WEBSTER TOWN PLANNING BOARD MINUTES
Webster Town Board Mecting Room 1002 Ridge Road
7:00 p.m.
4 April 2023
ABSENT:
Dave Malta, Vice Chairman Anthony Casciani, Chairman
Mark Giardina, Secretary Derek Anderson
John Kosel Derek Meixcll
Jennifer Wright
Kyle Taylor, Attorney
Josh Artuso, Director of Community Development
Katherine Kolich, Recording Secretary
Welcome to the April 4" Webster Planning Board meeting. Please join us in the
Pledge of Allegiance. Thank you. A couple of notes tonight, we are missing three board
members, so we only have four which is enough for a quorum but if we have to vote on any
issue, it will have to be unanimous. Everybody presenting tonight has a right to be heard in front
of a full board, so if anyone wishes to table their application till next month they certainly can. |
don’t know if there is anyone here who would want to do that. If so, please say so now. If not,
we will keep going. (ALL. APPLICANTS WANTED TO PROCEED)
Tonight, we have two tabled matters and give scheduled matters. Do you want to read the first
one?
Roll call
Summary overview of outcome:
TABLED MATTERS
:
G & HAUTO SALES-SIGN-1021 FIVE MILE LINE ROAD
DSB Engineers
SIGN APPROVED AS PRESENTED. PLANNING BOARD WILL SEND LETTER
OF RECOMMENDATION TO THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS.
MARINA DODGE JEEP EXPANSION-943 RIDGE ROAD
Al LaRue
SKETCH PLAN REVIEW: PLANNING BOARD WILL SEND LETTER OF
RECOMMENDATION TO THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS.
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SCHEDULED MATTERS
:
LOWES SEASONAL OUTDOOR DISPLAYS-900 FIVE MILE LINE ROAD
Hansy Araujo
APPROVED DISPLAYS AND DATES AS PRESENTED
QUICKLEE’S -SIGN-873 HOLT ROAD
Jim Colombo
APPROVED AS PRESENTED
OASIS GROCERY HOUSE-SIGN-807 RIDGE ROAD
Amy Catalano
APPROVED AS PRESENTED
STUDCO BUILDING SYSTEMS-SIGN-545 BASKET ROAD
Kirk Wright
APPROVED AS PRESENTED
HARBOR FREIGHT-SIGN-950 RIDGE ROAD
Kirk Wright
Status; APPROVED AS PRESENTED
(Mark Giardina read the first application):
G & H AUTO SALES: Located at 1021 Five Mile Line Road. Applicant DSB Engineers is
requesting SIGN APPROVAL to allow a 28.3 SF building mounted fagade sign & SKETCH
PLAN REVIEW associated with the construction of a 6-space front parking / display area for G
& H Auto Sales on a 0.74-acre parcel having SBL# 079.18-1-1 located in a CO Commercial
Outdoor Storage District under Sections 265-7 & 269-5 of the Code of the Town of Webster.
Appearing before the board was Walt Baker with DSB Engineering and with me tonight is Mr.
Haldon Inc, the owner of G & H Auto at 1021 Five Mile Line Road. As was mentioned by the
board, we are here tonight for sign approval and sketch plan review for a six-space parking area
located in the commercial outdoor storage area district which is allowed for auto dealerships.
Regarding the sign approval request, we submitted an clevation detail for the building mounted
sign illustrating the size and the proposed colors. The dealership sign does comply with the code
which requires the size not to exceed 10% of the building’s fagade. That would equate to the
building’s fagade 10% would work out to be a sign that would be 55.2 square feet and we are
proposing 28 square fect and that was noted on the plan as well.
As stated, the business sign would be building mounted sign and not have any lighting. There
wouldn't be any back lighting or ground mounted lighting proposed. The material would be
aluminum composite material with digital lettering in earthtone colors, which we submitted to
the board. The 8 ¥2 X [1 and it is also on our drawing which I brought with me tonight and the
detail sheet.
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The second part of our application is to review placing six parking spaces in front of the building
for display vehicles only. As the board is aware, the site was limited in size and per the code we
received variances ten years ago and we started this project and since then Mr. Haldon has been
working on the site but limited most of his advertising is done through the internet and basically
what he is requesting now is to display parking in front of the building so he can be more visible
and basically comply with the traditional car dealership where you see a vehicle displayed at the
sites.
Haldon can also attest to the fact that potential buyers are having difficulty recognizing that the
site is there and a car dealership and by having the sign which obviously he wants to have it
mounted and also to display vehicles which other car dealerships in the area are accustomed to
having. It would help his business grow and presently it is just advertising. He has stated to me
that he had some potential buyers that came to the site and couldn’t find it and they ended up and
the corner dealership. I can see where his frustration is coming into play, and I know he has
been there for quite a while. I would also like to say, the whole time that Haldon has owned the
business he has never violated the Planning Board approvals which he received ten years ago and
also (wo years ago when we were here for expansion of the rear parking area, he has never once
parked a vehicle or display a vehicle in the front yard. He has always adhered to the
requirements of the code. So, basically at this time we would like to have the boards approva! for
the signage and also get a positive recommendation because we do know, in order to park the
vehicles in the front, there is a fifty-foot buffer zone that is required in the outdoors display
district, and we will have to go to the Zoning Board to get that. So, do you have any questions?
Do we need an address for the sign? A numeric number.
Only if it is a monument sign.
| am sure you probably have some kind of numbers on the building.
We do have numbers on the building now.
Ok, we should do the sign first. Does anyone have any questions on the sign?
Will it be illuminated?
No sir.
Is there going to be any goose neck lighting or a spotlight or anything?
Oh, ] know what you mean. No, he is going to comply with the requirements as
stated. We are not going to have a backlit sign; he is not going to have any kind of goose neck or
ground lighting. He primarily does his business during the daylight hours,
I agree that he definitely needs a sign out there. Because no one would guess that it
is an auto dealership of any kind. So, definitely a sign is important.
In the zoning district, he is actually north would be up so this auto (NOT USING
THE MIC, CAN NOT REALLY HEAR WELL) ts on the corner and then the American Legion
and he is there. The zoning is actually two more properties further north where the zoning line
changes so he is not at the edge of the zoning line.
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Does anyone else have anything else? (Board: NO) Ok, why don’t we go ahead and
approve the sign and we will gel into the sketch plan afterwards. Does somcone want to make a
sign approval first?
Do we want to do SEQR for the sign?
I don’t have SEQR for the sign. How about:
Town of Webster Planning Board considered the request by Applicant, G & H Auto Sales,
Located at 1025 Five Mile Line Road. DSB Engincers 1s requesting SIGN APPROVAL to install
two to allow a 28.3 SF building mounted sign.
The Planning Board classifies the proposed action to be a Type II Action under Section
617.5(c)(2) of the State Environmental Review (SEQR) Regulations and therefore is not subject
to further review.
RESOLUTION 23-035 John Kosel made a motion for TYPE ITSEQR
which was seconded by Jennifer Wright.
VOTE:
Mr. Anderson ABSENT
Mr. Kosel AYE
Mr. Malta AYE
Mr. Meixell ABSENT
Mr. Casciani ABSENT
Mr. Giardina AYE
Mrs, Wright AYE
RESOLUTION 23-036
Jennifer Wright a made a motion for SIGN
APPROVAL Located at 1021 Five Mile Line
Road. Applicant DSB Engineers is requesting to
allow a 28.3 SF building mounted facade sign
display area for G & H Auto Sales on a 0.74-acre
parcel having SBL# 079.18-1-1 located in a CO
Commercial Outdoor Storage District under
Sections 265-7 & 269-5 of the Code of the Town of
Webster which was seconded by Dave Malta.
VOTE:
Mr. Anderson ABSENT
Mr. Kosel AYE
Mr, Malta AYE
Mr. Meixell ABSENT
Mr, Casciani ABSENT
Mr. Giardina AYE
Mrs, Wright AYE
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Ok, now we will get into the sketch plan. It has been brough up a couple of times
that the applicant is asking for a variance to allow parking in front when they were told that they
would not be able to park as part of the approval for the parking expansion. Actually, Fam the
one that probably stipulated that. If 1 remember correctly.
I think it was.
The reason for it was his business was not a retail business and set up like most
retail businesses. So, I didn’t want to sec cars parked on the grass. [fhe came in wanting to have
that space done in the beginning, fortunately | would have had no problem with it. So,
evidentially his business has changed, and now not only does he need the sign, but he needs
something that shows that, that is some kind of an automobile dealership. Right now, it is Justa
house, and nobody would know it. So, | just want to clarify the reason for that stipulation at that
time. Now, we are under a different time and business has changed and as far as a 25-foot
setback in the CO district, 25 foot is pretty much normal or less, An example would be the auto
dealership right on the corner. Which probably has five feet but up and down Ridge Road for the
most part, there is no more than 25 feet, so 1 don’t have any objection to that either. Those are
my feelings on it. I will certainly open it up to any questions or whatever,
So, you have no objection to having the parking there now as long as it has the
appropriate setback, but you would like to see it paved, that is what I heard you say as opposed
to parking on the grass.
Yes, not in the grass. It has to be either stone or paved and look like a display area.
Nothing on the grass at all and also probably some small amount of landscaping in the front to
kind of pick it up a little bit.
| would tend to agree. | think that is a reasonable compromise.
Again, the property itself because you all know it was previously a house and the
zoning changed over the years and now it is a commercial outdoor display area, and the house
was actually setback 57 fect from the right of way and the setback for the commercial zoning the
CO zoning is actually 75 feet so ten years ago we got a variance obviously because it was
preexisting nonconforming and also the CO district has a 50 foot buffer zone and again, as the
chairman mentioned, it is a little excessive and obviously these preexisting properties can not
really comply with that in order to have a traditional looking dealership and create it so it has
more of an appearance as that. We would like to have display parking in the front and not
customer parking. Customers will go around and park in the back and at least he will have
visibility and be known as a car dealership by having these vehicles out front and similar to what
is on the corner which basically used to be a gas station back in the day. | worked on that site
years ago as well. | have done the Doyle site; crossed the street when it used to be Phichler, I did
that site. Up and down the road basically.
It already received the variance is thal or it needs to receive the variance?
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We received the building variance because the existing building is 57 feet, and the
code is 75 so now the buffer is 50 feet, and we are just 57 feet with the building so our buffer
zone is consuming our whole front yard. So, we are basically looking for a 25-foot variance.
And it is not consistent. Unfortunately, or fortunately, either way, itis pretty
consistent with what goes on in that area.
So, a 25-foot variance you would be able to get six cars.
And a drive isle in order to maneuver and park them so they are perpendicular to the
road . So, yes, it works out to 25 feet with the town code parking. We could conceivably have
$1x spaces and then a drive3 aisle so he can maneuver the vehicles and park them. It would not
be for anyone turning around and no customer parking. That would still be in the back.
So as long as it is, it sounds like it is an agreeable solution as long as the cars
are parked in a stone or paved area as opposed to on the grass, 1 don’t see why not.
Nothing on the grass. What about and ] have not seen it at this place, but transports.
How do you transport the cars in? Does it come in carrier or small carrier?
The answer to your question Mr. Malta, small carrier sometimes or but sometime
the carrier we usually use American Legion parking fot.
Ok, I just want to specify that absolutely under no conditions is there going to be
any loading or unloading of cars on Five Mile Line Road. We have issues up on Ridge Road
with some who still don’t comply. You cannot have any tractor trailers or carriers parked on
Five Mile Line Road loading or unloading.
J understand.
Do you have an agreement with the American Legion to load cars on their property?
Yes, basically when they need a parking lot during their fundraisers, I] allow them
to use my parking lot and then they have no issues.
(speaking to the board) Would he need to show an agreement with (he American
Legion to the town here?
No, to INAUDIBLE onto his property you know, I don’t care if i's the American
Legion, but it has to be on their property, and they have plenty room in the back that a modern
size carrier can certainly turn around there. Any other questions?
Jog my memory for a moment, when we granted permission, did we include
preliminary final because I have an original document here and it says type of application, site
plan review with sign permit and then tt says below preliminary final with sign permit.
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This is sketch plan tonight.
This is just sketch plan?
Yes, no approvals tonight. He will come back with the preliminary plan, or the next
meeting and we will go from there.
Yes, so this is scheduled to go in front of the Zoning Board next week so pending
the outcome of that we would bring it back and finish the process.
What I would like to do is send a letter, if the board is along with me on that to the
Zoning Board that we agree with this particular situation,
Yes, that makes sense and we have done that in the past.
Just a brief note.
Do we need to do a motion on thal note?
No
I don’t think so, just send them a friendly, hi and this is what we did.
[ think that is it until it comes back, right?
So, we will just tet] you to proceed to preliminary and we will give a
recommendation to the Zoning Board.
That would be great. | appreciate il.
See you next time.
Thank you very much.
{Mark Giardina read the second application):
Located at 943 Ridge Road. Applicant Al Larue of
McMahon-Larue Associates is requesting SKETCH PLAN REVIEW associated with the
construction of a 3,379 SF addition to an existing auto dealership on a 4.82-acre parce] having
SBL # 079, 15-1-22.104 located in an MC Medium Intensity Commercial District under
Section 269-5 of the Code of the Town of Webster.
Appearing before the board was Al LaRue with McMahon and LaRue Associates. Good
evening, With me tonight is John Gabriele and John Spoleta. On the phone, if we need the
architect to answer any questions on the new building, we can catch him by phone but like a lot
of people this weck, he is on vacation, but he is available and expecting something. The former
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plan is 3,379 SF addition to the front of the building in an area that is covered by blacktop now
and they are going to change the access to the service department to accommodate the expansion.
The existing building 1s 18846 square feet, so this is about al7.9 percent addition. No change in
the impervious. Next weck we are going to the Zoning Board for the extension of the special use
permit so we will get that next week . (NOT USING THE MIC, HARD TO HEAR/SHOWING
ON THE PLANS) The plan in the grey area is going to be disturbed. The blacktop will be taken
out and the entrance into the service area and parking relocating and handicapped parking will
be down just to the south of where the existing entrance is into the service area and then there is
going to be a sidewalk and the hatched area in the blacktop up to this point and then there is an
area through the building over to the elevators in this location, Over on this side, are going to be
the other (wo handicapped parking spaces and this area is right over there will be reconfigured
grade wise to accommodate that. In the front of the building, very unusual, we have a really
steep grade there. The sidewalk will come across the front of the building. (PICKS UP MIC)
The area in the front is going to be concrete and what we designed in there is fake boulders and
so what is going to happen is... this is a jeep dealership and when the jeeps come in this is just
strictly for display, they will be up on their side; up and over and that sort of thing so! know
there is a steep grade here but that is perfect for showing off the product. As far as entering the
building there is going to be a door right here and it flattens off the sidewalk so that a jeep can
get into that display area. So, lots of fun. Do you have any questions for me or John or anybody
else?
You brought this to us before, has anything changed since the last time you were
here?
No.
I didn’t think so. I thought we did a sketch plan already,
No, they presented it at PRC, not the Planning Board. So, I think you may have
been in attendance for ihat PRC meeting.
You are right.
Yes, so this is their first trip here,
Yes, this is the same as PRC.
Back then, | commented that I like this plan and I like the new entrance into the
service department. | didn’t like the old one. I think it is conducive to that particular product. It
makes the service area a little more welcoming.
Now going into the service department, itis straight in from the road vs. you come
down the hill and have to make that hard left turn and if there was a couple of people waiting, it
was kind of difficult. There will be a wall between the parking spaces where the jeeps are going
to be displayed on the conerete and so there is going to be a vertical wall there just because of the
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grade. We have got to get from the finished floor down to the floor of the existing service area,
so the wall is figured into it. There will be some electrical and that will all be reconfigured, and
we are working on that now with RGE.
There were a couple of comments by another board member who is not here
tonight, but he gave me a few of these in writing so I will read them. First of all, Aas applicant
submitted a response to the PRC comments?
I don’t know if [ have or not. I don’t know if | have received them. Ihave ali our
correspondence, so I don’t know if I received the PRC comments. Did I?
Josh Artuso; Yes, they were sent probably at the beginning of February, so it was a while back. |
have a copy if you'd like
The other comment was There does not appear to be room for cars to access the
handicapped parking areas. Provide details on accessibility to the parking spots such as Auto
Turn results. (FY1- Auto Turn is an application that runs in AutoCAD that shows the path a
vehicle takes. It shows the tires and how the corners of the car overhang during a turn.)
Ido remember these now. We did address those items on the plan but not officially in
writing, but we did address all these items. Regarding the issue of getting into these parking
spaces, we have removed some parking along (SHOWING ON THE PLANS) this area here so
that has been done. A 25-foot drive aisle. We have complied with all the requirements of the
Engineering Department.
Where are the wetlands identified on the SEQR form?
Pardon me?
Where are the wetlands identified on the SEQR form?
There are no wetlands on the site. That is automatically done with the SEQR. It was
downloaded from DEC. There are no wetlands in this area.
And now my favorite. Where do the tractor trailers park for delivering cars?
In the back.
Do you have plenty of room in the back?
Yes. (SHOWING ON THE PLANS) They come straight through, and | have seen
them park in here and John can maybe even answer better than that.
For Marina Dodge. (SHOWING ON THE PLANS) So, the entrance off of Ridge
Road has always been the same.
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It allows for a tractor trailer from Ridge Road to drive down the driveway and they unload back
here and when they are done unloading, they drive out to Shoecraft and so they will exit that way
and go back oul to the expressway that way.
Are the previously approved charging stations a separate business with separate
electric service and transformer? OR is that part of your business?
That is a good questions so the level 3 charging stations that are now up in the
front of the building, they do have a separate service 400 amp service that took an act of god to
get RGE to actually hook up the electric and they are finally on line now so they come off the
pool (SHOWING ON THE PLANS} there is a panel box that is there that powers those two
charging stations and they each have two heads. They are level three chargers and those are the
ones that are first of their kind anywhere in this town and they are designed to charge a full
electric vehicle, 80% within 20 minutes and a 100% within an hour and they do require that an
individual either has an account with lets say, Tesla or you could just use your credit card, but
you do have to pay for the electric. Unless it is something that we are doing for ourselves, but
we don’t presently sell a full electric vehicle in any of the products that we sell but they are
coming so we are kind of head of the curve. We also have level 2 chargers on the outside of the
buildings and as part of this expansion, we will actually add a few more probably along the
building or along the back and some inside.
He also takes about the green space. /s the existing grassy area actually green space
from an earlier approval? What exists? Your front 1s existing, and you do a nice job landscaping
it.
] sure hope so. We sure spend enough on it. | take a lot of pride in that, and I
know you guys used us in the past as an example of what you would like to see landscaping look
like, We are not disturbing any of that up in the front or along the sides so. It all has to do
mostly with an area that has no landscaping at all or its asphalt or building.
So, this is less to do with the plan but the sign, are you going to be making any
changes to the sign because I noticed the sign and I don’t know if it is weather damaged, or wind
damaged.
The monument sign that 1s missing the letter?
The building mounted sign.
The building mounted sign, | am glad to see you are paying allention to
(LAUGHTER). So, what happened, that sign was recently...they put new LED lights inside of
that and for whatever the reason one of the letters that was holding it on with the one storm that
came through blew it away and itis maintained by the company so Thad to submit to Clinton
Signs and they will repair that as well if you look on my monument sign, there is a letter thal is
missing in that and I don’t know how or why that stuff happens.
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The entrance to the service area, how many cars can you keep there between the
garage door and the road?
So, one of the big things that we are going there, we currently have this single
lane service drive. This is going to be a two lane and you can fit six cars inside there. So, itis a
substantial improvement from what we have now and plus when you pull into the garage, there is
actually some room there, there is going to be a new car delivery so we can actually deliver
people their cars especially when we get the inclement weather from the inside of the building.
That was one thing that we drew into the plan. | don’t know tf you have the full set of plans that
GLA has prepared if you only have this drawing. I believe they submitted. Whatever we
brought to the PRC meeting a month or so ago, it should be about the same. At present, the only
other building that looks like that in this area would be the brand-new Victor Dodge Chrysler
Jeep store in Victor and that was ground up. I have always felt that we have something that
is...I’m proud of and I hope the town is as well and I] think this is just going to take it to a whole
other level.
I agree. You do a nice job there. It always looks look and it’s a good example. Are
there any other questions/concerns? Board: No. Ok, you can proceed to preliminary and will see
you next time.
So, they are also scheduled to go to the Zoning Board next week because this is an
expansion of a preexisting nonconforming use so if the board wishes, they could also send a
Jetter of support.
Ok, let’s send a letter.
(Mark Giardina read the third application):
Located at 900 Five Mile Line Road.
Located at 900 Five Mile Line Road. Applicant Lowe’s Home Centers LLC, represented by
Hansy Araujo, is requesting permission to allow periodic seasonal displays of merchandise in
front of the building on an 18.21-acre parce! having SBL# 079.10-1-02.2, located in a HC High
Intensity Commercial District.
Appearing before the board was Hansy Araujo and I am the store manager for the Lowes in
Webster. I want to start out by saying Thank you for allowing my store to present tonight. As we
plan to seasonally merchandise product on the front apron of the store. Webster is known for
“Where life is worth living” and with your acceptance here tonight I would like to assist in our
community to beautify their homes and provide them with the right products. I provided you
with an tlustration of what this will look like in front of our store, and we plan to meet all fire
guidelines by not crossing into any fire lanes, keeping the area clean and organized and safe for
all our community.
As a fairly new resident of the town, | know how important it is to uphold the image that we are
trying lo portray, and I can ensure you that we will maintain the image throughout the season. If
you are open to any questions or comments, | would be more than happy to answer.
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This 1s a yearly thing al least for as long as I have been associated with the town
and this board. Personally speaking, I think that you folks do a very nice job. It is clean and nice.
The garden area is very well kept. There was one issue a while back and was taken care of with
regards to storing some stuff at the side of the, well actually it would be close to the turnabout
there, but it was taken care of. So, Tam just giving you my thoughts on it. As IT said, you have
been doing this for years and you do a very fine job.
Thank you.
| agree. It is an annual thing, and we make it annual just to make sure it is always
pretty nice, and it is, and you guys do a nice job.
They normally send a Jetter to the town making a request, did you do that?
Yes, | did myself and [am new to the store and some of the associates, who do
live in Webster, made me aware that it was something that was presented to the board, Whether
or not it was, I just wanted to make sure that | made myself present because as a new store
manager there | wanted to make sure that we are not crossing any boundaries are crossing any
restricted areas so the last thing that I was to do is ruffle some feathers. So, I just wanted to make
sure we were all in line.
I] have a copy of the letter here. You are talking about and just for the record:
April 5-April 10 fer Easter
April 14-April 28 for Spring Fest
May 24-June 2 for Memorial Day
June 30-July 9 for Independence Day
August 29-September 8 for Labor Day.
Again, from what | had heard from the associates in the store was that il was very
limited as far as the time of year we can merchandise out front. | would be more than willing to
do it all year around if you approve it, but these would be major promotional events that are
customers would be coming into the store and if I have the access to provide more merchandise
out front and make iu casier for them to pick it up out front, these would be the dates.
Ok, any other questions or concerns?
We are going to need a SEQR on this.
| have one here.
No SEQR, it has always just been a courtesy because | was on the board many
years ago when this first started and it was a courtesy that Lowes always does and the board
always appreciated it and appreciates how you keep the building and I think the displays are out
year around in front of the building it’s just there are extra things during those weeks that you
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hadn’t read, just to make sure that was clear because there are always displays in front of Lowes
but thank you.
There is no motion required. Thank you.
(Mark Giardina read the fourth application):
QUICKLEE’S SIGN; Located at 873 Holt Road. Applicant Jim Colombo of Skylight Signs is
requesting SIGN APPROVAL for (1) 14.5 SF building mounted fagade sign to reflect the name
change of the mini-mart on a 1.529-acre parece! having SBL# 079.08-1-8./GAS located in an OP
Core Arca North Office Park District under Section 265-7 of the Code of the Town of Webster.
Appearing before the board was Lou Terraovoli and | am the Director of Real Estate
Development for Quicklee’s, and | am here tonight for Jim to present the sign permit application.
As you said in the introduction, the sign itself will identify the Quicklee’s convenience store with
just the word QUICKLEE’S at the Holt Road location.
The total height of the sign will be 24 inches, 2 feet with the width, 7 feet 3 inches and the total
sign area is 14.5 square feet and that represents about 8% of the frontage of the building.
Currently the site has no identification for Quicklee’s anywhere on the building or the canopy.
So, we would like to raise the visibility of our site and add Quicklee’s to the front and if you
have any questions, I would be happy to address them.
Is the white area opaque?
The white area, it’s a black out white so at night you will just see the Quicklee’s
letters.
Has it been Quicklee’s?
Yes, it just hasn't had identification.
Is anything changing on the canopy?
No
| think it looks nice and it is very well balanced on the building. | don’t have
any questions,
John Kosel:
RESOLUTION
Town of Webster Planning Board considered the request by Applicant, Jim Colombo of Skylight
signs to install a 14.5 SF building mounted fagade sign for Quick lees, located at 873 Holt Road.
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The Planning Board classifies the proposed action to be a Type II Action under Section
617.5(c)(2) of the State Environmental Review (SEQR) Regulations and therefore is not subject
to further review.
RESOLUTION 23-037 John Kosel made a motion for TYPE IL SEQR
which was seconded by Mark Giardina.
VOTE:
Mr. Anderson ABSENT
Mr. Kosel AYE
Mr. Malta AYE
Mr. Meixell ABSENT
Mr. Casciani ABSENT
Mr. Giardina AYE
Mrs. Wright AYE
RESOLUTION 23-038
John Kosel a made a motion for SIGN
APPROVAL Located at 873 Holt Road. Applicant
Jim Colombo of Skylight Signs is requesting SIGN
APPROVAL for (1) 14.5 SF building mounted
facade sign to reflect the name change of the mini-
mart on a 1.529-acre parcel having SBL# 079.08- |
8./GAS located in an OP Core Area North Office
Park District under Section 265-7 of the Code of the
Town of Webster which was seconded by Dave
Malta.
VOTE:
Mr. Anderson ABSENT
Mr. Kosel AYE
Mr. Malta AYE
Mr. Meixe!}l ABSENT
Mr. Casciant ABSENT
Mr. Giardina AYE
Mrs. Wright AYE
(Mark Giardina read the fifth application):
Located at 807 Ridge Road. Applicant Amy Catalano of
Vilal Signs is requesting SIGN APPROVAL for (1) 29 SF building mounted fagade sign to
reflect a new business within the Webster Woods Plaza on a 3.54-acre parcel having SBL#
079.18-1-69.111 located in an MC Medium Intensity Commercial District under Section 265-7
of the Code of the Town of Webster.
Appearing before the board was Josh Palmer from Vital Signs and representing Oasis Grocery
House. We are proposing a 130° by 35.5”, 29 square foot sign. Itis not illuminated and there are
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existing goosenecks that have been on that building and go above cach sign for each business so
that will be the external illumination. These are raised letters off of this too and are /2 inch
raised letters coming off an aluminum composite panel, so it’s pretty cut and dry.
Was there an old sign up there?
I don’t know what is existing there right now. [kind of came in as a stand in who
was nol feeling well, so. [am not sure if there needs to be a removal, but I am sure there was a
sign there before
H the fagade needs to be repaired or whatever.
Are sign should be the sign size if not slightly larger. I think everything in that
plaza is 120 inches and the previous ones were 120 x 30, and they were five inches bigger so
anything that was there should be covered with what we do.
John Kosel; Ok.
Any questions?
We don’t need any numbers for the sign, right?
No
Just checking.
I don’t have any questions. I was interested in Oasis Grocery House and
looking forward to seeing what it all entails.
John Kosel:
RESOLUTION
Town of Webster Planning Board considered the request by Applicant, Amy Catalano of Vita!
Signs to install a 13.5 sf building mounted fagade sign for Oasis Grocery House located at 807
Ridge Road, Building E.
The Planning Board classifies the proposed action to be a Type I Action under Section
617.5(c)(2) of the State Environmental Review (SEQR) Regulations and therefore is not subject
to further review.
RESOLUTION 23-039 John Kosel made a motion for TYPE IT SEQR
which was seconded by Mark Giardina.
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VOTE:
Mr. Anderson ABSENT
Mr. Kosel AYE
Mr. Malta AYE
Mr. Meixell ABSENT
Mr. Casciani ABSENT
Mr. Giardina AYE
Mrs. Wright AYE
RESOLUTION 23-040
Jennifer Wright made a motion for FINAL
APPROVAL Located at 807 Ridge Road.
Applicant Amy Catalano of Vital Signs is
requesting SIGN APPROVAL for (1) 29 SF
building mounted fagade sign to reflect a new
business within the Webster Woods Plaza on a
3.54-acre parcel having SBL# 079.18- 1-69.11 1
located in an MC Medium Intensity Commercial
District under Section 265-7 of the Code of the
Town of Webster which was seconded by Dave
Malta.
VOTE:
Mr. Anderson ABSENT
Mr. Kosel AYE
Mr. Malta AYE
Mr. Meixell ABSENT
Mr. Casciani ABSENT
Mr. Giardina AYE
Mrs. Wright AYE
(Mark Giardina read the sixth application):
Located at 545 Basket Road. Applicant Kirk
Wright of Sign & Lighting Services LLC is requesting SIGN APPROVAL to construct a 41
SF monument sign on a 11.80-acre parcel having SBL# 066.01-2-4.3 located in an IN
Industrial District under Section 265-7 of the Code of the Town of Webster.
Appearing before the board was Kirk Wright , Sign and Light Services 530 State Road, 104,
Ontario, New York. The board saw a similar sign, but it was non-compliant, it was (oo tall.
Went back to the customer and we redesigned it is the same materials. It is a diabond panel with
some standoffs with some white diabond panels that we will use as future tenant panels and the
sign ts lower and complics to the code.
You did a good job taking our recommendations. I really like the siga.
Thank you.
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Did you do the same sign on. There is one like this out on Salt Road too,
No
There is a nice-looking sign on Salt Road that is very similar.
Oh well if it is nice then it's probably mine there then. (LAUGHTER)
And they have the address on their two.
Ok, as far as I] can see, tt complies with everything as far as setback and size. Any
questions/concerns? Board: No.
John Kosel:
RESOLUTION
Town of Webster Planning Board considered the request by Applicant, Kirk Wright of Sign &
Lighting Services Inc. to install a 24.8 SF monument sign for Studco Building Systems located at
545 Basket Road on an 1!.80-acre parcel having SBL# 066.01 -2- 4.3.
The Planning Board classifies the proposed action to be a Type II Action under Section
617,5(c)(9) of the State Environmental Review (SEQR) Regulations and therefore is not subject
to further review.
They only changed theirs. It’s a 41 and I think you said the last one was 29 and
this one is a 4 square foot sign.
Ok, ] am sorry, he has the wrong wording here. Yes, that is correct. Thank you,
Jennifer.
RESOLUTION 23-041 John Kose] made a motion for TYPE I] SEQR
which was seconded by Mark Giardina.
VOTE:
Mr. Anderson ABSENT
Mr. Kosel AYE
Mr. Malta AYE
Mr. Meixell ABSENT
Mr. Casciani ABSENT
Mr. Giardina AYE
Mrs. Wright AYE
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RESOLUTION 23-042 Dave Malta made a motion for FINAL
APPROVAL Located at 545 Basket Road.
Applicant Kirk Wright of Sign & Lighting
Services LLC is requesting SIGN APPROVAL
to construct a 41 SF monument sign ona 11.80-
acre parcel having SBL# 066.01 -2-4.3 located in
an IN Industrial District under Section 265-7 of
the Code of the Town of Webster which was
seconded by Mark Giardina.
VOTE:
Mr. Anderson ABSENT
Mr. Kosel AYE
Mr. Malta AYE
Mr. Meixell ABSENT
Mr. Casciani ABSENT
Mr. Giardina AYE
Mrs, Wright AYE
(Mark Giardina read the seventh application):
Located at 950 Ridge Road. Applicant Kirk Wright is
requesting SIGN APPROVAL for (1) building mounted fagade sign and associated tenant panel
on existing monument sign to reflect a new business within Webster Square Plaza on a 37.91-acre
parcel having SBL# 079.15-1-1.312 located in an HC High Intensity Commercial District
under Section 265-7 of the Code of the Town of Webster.
Appearing before the board was Kirk Wright with Sign and Lighting Service, Sign and Light
Services 530 State Road, 104, Ontario, New York and I do have the other sets if anyone wants
them. I’m working with Harbor Freight on their signage for their new build out. The existing
Kmart Store. The signage is consistent with other signs in the plaza currently and previously. It
will be illuminated channel letters; LED illumination with a tag line where the blue is opaque,
and the letters will illuminate and the same with the tenant panels and the white lettering will
illuminate and the background will be opaque as per town code.
I will go on record by saying their sign color is perfect. They really stick out.
White, blue, and red, you certainly can’t miss itand I know everyone seems to be happy about it.
The door or like a cut out there, is that going to stay a door or are we just acting
on the sign right now?
Kirk Wright: The door was relocated. They are
discussing the main entrance. (A LOT OF PAPER RATTLING)
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Printing Advisors: 8370 Wilshire Blvd, Beverly Hills, CA. Yes, that door
would be infield to match the existing materials that are there and then painted over to match the
national branding of Harbor Freight Tools.
Ok
You show a nice maroon stripe between the gray and the blue.
It is safety red.
That is different then the other red.
Do you mean blue and red?
That is their national prominent color. It is very distinctive, and ] think they
even have a trademark on it. The city scape with the gray matter is background and then the blue
and red are backers, yes.
I am concerned about the brightness of the safety red as far as conforming to the
rest of the building.
And to speak to that, there is a bit of gloss on the prints when they are printed
and it is milder, that is correct.
I don’t have an issue with the colors either because they way that the building
is, it kind of allows it to be separated.
| drove by earlier and I saw how Ollies was set up. Tam actually from the area
originally. I] used to buy toys at the old Kmart, so [ had to go back just to make sure they were
the exact same and I saw what we were, and Ollies is down much further to the right.
So, the red strip and the red for the front of the building is the same?
Correct, yes.
That is what is shows on one of these drawings and the other one shows much
brighter.
Yes, it’s hard with printers.
] was going to say, sometimes they don’t accept the print outs because of it.
They want the PDF.
When docs Harbor Freight expect to move in?
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We were anticipating starting construction at the end of this current month with
all our approvals from building and everything but the landlord had identified to us that they are
sull seeking their portion of their package being approved at the next Planning Board meeting so
we would probably start construction once that is approved. No later than the second week of
May, if everything gocs well.
That is good to see a new business coming into that.
I was going to say, that space has been vacant for a long time.
It is perfect for that spot.
Any question or concerns?
John Kosel:
RESOLUTION
Town of Webster Planning Board considered the request by Applicant, Kirk Wright of Sign and
Lighting Services to install a 177.31 sf building mounted sign and replace the panels on two
pylon signs for Harbor Freight located at 950 Ridge Road.
The Planning Board classifies the proposed action to be a Type If Action under Section
617.5(c)(2) of the State Environmental Review (SEQR) Regulations and therefore is not subject
to further review.
RESOLUTION 23-043 John Kosel made a motion for TYPE IT SEQR
which was seconded by Mark Giardina.
VOTE:
Mr. Anderson ABSENT
Mr. Kosel AYE
Mr. Malta AYE
Mr. Meixell ABSENT
Mr. Casciani ABSENT
Mr. Giardina AYE
Mrs. Wright AYE
RESOLUTION 23-044 Jennifer Wright made a motion for FINAL
APPROVAL Located at 950 Ridge Road.
Applicant Kirk Wright is requesting SIGN
APPROVAL for (1) building mounted facade sign
and associated tenant panel on existing monument
sign to reflect a new business within Webster
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Square Plaza on a 37.91-acre parcel having SBL#
079.15-1-1.312 located in an HC High Intensity
Commercial District under Section 265-7 of the
Code of the Town of Webster which was
seconded by Mark Giardina.
VOTE:
Mr. Anderson ABSENT
Mr. Kosel AYE
Mr. Malta AYE
Mr. Meixell ABSENT
Mr. Casciani ABSENT
Mr. Giardina AYE
Mrs. Wright AYE
Iam sorry board; | have one other item. Josh and I were discussing the
removal of the nursey area on our plans and then the concrete loading dock, repaving for that
space as well. I did provide plans on the handouts there that I gave out to you guys earlier.
When I discussed with Josh in the background, the drawing were not quite ready on the 15" but
they were ready on the 17-20" I believe, and we had sent them over and we were hoping we
could discuss them so that this way we could have the planning aspect of that approved so this
way our building permit would still go in line with our anticipated construction. Josh said it was
at the discretion of the Planning Board and had discussed it previously.
What happened was, there were two proposals for this very same plaza. The
Widewaters owner of the plaza is going to be coming before the board next month for some
exterior changes to the parking lot and expanding of the curbs; reconfiguration of the loading
dock in the back so I had suggested that they join efforts (o try and combine the physical changes
to the site however, that was not feasible so because this was not advertised for a site plan
modification or site plan approval, I am proposing that this be considered as part of the
application that will be forth coming in May for the other exterior changes but that would not
necessarily require you (APPLICANT) to come back from California.
I would have a question, also if, is there any preliminary preview that could
conduct just to sec if there is anything that the board would like us to possibly address prior to
the next commission hearing just6 so this way we could have that in line for you guys.
So, you are looking to identify if there are any concerns ?
With the removal of the nursey area specifically and then the concrete loading
dock, just the repaving of it. (THERE ARE A LOT OF PAPERS RATTLING AND
CONVERSATIONS BEING HELD WHILE APPLICANT IS SPEAKING) Those were the two
concerns, right Josh?
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I don’t think we are prepared tonight but we will certainly look at it over the next 30
days and discuss when you come tn.
So just to confirm, you are proposing to remove what was formerly the outdoor
garden enclosure and...
Yes, correct and where that loading dock currently is, just repaving that and
upgrading the conditions to the existing loading dock and then there would be a weather
enclosure there as well which is depicted on the exterior clevations thal we provided.
INAUDIBLE request with your application and then we can certainly look it over
time, but I don’t think we can rightfully talk about it tonight.
[ will follow up with you and wil! review internally and we will get comments from
the board and go from there.
Ok, thank you for your time. Any other questions?
No, | think we are good, thank you and have a good night.
Minutes were approved for March 7, 2023.
With no other applications before the Board this evening Dave Malta concluded tonight’s
meeting at 8:15 PM.
Respectfully Submitted,
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Mark Giardina, Secretary
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