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Planning Minutes 2023.05.02

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WEBSTER TOWN PLANNING BOARD MINUTES

PLACE; Webster Town Board Meeting Room 1002 Ridge Road

TIME

7:00 p.m.

DATE

2 May 2023

PRESENT

ABSENT:

Anthony Casciani, Chairman Kyle Taylor, Attorney

Dave Malta, Vice Chairman Derek Anderson

Mark Giardina, Secretary

John Kosel

Derek Meixell

Jennifer Wright

Josh Artuso, Director of Community Development

Katherine Kolich, Recording Secretary

John DeMarco, Attorney (VIA PHONE)

Anthony Casciani

Welcome to the May 2, 2023 Webster Planning Board meeting. Please join

us in the Pledge of Allegiance.

Roll call

Jennifer Wright

Before we start, I just want to welcome Tony back. We missed you very much.

We are happy you are back.

Anthony Casciani

Nice to be back! It was a trip and half, let me tell you. Everything is going

forward. With that, we have four signs and Widewaters. Mark, go ahead and get started.

John Kosel

Before we start, do you have to do an organizational meeting since you weren’t here

in January?

Anthony Casciani

An organizational meeting?

John Kosel

Every year we use to appointment someone, the acting, the secretary...

Anthony Casciani

Oh yeah, I wasn’t here, and we didn’t do that. Thanks John! You are right

and I didn’t even think of that. It was awhile a go. Ok, | think what we have to do is appoint

someone a Vice Chairman. Deputy Chairman of the Planning Board. I would nominate Dave

Malta again to serve for that position.

BOARD

All in favor.

Anthony Casciani

Ok, for secretary we have Mark Giardina,

Dave Malta made a motion to nominate Mark Giardina as Secretary of the Planning Board.

Py. 103 /May 2, 2023, Planning Meeting

BOARD

All in favor,

Summary overview of outcome:

SCHEDULED MATTERS

:

LAKEFRONT SOCCER -SIGN-1645 BOULTER INDUSTRIAL PARK

Applicant

Kyle DeBrine

Status

APPROVED AS REQUESTED

GO CAR WASH-SIGN-1145 RIDGE ROAD

Applicant

Mike Mammano

Status

APPROVED AS REQUESTED

PANERA BREAD-SIGN-935 HOLT ROAD

Applicant

Mike Mammano

Status

APPROVED AS REQUESTED

SAGE-SIGN-911 RIDGE ROAD

Applicant

Amy Catalano

Status

APPROVED AS REQUESTED

WIDWATERS WEBSTER PLAZA TENANT RENOVATIONS-980 RIDGE ROAD

Applicant

Greg Moyer

Status

APPROVED WITH CONDITIONS:

CORRECT SQUARE FOOTAGE ON PLANS; CLEAN AND RESPAIR THE REAR OF

THE BUILDING.

(Mark Giardina read the first application):

LAKEFRONT SOCCER SIGN

Located at 1645 Boulter Industrial Park. Applicant Kyle

DeBrine is requesting SIGN APPROVAL to allow the installation of an approximately 30 SF

monument sign for the Lakefront Sports Park on a 39.28-acre parcel having SBL# 066.03-1-

6.001 located in an IN Industrial District under Section 265-7 of the Code of the Town of

Webster.

Appearing before the board was Kyle DeBrine and good evening and thank you for having me. I

am the Club Director at Lakefront Soccer Club. We are looking to put, as you said, a post and

panel sign facing east and west; double sided; not lit at 1645 Boulter Industrial Park Way. If you

guys have any other questions, feel free to ask and this will be installed by Vital Signs. They put

this together with us.

John Kosel

Usually, we allow signs at six feet but with that little monument thing in the center,

it makes it over six feet. Is that alright?

Anthony Casciani

Well, what is the size overall? Do you mean with the curve on the top?

John Kosel

Yes

Pg. 104 /May 2. 2023. Planning Mecting

Anthony Casciani

I don’t think that is a big deal. Jt is pretty much a secluded area. It is not like

itis even ona main highway. What is the height of it, 47... well ok, it’s 80 inches and if you

took that piece off, what 1s that, like six inches less or something like that. It is within reason of

being six foot, right, would you agree?

Dave Malta

Yes, | would.

John Kosel

And it is nice that they have the address on there.

Anthony Casciani

Yes, they have that on there. Good catch John.

Jennifer Wright

It will certainly make those fields easier to find. The signage there has not been

great for a while.

Kyle DeBrine

No, it needs something out there.

Anthony Casciani

It’s an unlit sign, no lights?

Kyle DeBrine

No lights.

Mark Giardina

RESOLUTION

Town of Webster Planning Board considered the request by Applicant, Kyle DeBrine, to install a

30-square foot monument sign for Lakefront Sports Park located at 1645 Boulter Industrial Park

on a 39.28-acre parcel having SBL #066.03-1!-6.001.

The Planning Board classifies the proposed action to be a Type [] Action under Section

617.5(c)(2) of the State Environmental Review (SEQR) Regulations and therefore is not subject

to further review.

RESOLUTION 23-045 Mark Giardina made a motion for FYPE II SEQR

which was seconded by John Kosel.

VOTE:

Mr. Anderson ABSENT

Mr. Kosel AYE

Mr. Malta AYE

Mr. Meixell AYE

Mr. Casciani AYE

Mr. Giardina AYE

Mrs. Wright AYE

RESOLUTION 23-046 John Kosel a made a motion for SIGN

APPROVAL Located at 1645 Boulter Industrial

Park. Applicant Kyle DeBrine is requesting SIGN

APPROVAL to allow the installation of an

approximately 30 SF monument sign for the

Lakefront Sports Park on a 39.28-acre parcel

having SBL# 066.03-1-6.001 located in an IN

Pg. 105 /May 2. 2023, Planning Meeting

Industrial District under Section 265-7 of the

Code of the Town of Webster of Webster which

was seconded by Derek Meixell.

VOTE:

Mr. Anderson ABSENT

Mr. Kosel AYE

Mr. Malta AYE

Mr. Meixell AYE

Mr. Casciani AYE

Mr. Giardina AYE

Mrs. Wright AYE

(Mark Giardina read the second application):

GO CAR WASH SIGNAGE

Located at 1145 Ridge Road. Applicant Mike Mammano is

requesting SIGN APPROVAL to replace (3) existing building mounted signs and associated

tenant panel within the existing monument sign to reflect the business name change on a |.66-

acre parcel having SBL# 079.16-1-22.003 located in an MC Medium Industrial District under

Section 265-7 of the Code of the Town of Webster.

Appearing before the board was Mike Mammano. Good evening. I am with Clinton Signs at

1407 Empire Blvd. We are requesting a change of signage from the Royal Car Wash to the Go

Car Wash. After a very long debate with the customer and everyone involved, we decided to

save the backers that are all up there and pull the Royal Car Wash off the existing white backers

and just add our new letters to the backers. So, no square footage changes. We are putting up

orange letters up on the backer and non-illuminated. There is a gooseneck light that comes over

the top. They are on two sides of the building, and they are going to add an EXIT only and an

ENTER only small panels on the lower portion of the building for exit and enter and there is a

small ground monument sign that has a face change. We will let them know that there is an

opaque background that needs to be done on the ground lit monument sign.

Anthony Casciani

| am surprised that they are putting those entrance and exit. | mean once you

go through the toll gate there and you come in there, where the hell do you think your going?

There is only one way and that’s to go through the entrance.

Mike Mammano

That makes a very good point. Once you’re in, your in.

Anthony Casciani

Do I need a sign to tell me this is the ENTER? I mean where else can I go? I

know it’s a car wash.

Dave Malta

Not only that, would there need to be a variance for the extra two signs?

Anthony Casciani

No, | don’t think so.

Jennifer Wright

They are directional signs vs sign-signs,

Py. 106 /May 2, 2023, Planning Meeting

Anthony Casciani

You are basically doing the same thing that already exists other than those

litle signs. I don’t have an issue. I just don’t understand the logic, exit only. No one is going to

be going in there. There are cars coming out of there. Any issues with this? The signs are

basically going in the same place. Where they have Royal Car Wash and they are putting Car

Wash, we know it’s a car wash. [ would prefer them to say GO Car Wash or something.

Mike Mammano

They are going to have the GO on the one elevation.

Board members having a discussion.

Anthony Casciant

There is an eight-foot sign there saying it’s a car wash. I know it’s a car

wash.

Jennifer Wright

But part of their name is GO CAR WASH so the car wash is the name, and the

GO is right here (showing on the plans) and the monument on the front.

Mike Mammano

And facing Ridge Road, yes.

Jennifer Wright

And it is also on the monument sign.

Anthony Casciani

It is not here.

Jennifer Wright

Because the GO is more of a logo part of the sign. They are trying to fit it in to

the existing placards on the building.

Anthony Casciani

My point is, it says right here, ROYAL CAR WASH where you go in and

over here it just says car wash. I would rather see it say GO CAR WASH and make it similar to

the other one or eliminate the sign, you know you are in a car wash. Why do you need a big eight

foot sign up there? It’s alright, if it’s what they want .

Mark Giardina

RESOLUTION

Town of Webster Planning Board considered the request by Applicant, Mike Mammano, to

replace three (3) existing building mounted signs and associated tenant panel within an existing

monument sign for Go Car Wash located at 1145 Ridge Road on a 1.66-acre parce! having SBL

#079.16-1-22.003.

The Planning Board classifies the proposed action to be a Type II Action under Section

617.5(c)(2) of the State Environmental Review (SEQR) Regulations and therefore is not subject

to further review.

Pg. 107 /May 2, 2023, Planning Meeting

RESOLUTION 23-047 Mark Giardina made a motion for TYPE IT SEQR

[ which was seconded by Dave Malta.

VOTE:

Mr. Anderson ABSENT

Mr. Kosel AYE

Mr. Malta AYE

Mr. Metxell AYE

Mr. Casciani AYE

Mr. Giardina AYE

Mrs. Wright AYE

RESOLUTION 23-048 John Kosel a made a motion for SIGN

APPROVAL Located at 1145 Ridge Road.

Applicant Mike Mammano is requesting SIGN

APPROVAL to replace (3) existing building

mounted signs and associated tenant panel within

the existing monument sign to reflect the business

name change on a 1.66- acre parcel having SBL#

079.16-1-22.003 located in an MC Medium

Industrial District under Section 265-7 of the

Code of the Town of Webster of Webster which

[ was seconded by Derrick Meixell.

John Kose]: Do we have to say anything about the ENTER and EXIT signs?

Anthony Casciani

Well, they are just basically the signs are all in the same place, it’s

just a different name on them. I suppose you could just say as presented. Is that ok with you

Josh?

Josh Artuso

Yes

VOTE:

Mr. Anderson ABSENT

Mr. Kosel AYE

Mr. Malta AYE

Mr. Meixell AYE

Mr. Casciani AYE

Mr. Giardina AYE

Mrs. Wright AYE

(Mark Giardina read the third application):

PANERA BREAD SIGNAGE

Located at 935 Holt Road. Applicant Mike Mammano is

requesting SIGN APPROVAL to replace existing building mounted fagade signs to reflect

[ Panera’s corporate re-branding on a 15.14- acre parcel having SBL# 079.16-1-2.11 located in an

HC High Intensity Commercial District under Section 265-7 of the Code of the Town of

Py. [08 /May 2, 2023. Planning Meenung

Webster.

Appearing before the board was Mike Mammano from Clinton Signs at 1407 Empire Blvd.

Panera Bread has nationally changed their corporate logo. They would just like to take their

letters down off of the building and put the new sign logo in the same spot, same type of thing,

Anthony Casciani

Actually, the newer one does look nice. A little smaller and more distinct.

Mike Mammano

A little more style to the letters.

Anthony Casciani

Yes, it has that logo on there. What is that three foot by...

Mike Mammano

It approximately fits into the same square foot area.

John Kosel

fs that sign illuminated?

Mike Mammano

Individual channel letters. LEDS, internally, yes.

John Kosel

Ok.

Anthony Casciani

So that’s good. Another words, Panera Bread is what is lit, that’s it?

Mike Mammano

Yes.

Anthony Casciani

How many were there on there?

Mike Mammano

There are two elevations.

Anthony Casciani

The bottom line is you are just replacing signs that are already there with new

style?

Mike Mammano

Absolutely.

Anthony Casciani

I know that Derrick had a comment, that the pictures were dark, and he is

correct, but I think there is an adequate number of pictures that are clear that you can see, and

you know what they are referring to so not a biggie.

Mark Giardina

RESOLUTION

Town of Webster Planning Board considered the request by Applicant, Mike Mammano, to

replace existing building mounted signs for Panera located at 935 Holt Road ona 15.14-acre

parcel having SBL #079.16-1-2.11.

Pg. 109 /May 2. 2023, Planning Meeting

The Planning Board classifies the proposed action to be a Type [I Action under Section

617.5(c)(2) of the State Environmental Review (SEQR) Regulations and therefore is not subject

to further review.

RESOLUTION 23-049 Mark Giardina made a motion for TYPE IT SEQR

which was seconded by Derrick Meixell.

VOTE:

Mr. Anderson ABSENT

Mr. Kosel AYE

Mr. Malta AYE

Mr. Meixell AYE

Mr. Casciani AYE

Mr. Giardina AYE

Mrs. Wright AYE

Anthony Casciani

Basically, it’s the same signs only different print.

RESOLUTION 23-050 John Kose! a made a motion for SIGN

APPROVAL Located at 935 Holt Road.

Applicant Mike Mammano is requesting SIGN

APPROVAL to replace existing building mounted

fagade signs to reflect Panera’s corporate re-

branding on a 15.14- acre parcel having SBL#

079.16-1-2.11 located in an HC High Intensity

Commercial District under Section 265-7 of the

Code of the Town of Webster of Webster which

was seconded by Derrick Meixell.

VOTE:

Mr. Anderson ABSENT

Mr. Kosel AYE

Mr. Malta AYE

Mr. Meixell AYE

Mr. Casciani AYE

Mr. Giardina AYE

Mrs. Wright AYE

(Mark Giardina read the fourth application):

SAGE SIGN; Located at 811 Ridge Road. Applicant Amy Catalano is requesting SIGN

APPROVAL to allow the installation of a 11.5 SF building mounted fagade sign to reflect a new

business within the Webster Woods Plaza on a 1.26- acre parce! having SBL# 079. 18-t-69.112

located in an MC Medium Intensity Commercial District under Section 265-7 of the Code of

the Town of Webster.

Pg. 110 (May 2, 2023, Planning Meeting

Appearing before the board was Amy Catalano with Vital Signs at 764 Ridge Road. We are

proposing this non lit sign panel, flush mount to the building. This elevation faces Hooligans in

case you are not aware. It is not facing Five Mile or Ridge. It’s kind of on that corner but facing

Hooligans.

Jennifer Wright

Is there going to be a sign on the other side or any other signage on the other

side to reflect the businesses there?

Amy Catalano

No there is not. They each have there own and there is a separate entrance on the

other side. So, this would be her entrance and that is where the sign is going to go.

Anthony Casciani

That sign is kind of big, can you make it half that sized? Just Kidding!!!

Amy Catalano

We could make that twice the size.

Anthony Casciani

Just Kidding!!! (LAUGHTER)

Jennifer Wright

Is there a sign there now that it is replacing?

Amy Catalano

There is nothing there now. It is just the address.

Jennifer Wright

That is kind of what I thought.

Amy Catalano

And she has gotten approval from the building owner.

Anthony Casciani

When did you take that picture with all that snow?

Amy Catalano

Awhile a go.

Anthony Casciani

What is Sage? What is this? What kind of business?

Amy Catalano

I am kind of going to make it up. 1 am not 100% sure but I think there is some

life coaching and support groups, that sort of thing.

Anthony Casciani

Ok.

John Kosel

Is this sign illuminated? Is there gooseneck lighting there?

Amy Catalano

I don’( believe there is any lighting there right now. There may be some external

lighting but the panel itself is not lit.

Anthony Casciani

And that is the only sign? They are not putting a monument sign out or in the

monument.

Amy Catalano

No

Pg. LLL (May 2, 2023, Planning Meeting

Anthony Casciani

If they did it would fit into what is existing monument sign that they have so.

Amy Catalano

Right.

Anthony Casciani

That is up to them. I don’t see any issues, anybody?

Board

NO

Mark Giardina

RESOLUTION

Town of Webster Planning Board considered the request by Applicant, Amy Catalano, to install

an 11.5-square foot building mounted facade sign for Sage located at 811 Ridge Road on a 1.26-

acre parcel having SBL # 079.18-1-69.112.

The Planning Board classifies the proposed action to be a Type II Action under Section

617.5(c)(2) of the State Environmental Review (SEQR) Regulations and therefore is not subject

to further review.

RESOLUTION 23-051 Mark Giardina made a motion for TYPE II SEQR

which was seconded by John Kosel.

VOTE:

Mr. Anderson ABSENT

Mr. Kosel AYE

Mr. Malta AYE

Mr. Meixell AYE

Mr. Cascitani AYE

Mr. Giardina AYE

Mrs. Wright AYE

Conversations amongst board about the correct address.

Josh Artuso

Technically it is 811 Ridge Road. It is the physical location.

RESOLUTION 23-052 John Kosel a made a motion for SIGN

APPROVAL Located at 811 Ridge Road.

Applicant Amy Catalano is requesting SIGN

APPROVAL to allow the installation of a 11.5 SF

building mounted fagade sign to reflect a new

business within the Webster Woods Plaza on a

1.26- acre parcel having SBL# 079.18-1-69,112

located in an MC Medium Intensity Commercial

District under Section 265-7 of the Code of the

Town of Webster which was seconded by Derrick

Meixell.

Py. 112 /May 2. 2023. Planning Meeting

VOTE:

Mr. Anderson ABSENT

Mr. Kosel AYE

Mr. Malta AYE

Mr. Meixell AYE

Mr. Casciani AYE

Mr. Giardina AYE

Mrs. Wright AYE

(Mark Giardina read the fifth application):

WIDEWATERS WEBSTER PLAZA TENANT RENOVATIONS

Located at 950 Ridge

Road. Applicant Greg Moyer is requesting PRELIMINARY/FINAL SITE PLAN

APPROVAL (

PUBLIC HEARING

to allow modifications to the existing building including

construction of a loading dock, demolition and reconstruction of an existing outdoor storage

area and associated site improvements (widening of sidewalk and addition of ADA parking

spaces) on a 37,91- acre parcel having SBL# 079.15-1-1.312 located in an HC High Intensity

Commercial District under Section 269-11 of the Code of the Town of Webster.

Appearing before the board was Chase Kramer and I am with CED, and we are representing out

client, Widewaters and joining me tonight is my colleague, Kurt. We are basically going to be

redoing the building out at the Webster Plaza at 950 Ridge Road. So, we are going to be splitting

the former Kmart into two spaces. One for a future tenant and one for a Harbor Freight and in

addition to this work we are going to be expanding the sidewalk out front from 7 feet to [2 feet

and throwing in some ADA ramps for the tenant and Harbor Freight and then moving out

towards...Oh, and also relocating some of the existing ADA spaces just to meet compliance and

make the ADA spots more accessible for the future tenants.

Moving out towards the back of the building we will be installing a new recessed truck dock and

a small building expansion for that truck dock. At the rear, because of the expansion and the

recessed truck dock we are going to have to bump out the drive isle in the back a little bit to

accommodate that. Total to for site is about Jess than half an acre and that is pretty much it.

Anthony Casciani

Probably one thing you should do on your finished drawing is correct your

proposed and future. You have 41,000 square feet on both of them.

Chase Kramer

So, the future one is 41,000 and the Harbor Freight is going to be around 16,000

square feet.

Anthony Casciani

Yes, you should probably change that one there.

Chase Kramer

Absolutely.

Anthony Casciani

You are widening the sidewalk in the front and just carrying it straight

across?

Pg. 113 ‘May 2, 2023. Planning Meeting

Chase Kramer

Correct.

Anthony Casciani

To match up with the rest of it?

Chase Kramer

Correct.

Anthony Casciani

Now the back, the back of that building and I don’t think it is Harbor Freight

issue, it 1s probably more Widewaters but the area that has a wood covering all over it, it is a

mess. It is absolutely disgusting. The bottom is rotted out, there is papers and all sorts of trash

stuck under it. I don’t know what they are proposing to do with that.

Chase Kramer

We forwarded on some of these comments to the owner and they have been made

aware of it. So, they said they would look into taking care of that.

Anthony Casciani

I think that we should pul that in that it be cleaned up and repaired as a

condition.

Chase Kramer

Sure, we can pass that along.

Anthony Casciani

It has nothing to do with Harbor Freight, it is to do with the building itself

which is Widewaters.

Chase Kramer

Right...... correct.

Anthony Casciani

The other thing is you have your loading dock now; you are going to hollow

that down? You are going to drop, and you have a drain at the bottom, so you are going to drop it

down about 2-3 feet or something?

Chase Kramer

Correct

Anthony Casciani

And that stil] will collect the sewer out there in the back?

Chase Kramer

So that will not catch the sewer. We are going to have to install a pump to pump

out the water and then that will tie into the relocated storm line that runs in the back in the

building.

Anthony Casciani

Yes, ok. I see it there. You have a storm water sump pump. Yes, I see it.

Chase Kramer

Yes

Anthony Casctani

I didn’t see it before.

Dave Malta

How is Harbor Freight getting there inventory?

Pg. 114 /May 2, 2023, Planning Meeting

Chase Kramer

I believe they are going to be getting it through their front door. They didn’t have

any plans to bring anything out back.

Lori Schindler

[ am from Store crafters. We have been a Harbor Freight general contractor for

ten years and we are located here in Rochester, and we are going to be the general contractor of

INAUDIBLE. Harbor Freight is proposing to bring in......they bring all their merchandise

through the loadtng dock area, and it delivers two times a month in four trucks. It is going where

the garden center 1s. They are proposing to make that the loading dock area. So, it is going off

the side of the building in the back.

Anthony Casciani

So, they are just going to be loading back by the door right there?

Lori Schindler

Yes

Anthony Casciani

So, again, my comment in the PRC was the loading dock that is proposed the

one that you are going down and in with, is that for Ollies or is that for both?

Lori Schindler

Harbor Freight will have their own loading dock area. They don’t share. That is

because Harbor Freight is taking the end at the garden center over so off to the side where the

garden center is, will be taken out the garden center and we will be opening that up to make that

the loading dock area.

Anthony Casciani

But your loading dock is...

Chase Kramer

So that will be for the future tenant that has not been named yet because they will

be installing walls, so Harbor Freight has the 16,000 square foot portion of the building to the

south and they are going to be loading their product from the outdoor storage area.

Anthony Casciani

Ok, I gotcha but my question is, there is no proposed actual loading dock .

Chase Kramer

Correct

Anthony Casciani

Where you drive into it. Another words, you are not changing the structure

the extertor.

Chase Kramer

No

Anthony Casciant

Ok. Now the loading dock that you are proposing is in the back of where

Ollies is.

Chase Kramer

Yes

Anthony Casciani

The main one there, that is for Ollies or is that...

Pg. 115 /May 2. 2023, Planning Meeting

Chase Kramer

That 1s going to be for the future tenant. They are preparing that for a future

tenant.

Anthony Casciani

A future tenant?

Dave Malta

Do they know who the future tenant is?

Chase Kramer

No, not yet.

Dave Malta

They are preparing a loading dock for someone they don’t even know if they need

one.

Kurt INAUDIBLE

with Bergman as Chase mentioned. Widewaters has a tenant in mind. They

have not signed any lease agreements specifically. That tenant would require a loading dock and

they also know that there are several other tenants that they have talked to and as part of that it

makes the space much more marketable to have a separate loading dock and with Harbor Freight

taking that end of the building, there was not options for them to be able to access out that way

so part of the plan is to make that more marketable and hopefully the tenant that they have in

mind will be signing soon and then they will be able to take care of that.

Anthony Casciani

So, when you say future tenant right now, that is not where Ollie’s is?

Kurt

Correct. So, Ollies is just towards the north of that. Ollie’s loading dock is actually as you

go up the building wall and you kind of go around, right on the outside corner there to the north,

and I know it’s a little hard to see from here (SHOWING ON THE PLANS) the loading dock is

on the back corner so where we are with a loading dock is down here and Ollie’s trucks come in

and back up over here.

Anthony Casciani

Ok, so that loading dock that you are proposing, the one you are digging out,

lowered down, that is for the future tenant

Kurt

Correct.

Anthony Casciant

Ok, now I got it.

Kurt

It actually accesses like the warehouse area in the back of the building which was the

former Kmart spot so that is why that dock positioned there because it is kind of in the back and

used it for storage and things like that and make it more acceptable for the truck deliveries.

Anthony Casciani

Ok. Is there anything else?

John Kosel

So, what you are saying, in that former Kmart building there is going to be three

businesses?

Kurt

No, just two. Just Harbor Freight and whatever future tenant.

Py. 116 /May 2, 2023, Planning Meeting

Dave Malta

Well, Ollies is there too,

EVERYONE SPEAKING AT ONE TIME.

Kurt

I was not sure how that was divided because there is a demised wall that was put in Kmart.

Jennifer Wright

That was an awfully big Kmart then.

Anthony Casciani

Ollies come right down to this,

Jennifer Wright

There is a space in the middle.

Kurt

Yes, it is a little hard to see on this map, but you can see there is almost about a 1/34 of

although Harbor Freight is really not taking a 1/3™ of the building because they have a back

house but you can see where that demised wall is so I guess this was the Kmart footprint and

Ollies has this piece up here which is kind of this chunk. Then there is a future tenant. It kind of

L’s around Harbor Freight.

Anthony Casciani

Ok.

Kurt

There is one other quick change to the plans we originally submitted. It had a sidewalk as

part of Widewaters and we had it continuing it all the way down ail the way down in front of that

garden center, which is down by the Harbor Freight so we since found out that Harbor Freight is

responsibility cuts off at the corner there so on our plans it will submit for signatures and things

like that, we just show that kind of hashed out and say it is by others. That sidewalk will be built

but it is not part of the landlord or Widewater responsibility for that piece. Harbor Freight will be

responsible.

Anthony Casciani

It will go out to the same length?

Kurt

Yes, same way it just won’t....Widewater won’t be building that so our drawings will be a

little bit different in that corner.

Anthony Casciani

Yeah, not a big issue. So, Harbor Freight then, you will be putting doors on

the side for the loading and so on, right?

Kurt

Correct.

Anthony Casciani

Yes, the biggest concern that I have with this is the back of that building.

That’s in really, really rough shape. It has nothing to do with Harbor Freight, it’s Widewater and

I don’t know what we can do with that but, That is not a pretty picture back there. Anybody have

any ideas, I don’t know.

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Lori Schindler

(SPEAKING FROM THE AUDIENCE) So, if you make it a stipulation and I

will tell you in 10 years of doing Harbor Freight, they won ‘t turnover a store INAUDIBLE

(TOO MANY PAPERS RATTLING) as a general contractor because that is visible to where

their customers will be parking, Harbor Freight will work with the landlord on their behalf and

they will clean that up. Harbor Freight will not open that store up with it looking like that.

Anthony Casciani

So if we put tt in a resolution looking for cooperation to maintain that. OK

Jennifer Wright

Would that go in....this is for the site plan approval for the Widewaters so

would we put that in as a stipulation for this or for the Harbor Freight?

Anthony Casciani

Well, it’s all one application. The drawing is one and showing the loading

dock over here for future tenant and the proposed Harbor Freight so it’s all one but the back

of that building is where I am referring to that is a mess.

Jennifer Wright

I understand but there was a separate application for Harbor Freight, they had

their own application, and this is the Widewaters application. They are two separate things OR

am | misunderstanding that because Harbor Freight came in with their own package; own

signage and there own what they planned on doing and this is what the building owner, the

landlord plans to do to the site to get it ready for Harbor Freight to come in.

Anthony Casciani

Good question, | am assuming it is all one.

Josh Artuso

Last month they were here primarily here for signage for the Harbor Freight, and

they are also requesting the approval to reuse the outdoor storage from the former garden center,

but I think because that gentleman was traveling from California, we had tried to consolidate

efforts so that everything could get approved through the application tonight, the remaining

elements. So, everything that is going to occur should be shown on these plans.

Anthony Casciani

Which is what they’ ve got.

Josh Artuso

Right.

Jennifer Wright

Ok.

Josh Artuso

Does that make sense? Is that your understanding of it?

Kurt

It is tuff for me to say because I don’t know what Harbor Freights responsibility in terms of

what they are doing in that garden center area, so | can’t say that can. I have not seen any of

their plans.

Josh Artuso

Ok. Well, they were provided at the last meeting and essentially, they are

converting the fenced in area to the loading dock that you just described and that is going to be

fully enclosed, to your understanding. Is that right?

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Lori Schindier

(SPEAKING FROM OUT IN THE AUDIENCE) it 1s not enclosed INAUDIBLE

Anthony Casciani

] am just assuming that everything is on this drawing is what is being

proposed for preliminary approval. The loading dock and so on and so forth. On the drawings, I

cul the sheets out that I wanted, you have the full sheet, and it is probably showing Harbor

Freights side entrance where they are proposing doors and stuff and it shows it on there. So, that

is the whole drawing so as far as Harbor Freight, we don’t have any issues with that, correct?

Board

NO

Anthony Casciani

They are making some modifications they are not rebuilding a building or

anything. A couple of doors being changed. The only concern that J have is the loading dock and

the back but that is for a future tenant, your saying back there.

Dave Malta

Before us INAUDIBLE

Anthony Casciani

The whole thing

Dave Malta

We don’t even know who the future tenant is going to be.

Anthony Casciant

I don’t care as long as they are putting a building up and a loading dock and

whoever they rent it to, repairs the building. If they is anything that needs to be brought in, then

they would have to come in same as Harbor Freight for change of use or whatever the heck they

are going to do.

Jennifer Wright

I just misunderstood because last time was a sign package, but we also talked

about the garden area and now we are talking about the rest of it.

Josh Artuso

I know.

Jennifer Wright

I was just trying to clarify what was Harbor Freight and what was Widewaters.

So, it sounds like for the building itself and the area that the stipulation needs to go into the

Widewaters approval for the site.

Anthony Casciani

So, we could approval this thing as presented.

Josh Artuso

Right. The only question that I have is apparently the building plans that were

submitted show an overhead door on the south elevation of the building towards the west end, of

the back corner.

Kurt

Right for Harbor Freight.

Josh Artuso and Lori Schindler discussing plans.

Josh Artuso

Is that correct for the future tenant?

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Chase Kramer

Is there an existing door there?

Kurt

No, we shouldn’t have had any door there of which I am aware. (VIEWING PLANS)

Anthony Casciani

There are a few comments actually. (SEE ATTACHED LIST OF

COMMENTS FROM PRC)

Chase Kramer reads the list out loud:

Webster Square Plaza Tenant Renovations

Review of proposed modifications / improvements to the former Kmart

space to accommodate 2 new tenants at 950 Ridge Road.

Community Development:

« Widening of sidewalks along front of plaza; restriping of parking area and

addition of ADA accessible parking spaces.

e New recessed loading dock in rear of property; need to assess impacts to

sanitary and storm sewers.

e Appears that an expansion of the drive aisle behind the plaza will need to be

expanded to accommodate proposed loading dock.

¢ Clarification on site plan and tenant spaces still needed.

Building Department:

¢ Plans submitted with bidg. permit application shows Ollie’s to remain as existing

tenant.

e Plans show an overhead door on the south side of building.

Josh Artuso

Yes, and my concern was according to our building inspector told us, it is ina

location of the existing transformer and the electrical equipment. So, I am just wondering if...

Kurt

I don’t see an overhead door on our plans, so I am confused by the comment, I guess. If

these comments are based on these plans, there is no overhead door specified in these.

Josh Artuso

Correct, not on the site plan but the building plans for the building permit for the

build out,

Kurt

For Harbor Freight?

Josh Artuso

No. Isn’t that space connected to the future tenant space?

Kurt

It is.

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Josh Artuso

Someone submitted plans for that show an overhead door where the electrical

equipment ts outside,

Kurt

Well, we didn’t as part of our application.

Josh Artuso

Ok. We will have to reconcile that and double check.

Kurt

| don’t know if maybe it was cross reference with the overhead door that Harbor Freight

that she was talking about that was going to be their !oading door.

Josh Artuso

But that wouldn't be over there. That would be along the fagade of the plaza.

Kurt

[am not aware of that. Our plans don’t show that so I would have to see it in order to

answer that question.

Josh Artuso

Ok.

Kurt

As far as I know there is nothing planned. That is why we are putting a truck back-in.

Josh Artuso

Right, that is why we were a little confused when we were going through the review

process . [ will work with the building inspector to clarify things.

Kurt

Ok.

Josh Artuso

I just wanted to confirm that there was no door proposed to go there.

Kurt

And there would be no site improvements that I would know. That would be a building

permit issue as well, right?

Josh Artuso

Absolutely

Anthony Casciani

Actually, Mark just handed me the papers/maps from Harbor Freight that they

were in with before. LOOKING OVER THE PLANS.

Derek Meixell

Shouldn’t we be talking about what is in front of us right now?

Anthony Casciani

Yes, but they are talking about the doors and the plans we have don’t show

any.

Derek Meixell

So, then there is no door on this plan.

Anthony Casciani

No. Do you know what if they put doors in, does it matter? It’s really not

changing anything.

Kurt approached Anthony Casciani and they discuss the plans of Harbor Freight with the door.

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Anthony Casciani

T suppose what we could do is approve it. We are approving this drawing

here and it doesn’t show anything on it. Approve this the way it is. They have the loading dock

in the back ; they have widened the asphalt which was a concern to go around, correct? They did

that so they have met everything from PRC in my opinion. That would allow us to give approval

for what they are showing. The only thing that we don’t know is where they are cutting

openings for Harbor Freight, the doors and we could make that subject to Engineering, couldn't

we? John, what do you think of that? (Connection was lost via phone)

Josh Artuso

I think that we can handle these remaining issues with the Building Department.

Anthony Casciani

Where do we care where the door goes, you know. If it’s electrical that is up

to the town, Engineering.

Josh Artuso

Correct. If it needs to be relocated and it sounds like it doesn’t. I think we can...

Anthony Casctani

So, we can keep moving with this.

Josh Artuso

| agree.

Anthony Casciani

And then deal with Harbor Freights cuts and so on and so forth.

Josh Artuso

Right

Anthony Casciani

And that is a separate issue Under the town administration

Josh Artuso

Correct. The only other thing I want to mention is we did not find record of an

easement over the sanitary sewer pump so we need to look to Widewaters to potentially grant us

an easement so we can have rights to maintain the sewer that is back there.

Kurt

I would say just reach out to Greg at Widewaters and discuss that with him. | can’t

imagine that they would be opposed to that. It is the town sewer so it would seem to make sense

and | think we have allotted enough room in our clearance to maintain it.

Anthony Casciani

So, lets back right off to what we have in front of us. Talking about widening

the concrete out in front, putting in a loading dock basically in the back and one of the concerns

was to have the width and you are showing that and widening the asphalt to go around that.

Provisions for pump out for water down into the pit. Anything else you guys, see? I don’t see

anything else that is a concern for the site.

Derek Meixell

The provision to clean up the back.

Anthony Casciani

Yes, will put that in there, Again, this is a public hearing, if there is anyone

here wishing to speak for or against this project? Not seeing anyone, we will close the public

hearing and bring it back to the board. Ok, what we want to do is correct the drawing with the

square footage numbers you have here . Well, lets put it in a resolution and be done with it all.

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So why don’t you do SEQR on it first and then we wil! do preliminary, and we will put that all in

there. Go ahead Mark, do you want to do a preliminary?

Mark

SEQR?

Anthony Casciani

Oh yes, SEQR

Mark Giardina

RESOLUTION

Town of Webster Planning Board considered the request by Applicant, Greg Moyer, to modify

the existing building, construction of a loading dock, demolition and reconstruction of an

existing outside storage area, and associated site improvement located at 950 Ridge Road on a

37.91-acre parcel having SBL #079.15-1-1.312.

The Planning Board classifies the proposed action to be a Type II Action under Section

617.5(c)(2) and (9) of the State Environmental Review (SEQR) Regulations and therefore is not

subject to further review.

RESOLUTION 23-053 Mark Giardina made a motion for TYPE IJ SEQOR

which was seconded by Derek Meixell

VOTE:

Mr. Anderson ABSENT

Mr. Kosel AYE

Mr. Malta AYE

Mr. Meixell AYE

Mr. Casciani AYE

Mr. Giardina AYE

Mrs. Wright AYE

RESOLUTION 23-054 Dave Malta made a motion for Located at 950

Ridge Road. Applicant Greg Moyer is requesting

PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN APPROVAL

(

PUBLIC HEARING

to allow modifications to

the existing building including construction of a

loading dock, demolition and reconstruction of an

existing outdoor storage area and associated site

improvements (widening of sidewalk and addition

of ADA parking spaces) on a 37.91- acre parcel

having SBL# 079.15-1-1.342 Jocated in an HC

High Intensity Commercial District under Section

269-11 of the Code of the Town of Webster

which was seconded by Derek Meixell.

Py. 123 /May 2, 2023. Planning Meeting

PRELIMI Y APPROVAL

. Subject to PRC comments

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Proceed to Final approval.

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All the improvements shall be constructed according to the specification of the

All sitework is to be in compliance with the standards of the Town of Webster.

Comply with all requirements of any State, County, or Town agency.

Address drainage, lighting, signage, landscaping, buffering, berming, and snow

Approvals are subject to Drawing No: 23002306A Dated: 2023

CORRECT THE TENANT SPACE SQUARE FOOTAGES ON PLANS

REPAIR/REPLACE THE WOOD SIDING ON REAR PORTION OF BUILDING

Anthony Casciani

Yes, ] would like to make it a little firmer than that, but I don’t know how to. The

current wood siding should be renovated and repaired, whatever.

VOTE:

Mr. Anderson ABSENT

Mr. Kosel AYE

Mr. Malta AYE

Mr. Meixell AYE

Mr. Casciani AYE

Mr. Giardina AYE

Mrs. Wright AYE

RESOLUTION 23-055

Dave Malta made a motion for Located at 950

Ridge Road. Applicant Greg Moyer is requesting

FINAL SITE PLAN APPROVAL (PUBLIC

HEARING to allow modifications to the existing

building including construction of a loading dock,

demolition and reconstruction of an existing

outdoor storage area and associated site

improvements (widening of sidewalk and addition

of ADA parking spaces) on a 37.91- acre parcel

having SBL# 079.15-1-1.312 located in an HC

High Intensity Commercial District under Section

269-1! of the Code of the Town of Webster

which was seconded by John Kosel.

CHECKLIST FOR FINAL APPROVAL

1. Subject to Project Review Committee comments

2. Subject to Preliminary Approval conditions.

3. Subject to all applicable governmental fees.

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4. Subject to Department of Public Works approvals. (ANTHONY CASCIANI:

AND THIS ONE HERE WILL BE COVERED BY THE WORK THAT WOULD

BE DONE BY THE TOWN THEN)

5. Significant construction shall occur within one year, as deemed by the Planning

Board, to expire on May 2, 2024.

6. The conditions of Preliminary and Final approval are depicted on the cover page

of the final designed plans.

Anthony Casciani

Do they need a letter of credit for this?

Josh Artuso

Are you going to be tapping in or doing any work or modifications to the storm

sewer?

Kurt

Storm sewer is private, and we do need to do some improvements because we need to do

the lateral that runs across the back of the building and has to be bumped out around the new

truck dock and then we are going to tie that truck dock into it . So, it’s kind of a relocation of that

main. [ don’t think that would be public

Josh Artuso

Yeah, I don’t think and the sanitary used

. Subject to resolution of final approved minutes.

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8. CORRECT THE TENANT SPACE SQUARE FOOTAGES ON PLANS.

9. REPAIR/REPLACE THE WOOD SIDING ON REAR PORTION OF

BUILDING.

VOTE:

Mr. Anderson ABSENT

Mr. Kosel AYE

Mr. Malta AYE

Mr. Meixell AYE

Mr. Casciani AYE

Mr. Giardina AYE

Mrs. Wright AYE

ADMINISTRATIVE MATTER

Minutes were approved for April 4, 2023. (John Kosel,

seconded by Jennifer Wright)

With no other applications before the Board this evening Dave Malta concluded tonight’s

meeting at 8:00 PM.

Respectfully Submitted,

‘ a ——

Mark Giardina, Secretary

Katherine Kolich, Recording Secretary

Sign¢

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FILED WEBSTER THN cL x

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