environmental Review (SEQR) Regulations and therefore is not subject
(o further review.
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RESOLUTION 23-026
VOTE:
RESOLUTION 23-027
VOTE:
Derek Anderson made a motion for TYPE II
SEQR which was seconded by Derek Meixell.
Mr. Anderson
Mr. Kosel
Mr. Malta
Mr. Meixell
Mr. Casciani
Mr. Giardina
Mrs. Wright
AYE
AYE
AYE
AYE
ABSENT
AYE
AYE
John Kosel made a motion for SIGN
Located at 805D Ridge Road.
Applicant Vital Signs is requesting SIGN
APPROVAL associated with the installation of a
25 SF building mounted fagade sign on a 3.54-
acre parcel having SBL# 079.18-1-69.111 located
in an MC Medium Intensity Commercial District
under Section 265-7 of the Code of the Town of
Webster Code of the Town of Webster which was
seconded by Derek Meixell.
Mr. Anderson
Mr. Kosel
Mr. Malta
Mr. Meixell
Mr. Casciani
Mr. Giardina
Mrs. Wright
(Mark Giardina read the third application):
AYE
AYE
AYE
AYE
ABSENT
AYE
AYE
Located at 771 Ridge Road. Applicant Vital Signs is
requesting SIGN APPROVAL associated with the installation of (2) building mounted signs
and re-use of an existing monument sign to reflect a new auto dealership business on a 1.73
acre parcel having SBL# 079.17-1-21.11 located in an MC Medium Intensity Commercial
District under Section 265-7 of the Code of the Town of Webster.
Appearing before the board was Amy Catalano with Vital Signs. Yes, so the monument sign oul
front we are just going to be swapping out the lexan insert to reflect this business. Same size and
same sign structure, internally lit cabinet, double sided and we are allowed just one building
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mounted sign and on the second we are hoping that at the Zoning Board meeting next week we
will get that passed but they are both showing on the pictures provided tonight.
! was by there today and I see you already have the monument sign in place.
Well, he had gotten a temporary sign permit so that is just coroplast in there. It is
not lexan, it does not lite up.
Ok.
Yes, Best Buy did get a permit for a temporary sign.
For the second sign, [ mean I know you mentioned that the applicant was
looking to get a variance for the second sign. Typically the second sign, you have the name of
the company and then a logo or emblem this is more of advertising to me than a sign. It might be
more appropriate to be put in the window or something else. I don’t know how other people feel
on the board about that but the two signs and circular in nature as they are...1 don’t know how to
say it, it’s just doesn’t look as symmetrical or is necessarily constant with other signs in the
town. That is my thought, but I really think the one says, Easy Financing Available is not a
signage for the business, it’s more of a marketing thing.
I do not see it, as necessary.
So this could go to the Zoning Board and the Zoning Board may approve the
two signs but I am not sure how that would work Josh, because I am sort of inclined to not
provide the approval as presented tonight or provide the approval for the Best Buy Auto Sales
sign and not the other sign.
Are there any other signs like this in town that are advertised say, easy financing
Or...
Usually it is a temporary thing pasted in the window.
Not that I am aware of.
Neither am I but I was looking to sec that they put the numerical numbers on the
first sign, the monument sign and they did and the second one passed by and I hate to admit that
but.
Yes, so if they were to proceed to the Zoning Board and get a variance for the
second sign, ultimately all signage still needs these boards approval. So, if you are not inclined to
be liking it as presented, then they may have to go back to the drawing board,
Honestly, ] know it’s just a sign but I would be more inclined to say, a
rectangular sign on one side of the building so it’s not so compressed and it’s bigger and you can
sec the name of the company and put that where the circular Best Buy Auto Sales is and not have
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the second sign and if the applicant really wants a second sign and gets an approval or a variance
to have two signs, then they would have to come back with some sort of different sign then just a
marketing message with financing as the second sign.
Somebody mentioned about putting the sign in the window and I think it was
Derek Anderson, which is...we have done that before.
Because the sign inside the building docs not require a permil, variance or
anything else.
You are right, they could get that message across another way with lettering or
something else. I know they wanted it balanced. A sign on each peak and they didn’t want two
of the same so other than the logo name, [I am not sure what we would put on the second sign
unless they just duplicated it.
I think it would be quite lovely with just one sign that was rectangular that fit
better in the one peak and leave the other peak just the way it is with nothing on it. Would be my
recommendation.
I will talk to them, but the monument sign is fine.
The monument sign is fine it is opaque [ presume?
Correct. The only part is the one stripe along the bottom that the light will come
through that white.
That I has to ask for...typically the signs are suppose to be opaque and white
should not be shinning through Just the letters be illuminated so I don’t know that the white
stripe on the bottom either
I think itis only about six inches, but it is easy to change.
I think Josh per the code, it’s supposed to be opaque so the white doesn’t shine
through, right? So, there is just a few adjustments to this sign.
No problem.
And since there are enough changes the applicant is probably going to want to
make a change, do you want to get the approval on the monument sign and come back, I don’t
know how to.
| think it might be appropriate to table it pending ZBA review. It might
INAUDIBLE moot point if they do not grant that variance. Would you agree with that Josh?
Yes
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And then that gives you an opportunity...
Even if they grant the variance, we still don’t have to approve that second sign there.
The easy financing signs.
Correct, the applicant could go back and review in light of the comments received
from the board here.
Should we send a letter to the ZBA expressing our concerns about the second
sign or just let (hem go ahead ?
The concern is not the second sign, it is what is on the second sign so that is not
regulated by the ZBA. That is something we do here. If ZBA decides that they can have two
signs on the building than it is up to them to come up with two signs that they want on the
building that we like and could approve. The monument sign, the white banner on the bottom,
you should probably eliminate that and the letters be white so that nothing but the white letters
show instead of the white background.
So, we could put opaque while vinyl because we want to differentiate. We want
the contact information, the phone number and the website to be set apart from the rest of the
sign so we could pul opaque white. Light still comes through it but as bright as it would with
white lexan.
| think as long as it is an opaque background is what we have approved in the
past.
Ok, we can go ahead and approve the monument sign.
Can we approve the one building sign with the name on it?
1 am almost inclined to table this and let the applicant come back and decide if
they want to design the signs differently and in lieu of the fact that the board is more inclined to
approve one then to approve two signs.
Just the building mounted signs?
The building mounted signs. I think the monument sign, as long as it is opaque
is fine,
Derek Anderson; I have to agree with her with her earlier statement, the easy financing available
does not really appear to be a business sign, is that the name of the company? No, so...So, that is
not considered a sign,
Ok, so you are going to table the building mounted signs until the next meeting?
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Ok, so | would still go to the Zoning Board to see if a second sign would be
permitted,
Yes
Because they do not look at the design.
Right
It depends on, based on, guidance from the Planning Board. You would only
need to go to the Zoning Board if the applicant wanted to design two different signs for the front
of the building and still want to pursue two signs as long as that second sign wasn’t marketing
and advertising specific to financing. It would have to be like a logo and the name of the
business two signs but just a marketing advertising sign would probably not be approved by this
board. It really should not be approved by this board.
Ok, so we are going to table the building mounted signs until the next meeting and
get the outcome from the ZBA.
They have a temporary sign up so why don’t they table they whole package?
They are going to want to get a lil sign up as soon as possible.
Lets go ahead and approve the monument sign and get that out of the way.
I think we need to write down that the white is opaque because it is not written
anywhere.
Derek Anderson:
RESOLUTION
Town of Webster Planning Board considered the request by Applicant, Vital Signs to install two
(2) building mounted signs and replace the panels of an existing monument sign for Best Buy
Auto Sales located at 771 Ridge Road on a 1|.73-acre parcel having SBL# 079.17-1-21.11.
The Planning Board classifies the proposed action to be a Type II Action under Section
617.5(c)(2) of the State Environmental Review (SEQR) Regulations and therefore is not subject
to further review.
RESOLUTION 23-028 Derek Anderson made a motion for TYPE II
SEQR which was seconded by Derek Meixell.
VOTE:
Mr. Anderson AYE
Mr. Kosel AYE
Py. 72 (March 7, 2023, Planning Meeting
RESOLUTION 23-029
Mr. Malta
Mr. Meixell
Mr. Casciani
Mr. Giardina
Mrs. Wright
AYE
AYE
ABSENT
AYE
AYE
Jennifer Wright a made a motion for SIGN
Located at 771 Ridge Road.
Applicant Vital Signs is requesting SIGN
APPROVAL associated with the installation of
(2) building mounted signs and re-use of an
existing monument sign to reflect a new auto
dealership business on a |.73-acre parcel having
SBL# 079.17-1-21.11 located in an MC Medium
Intensity Commercial District under Section 265-
7 of the Code of the Town of Webster.
Code of the Town of Webster Which was seconded
by Dave Malta.
(BUILDING MOUNTED SIGNS WILL BE
TABLED UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING OF
4.4.23)
Do we need to say anything about the building mounted signs that they are going to
be tabled?
Yes
VOTE:
Mr. Anderson AYE
Mr. Kosel AYE
Mr. Malta AYE
Mr. Meixell AYE
Mr. Casciani ABSENT
Mr. Giardina AYE
Mrs. Wright AYE
(Mark Giardina read the fourth application):
233 INSPIRATION POINT ROAD ACCESSORY STRUCTURE: Located at 233 Inspiration
Point Road. Applicant Martin Parent is requesting PRELIMINARY / FINAL SITE PLAN
APPROVAL (
PUBLIC HEARING
) associated with the construction of a 1,040 SF accessory structure
on a |.70-acre parcel having SBL# 078.13-1-14.1 located in an R-3 Single Family Residential District
under Section 350-36 of the Code of the Town of Webster.
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Appearing before the board Martin Parent at 233 Inspiration Point. This is Kevin, the builder
with Marshal Exteriors. They will be doing the work and as you can see everything is laid out
pretty clearly. | do not know what we need to do, (A LOT OF PAPER RATTLING)
So, they did receive a variance at the last ZBA meeting for the placement of the
structure being forward of the rear line of the house so that did get approved.
J took a drive down and seen just exactly where that building is going to be and |
noticed that your lot drops significantly down to a another drive way, way down below. So, it
really 1s nol adjacent to any other property owners or anything that is unsightly where it is.
| think it would be hard to see in six months. When the leaves are on the trees,
you won't be able to see the building at all . I think a couple of neighbors might see it now but
they are still quite a ways away.
I didn’t see where it obstructed anywhere.
I was thinking the same thing since it’s set so far back from the road and there
is no where else to put it. I am sure it is going to be a lovely barn so.
Our house looks nice, so we want that to look nice.
What are the materials that you are going to use?
Excuse me?
What materials are you going to use on that barn?
INAUDIBLE construction and owned by Marshall Exteriors. We are going to
mimic exactly what is on the house. The asphalt, the shingles, and the siding as well. There is
going lo be a stone wains coat along the bottom so it will match the house almost exact like the
house when the house was built. You will notice the picture of the roof that matches the existing
garage as well.
Ok, does anyone have any questions?
The taller garage is just because of the vehicle?
Ii is the boat and I have measure over and over again and | couldn’t come up with
a smaller garage door, | do not like it either. 1] think that is the only thing that is going to is that
taller garage door. I wish it could have been shorter but there is a radar on the boat and a tower
and even folded down is 13 feet. It is not that big of a board it is just tall.
This is just going to be used for personal usc, no commercial use?
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No, just personal,
Is there water, electricity, or gas?
No, we have not even gone that far. That would be way down the road. Right
now, il is just going to be somewhere to store a pickup truck; that boat; and my lawnmower,
things like that because we don’t have storage there at allt.
Any other questions or comments from the board? It is a public hearing, so | am
opening it up to the public. Does anyone wish to speak on behalf or oppose this project? Seeing
none, we will return it back to the board. Ok, is everyone all set with this?
What about lighting. Is there any outside lighting?
Are you going to have any outside lighting?
We are not. Again, it is going to be the type of building where we are going to
use il twice a year to get the board in there, the pickup truck will stay in there and we are not
going to do any outside lighting in the future at all. We even have not gone as far as electricity
because I do not think that we need it. It won’t be used that often other than having the boat in
there for the winter and the truck and lawnmower and that sort of thing. We will have windows
and that will be about our only light.
Derek Anderson:
RESOLUTION
Town of Webster Planning Board considered the request by Applicant, Martin Parent to
construct a 1,040-sf accessory structure located at 233 Inspiration Point Road on a 1.70-acre
parcel having SBL# 078, 13-1-14.1.
The Planning Board classifies the proposed action to be a Type I] Action under Section
617.5(c)(2) of the State Environmental Review (SEQR) Regulations and therefore is not subject
to further review.
RESOLUTION 23-030 Derek Anderson made a motion for TYPE II
SEQR which was seconded by Mark Giardina.
VOTE:
Mr. Anderson AYE
Mr. Kosel AYE
Mr. Malla AYE
Mr. Meixell AYE
Mr. Casciant ABSENT
Mr. Giardina AYE
Mes. Wright AYE
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RESOLUTION 23-031
Dave Malta a made a motion for
PRELMINARY APPROVAL Located at 233
Inspiration Point Road. Applicant Martin Parent is
requesting PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN
APPROVAL (
PUBLIC HEARING
) associated
with the construction of a 1,040 SF accessory
structure on a [.70-acre parcel having SBL#
078.13-1-14.1 located in an R-3 Single Family
Residential District under Section 350-36 of the
Code of the Town of Webster which was seconded
by Derek Meixell.
PRELIMINARY/FINAL APPROVAL ACCESSORY BUILDING
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The lot is restricted to one accessory building.
. The building is to conform to the size and location presented on the plan
The placement of the building shall conform to all setback requirements
. The building shall not be placed nearer to the front property line than the rear
line or footprint of the main building or residence upon the lot.
No point on the building will be higher than the existing structure.
No commercial use shall occur on the parcel.
The accessory building shall be used for personal use only, as defined by Town
Code
Significant construction shall occur within one year, as deemed by the Planning
Board, to expire on March 7, 2024
. Comply with all requirements of any State, County, and Town agency.
10. V1.
12.
13.
14. All site work is to be in compliance with the standards of the Town of Webster
Subject to all engineering and governmental approvals
Subject to all appropriate governmental fees
Subject to resolution of final approved minutes
Applicant did receive variance from the Zoning Board.
VOTE:
Mr. Anderson AYE
Mr. Kosel AYE
Mr. Malta AYE
Mr. Meixell AYE
Mr. Casciani ABSENT
Mr. Giardina AYE
Mrs. Wright AYE
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[
RESOLUTION 23-032 Dave Malta a made a motion for FINAL
Located at 233 Inspiration
Point Road. Applicant Martin Parent is requesting
FINAL SITE PLAN APPROVAL (PUBLIC
HEARING) associated with the construction of a
1,040 SF accessory structure on a 1.70-acre parce!
having SBL# 078.13-1-14.1 located in an R-3
Single Family Residential District under Section
350-36 of the Code of the Town of Webster which
was seconded by John Kosel.
Afl conditions apply as stated for preliminary approval.
VOTE:
Mr. Anderson AYE
Mr. Kosel AYE
Mr. Malta AYE
Mr. Meixell AYE
Mr. Casciani ABSENT
Mr. Giardina AYE
Mrs. Wright AYE
(Mark Giardina read the fifth application):
Located at the southwest corner of Lake and Phillips
Roads. Applicant 169 Phillips Rd, LLC is requesting FINAL SITE PLAN & SUBDIVISION
APPROVAL associated with the construction of (4) single-family residences on an existing
10.61-acre parcel having SBL# 050.01-1-65.11 located in an R-1 Single Family Residential
District under Sections 269-10 and 296-19 of the Code of the Town of Webster.
Appearing before the board was Don Lewis with DH Lewis and Engineering here again to seek
final approval for the four-lot subdivision. | think the last condition that we that was holding up
the final approval after the preliminary approval was the SWPPP with the Town Engineer. We
had set up a meeting and it was probably a week or week and a half after the last PB meeting to
go over what the Town Engineer was looking for. As far as that goes, I have submitted
something to Josh and Mary, and she is currently reviewing that now so. I believe that was the
final thing.
I have received all county comments now and they are pretty much all notes and form work in
nature; DOT AND WATER AUTHORITY and the Health Department, so those will be applied
to the plans as well. I have already given revised plans to the Town Engineer and Josh in regards
tothe last PB and department comments so.
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Ok, you complied with everything that we asked you for the last time and does
anyone have any questions on this. We pretty much asked it all last time.
Last meeting we just asked for the clarification of the drawings showing the
flag lots and the updated drawings do show the flag lots.
Ok, we have the situation resolved on Lake Road, the extension, Any questions or
concerns?
Is Mary still reviewing the stormwater? Is there something that is pending?
Not anything that would affect the ultimate layout of the plan, so we don’t
anticipate there being any issues.
It is the towns compliance for as the INAUDIBLE so. She must have that in
place before she can sign off. She will sign off the acceptance letter the report that I report to her
with all the SHPPO and all that stuff. Just a compilation of a whole bunch of information.
RESOLUTION 23-033 Dave Malta made a motion for FINAL
APPROVAL Located at the southwest corner of
Lake and Phillips Roads. Applicant 169 Phillips Rd,
LLC is requesting FINAL SITE PLAN &
SUBDIVISION APPROVAL associated with the
construction of (4) single-family residences on an
existing 10.61-acre parcel having SBL# 050.01- 1-
65.11 located in an R-! Single Family Residential
District under Sections 269-10 and 296-19 of the
Code of the Town of Webster which was seconded
by John Kosel.
CONDITIONS:
1. Subject to Project Review Committee comments
Subject to Parks and Recreation fees (If applicable).
Subject to Preliminary Approval conditions.
Subject to all applicable governmental fees.
Subject to Department of Public Works approvals.
Significant construction shall occur within one year, as deemed by the
Planning Board, to expire March 7, 2024.
7. The conditions of Preliminary and Final approval are depicted on the cover page
of the final
8. designed plans.
9. The Engineer for the proposed project shall provide a Letter of Certification
that all proposed work was completed, as per Planning Board resolution of
final approval before a Certificate of Occupancy will be issued.
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10.A Letter of Credit to the Town for the project shall include the fee for the
Engineer's final Certification inspection of the site.
11. All storm water facilities are to be constructed first.
12. All downspouts to be connected to the storm sewer system.
13. Subject to resolution of final approved minutes.
14. Approvals are subject to Drawing No: Dated:
VOTE:
Mr. Anderson AYE
Mr. Kosel AYE
Mr. Malta AYE
Mr. Meixell AYE
Mr. Casciant ABSENT
Mr. Giardina AYE
Mrs. Wright AYE
(Mark Giardina read the sixth application):
Located at 943 Ridge Road. Applicant Al Larue
of McMahon-Larue Associates is requesting SKETCH PLAN REVIEW associated with the
construction of a 3,379 SF addition to an existing auto dealership on a 4.82-acre parcel having
SBL # 079, 15-1-22,104 located in an MC Medium Intensity Commercial District under
Section 269-5 of the Code of the Town of Webster.
* A pplication tabled to the April 4, 2023, Meeting*
RESOLUTION 23-034 John Kosel made a motion to TABLE
APPLICATION TO April 4, 2023 MEETING
which was seconded by Derek Meixell.
VOTE:
Mr. Anderson AYE
Mr. Kosel AYE
Mr. Malta AYE
Mr. Meixell AYE
Mr. Casciani ABSENT
Mr. Giardina AYE
Mrs. Wright AYE
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[_ ADMINISTRATIVE MATTER:
Minutes were approved for February 7, 2023.
With no other applications before the Board this evening Dave Malta concluded tonight's
mecting at 7:45 PM.
Respectfully Submitted,
Sighed“ 4 (th. Fotis tom Dated A[4/ 203
Mark Giardina, Secretary
Katherine Kolich, Recording Secretary
FILED WEBSTER THN CLK
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