WEBSTER TOWN PLANNING BOARD MINUTES
PLACE; Webster Town Board Meeting Room 1002 Ridge Road
7:00 p.m.
2 May 2023
ABSENT:
Anthony Casciani, Chairman Kyle Taylor, Attorney
Dave Malta, Vice Chairman Derek Anderson
Mark Giardina, Secretary
John Kosel
Derek Meixell
Jennifer Wright
Josh Artuso, Director of Community Development
Katherine Kolich, Recording Secretary
John DeMarco, Attorney (VIA PHONE)
Welcome to the May 2, 2023 Webster Planning Board meeting. Please join
us in the Pledge of Allegiance.
Roll call
Before we start, I just want to welcome Tony back. We missed you very much.
We are happy you are back.
Nice to be back! It was a trip and half, let me tell you. Everything is going
forward. With that, we have four signs and Widewaters. Mark, go ahead and get started.
Before we start, do you have to do an organizational meeting since you weren’t here
in January?
An organizational meeting?
Every year we use to appointment someone, the acting, the secretary...
Oh yeah, I wasn’t here, and we didn’t do that. Thanks John! You are right
and I didn’t even think of that. It was awhile a go. Ok, | think what we have to do is appoint
someone a Vice Chairman. Deputy Chairman of the Planning Board. I would nominate Dave
Malta again to serve for that position.
All in favor.
Ok, for secretary we have Mark Giardina,
Dave Malta made a motion to nominate Mark Giardina as Secretary of the Planning Board.
Py. 103 /May 2, 2023, Planning Meeting
All in favor,
Summary overview of outcome:
SCHEDULED MATTERS
:
LAKEFRONT SOCCER -SIGN-1645 BOULTER INDUSTRIAL PARK
Kyle DeBrine
APPROVED AS REQUESTED
GO CAR WASH-SIGN-1145 RIDGE ROAD
Mike Mammano
APPROVED AS REQUESTED
PANERA BREAD-SIGN-935 HOLT ROAD
Mike Mammano
APPROVED AS REQUESTED
SAGE-SIGN-911 RIDGE ROAD
Amy Catalano
APPROVED AS REQUESTED
WIDWATERS WEBSTER PLAZA TENANT RENOVATIONS-980 RIDGE ROAD
Greg Moyer
APPROVED WITH CONDITIONS:
CORRECT SQUARE FOOTAGE ON PLANS; CLEAN AND RESPAIR THE REAR OF
THE BUILDING.
(Mark Giardina read the first application):
Located at 1645 Boulter Industrial Park. Applicant Kyle
DeBrine is requesting SIGN APPROVAL to allow the installation of an approximately 30 SF
monument sign for the Lakefront Sports Park on a 39.28-acre parcel having SBL# 066.03-1-
6.001 located in an IN Industrial District under Section 265-7 of the Code of the Town of
Webster.
Appearing before the board was Kyle DeBrine and good evening and thank you for having me. I
am the Club Director at Lakefront Soccer Club. We are looking to put, as you said, a post and
panel sign facing east and west; double sided; not lit at 1645 Boulter Industrial Park Way. If you
guys have any other questions, feel free to ask and this will be installed by Vital Signs. They put
this together with us.
Usually, we allow signs at six feet but with that little monument thing in the center,
it makes it over six feet. Is that alright?
Well, what is the size overall? Do you mean with the curve on the top?
Yes
Pg. 104 /May 2. 2023. Planning Mecting
I don’t think that is a big deal. Jt is pretty much a secluded area. It is not like
itis even ona main highway. What is the height of it, 47... well ok, it’s 80 inches and if you
took that piece off, what 1s that, like six inches less or something like that. It is within reason of
being six foot, right, would you agree?
Yes, | would.
And it is nice that they have the address on there.
Yes, they have that on there. Good catch John.
It will certainly make those fields easier to find. The signage there has not been
great for a while.
No, it needs something out there.
It’s an unlit sign, no lights?
No lights.
Mark Giardina
RESOLUTION
Town of Webster Planning Board considered the request by Applicant, Kyle DeBrine, to install a
30-square foot monument sign for Lakefront Sports Park located at 1645 Boulter Industrial Park
on a 39.28-acre parcel having SBL #066.03-1!-6.001.
The Planning Board classifies the proposed action to be a Type [] Action under Section
617.5(c)(2) of the State Environmental Review (SEQR) Regulations and therefore is not subject
to further review.
RESOLUTION 23-045 Mark Giardina made a motion for FYPE II SEQR
which was seconded by John Kosel.
VOTE:
Mr. Anderson ABSENT
Mr. Kosel AYE
Mr. Malta AYE
Mr. Meixell AYE
Mr. Casciani AYE
Mr. Giardina AYE
Mrs. Wright AYE
RESOLUTION 23-046 John Kosel a made a motion for SIGN
APPROVAL Located at 1645 Boulter Industrial
Park. Applicant Kyle DeBrine is requesting SIGN
APPROVAL to allow the installation of an
approximately 30 SF monument sign for the
Lakefront Sports Park on a 39.28-acre parcel
having SBL# 066.03-1-6.001 located in an IN
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Industrial District under Section 265-7 of the
Code of the Town of Webster of Webster which
was seconded by Derek Meixell.
VOTE:
Mr. Anderson ABSENT
Mr. Kosel AYE
Mr. Malta AYE
Mr. Meixell AYE
Mr. Casciani AYE
Mr. Giardina AYE
Mrs. Wright AYE
(Mark Giardina read the second application):
Located at 1145 Ridge Road. Applicant Mike Mammano is
requesting SIGN APPROVAL to replace (3) existing building mounted signs and associated
tenant panel within the existing monument sign to reflect the business name change on a |.66-
acre parcel having SBL# 079.16-1-22.003 located in an MC Medium Industrial District under
Section 265-7 of the Code of the Town of Webster.
Appearing before the board was Mike Mammano. Good evening. I am with Clinton Signs at
1407 Empire Blvd. We are requesting a change of signage from the Royal Car Wash to the Go
Car Wash. After a very long debate with the customer and everyone involved, we decided to
save the backers that are all up there and pull the Royal Car Wash off the existing white backers
and just add our new letters to the backers. So, no square footage changes. We are putting up
orange letters up on the backer and non-illuminated. There is a gooseneck light that comes over
the top. They are on two sides of the building, and they are going to add an EXIT only and an
ENTER only small panels on the lower portion of the building for exit and enter and there is a
small ground monument sign that has a face change. We will let them know that there is an
opaque background that needs to be done on the ground lit monument sign.
| am surprised that they are putting those entrance and exit. | mean once you
go through the toll gate there and you come in there, where the hell do you think your going?
There is only one way and that’s to go through the entrance.
That makes a very good point. Once you’re in, your in.
Do I need a sign to tell me this is the ENTER? I mean where else can I go? I
know it’s a car wash.
Not only that, would there need to be a variance for the extra two signs?
No, | don’t think so.
They are directional signs vs sign-signs,
Py. 106 /May 2, 2023, Planning Meeting
You are basically doing the same thing that already exists other than those
litle signs. I don’t have an issue. I just don’t understand the logic, exit only. No one is going to
be going in there. There are cars coming out of there. Any issues with this? The signs are
basically going in the same place. Where they have Royal Car Wash and they are putting Car
Wash, we know it’s a car wash. [ would prefer them to say GO Car Wash or something.
They are going to have the GO on the one elevation.
Board members having a discussion.
There is an eight-foot sign there saying it’s a car wash. I know it’s a car
wash.
But part of their name is GO CAR WASH so the car wash is the name, and the
GO is right here (showing on the plans) and the monument on the front.
And facing Ridge Road, yes.
And it is also on the monument sign.
It is not here.
Because the GO is more of a logo part of the sign. They are trying to fit it in to
the existing placards on the building.
My point is, it says right here, ROYAL CAR WASH where you go in and
over here it just says car wash. I would rather see it say GO CAR WASH and make it similar to
the other one or eliminate the sign, you know you are in a car wash. Why do you need a big eight
foot sign up there? It’s alright, if it’s what they want .
Mark Giardina
RESOLUTION
Town of Webster Planning Board considered the request by Applicant, Mike Mammano, to
replace three (3) existing building mounted signs and associated tenant panel within an existing
monument sign for Go Car Wash located at 1145 Ridge Road on a 1.66-acre parce! having SBL
#079.16-1-22.003.
The Planning Board classifies the proposed action to be a Type II Action under Section
617.5(c)(2) of the State Environmental Review (SEQR) Regulations and therefore is not subject
to further review.
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RESOLUTION 23-047 Mark Giardina made a motion for TYPE IT SEQR
[ which was seconded by Dave Malta.
VOTE:
Mr. Anderson ABSENT
Mr. Kosel AYE
Mr. Malta AYE
Mr. Metxell AYE
Mr. Casciani AYE
Mr. Giardina AYE
Mrs. Wright AYE
RESOLUTION 23-048 John Kosel a made a motion for SIGN
APPROVAL Located at 1145 Ridge Road.
Applicant Mike Mammano is requesting SIGN
APPROVAL to replace (3) existing building
mounted signs and associated tenant panel within
the existing monument sign to reflect the business
name change on a 1.66- acre parcel having SBL#
079.16-1-22.003 located in an MC Medium
Industrial District under Section 265-7 of the
Code of the Town of Webster of Webster which
[ was seconded by Derrick Meixell.
John Kose]: Do we have to say anything about the ENTER and EXIT signs?
Well, they are just basically the signs are all in the same place, it’s
just a different name on them. I suppose you could just say as presented. Is that ok with you
Josh?
Yes
VOTE:
Mr. Anderson ABSENT
Mr. Kosel AYE
Mr. Malta AYE
Mr. Meixell AYE
Mr. Casciani AYE
Mr. Giardina AYE
Mrs. Wright AYE
(Mark Giardina read the third application):
Located at 935 Holt Road. Applicant Mike Mammano is
requesting SIGN APPROVAL to replace existing building mounted fagade signs to reflect
[ Panera’s corporate re-branding on a 15.14- acre parcel having SBL# 079.16-1-2.11 located in an
HC High Intensity Commercial District under Section 265-7 of the Code of the Town of
Py. [08 /May 2, 2023. Planning Meenung
Webster.
Appearing before the board was Mike Mammano from Clinton Signs at 1407 Empire Blvd.
Panera Bread has nationally changed their corporate logo. They would just like to take their
letters down off of the building and put the new sign logo in the same spot, same type of thing,
Actually, the newer one does look nice. A little smaller and more distinct.
A little more style to the letters.
Yes, it has that logo on there. What is that three foot by...
It approximately fits into the same square foot area.
fs that sign illuminated?
Individual channel letters. LEDS, internally, yes.
Ok.
So that’s good. Another words, Panera Bread is what is lit, that’s it?
Yes.
How many were there on there?
There are two elevations.
The bottom line is you are just replacing signs that are already there with new
style?
Absolutely.
I know that Derrick had a comment, that the pictures were dark, and he is
correct, but I think there is an adequate number of pictures that are clear that you can see, and
you know what they are referring to so not a biggie.
Mark Giardina
RESOLUTION
Town of Webster Planning Board considered the request by Applicant, Mike Mammano, to
replace existing building mounted signs for Panera located at 935 Holt Road ona 15.14-acre
parcel having SBL #079.16-1-2.11.
Pg. 109 /May 2. 2023, Planning Meeting
The Planning Board classifies the proposed action to be a Type [I Action under Section
617.5(c)(2) of the State Environmental Review (SEQR) Regulations and therefore is not subject
to further review.
RESOLUTION 23-049 Mark Giardina made a motion for TYPE IT SEQR
which was seconded by Derrick Meixell.
VOTE:
Mr. Anderson ABSENT
Mr. Kosel AYE
Mr. Malta AYE
Mr. Meixell AYE
Mr. Casciani AYE
Mr. Giardina AYE
Mrs. Wright AYE
Basically, it’s the same signs only different print.
RESOLUTION 23-050 John Kose! a made a motion for SIGN
APPROVAL Located at 935 Holt Road.
Applicant Mike Mammano is requesting SIGN
APPROVAL to replace existing building mounted
fagade signs to reflect Panera’s corporate re-
branding on a 15.14- acre parcel having SBL#
079.16-1-2.11 located in an HC High Intensity
Commercial District under Section 265-7 of the
Code of the Town of Webster of Webster which
was seconded by Derrick Meixell.
VOTE:
Mr. Anderson ABSENT
Mr. Kosel AYE
Mr. Malta AYE
Mr. Meixell AYE
Mr. Casciani AYE
Mr. Giardina AYE
Mrs. Wright AYE
(Mark Giardina read the fourth application):
SAGE SIGN; Located at 811 Ridge Road. Applicant Amy Catalano is requesting SIGN
APPROVAL to allow the installation of a 11.5 SF building mounted fagade sign to reflect a new
business within the Webster Woods Plaza on a 1.26- acre parce! having SBL# 079. 18-t-69.112
located in an MC Medium Intensity Commercial District under Section 265-7 of the Code of
the Town of Webster.
Pg. 110 (May 2, 2023, Planning Meeting
Appearing before the board was Amy Catalano with Vital Signs at 764 Ridge Road. We are
proposing this non lit sign panel, flush mount to the building. This elevation faces Hooligans in
case you are not aware. It is not facing Five Mile or Ridge. It’s kind of on that corner but facing
Hooligans.
Is there going to be a sign on the other side or any other signage on the other
side to reflect the businesses there?
No there is not. They each have there own and there is a separate entrance on the
other side. So, this would be her entrance and that is where the sign is going to go.
That sign is kind of big, can you make it half that sized? Just Kidding!!!
We could make that twice the size.
Just Kidding!!! (LAUGHTER)
Is there a sign there now that it is replacing?
There is nothing there now. It is just the address.
That is kind of what I thought.
And she has gotten approval from the building owner.
When did you take that picture with all that snow?
Awhile a go.
What is Sage? What is this? What kind of business?
I am kind of going to make it up. 1 am not 100% sure but I think there is some
life coaching and support groups, that sort of thing.
Ok.
Is this sign illuminated? Is there gooseneck lighting there?
I don’( believe there is any lighting there right now. There may be some external
lighting but the panel itself is not lit.
And that is the only sign? They are not putting a monument sign out or in the
monument.
No
Pg. LLL (May 2, 2023, Planning Meeting
If they did it would fit into what is existing monument sign that they have so.
Right.
That is up to them. I don’t see any issues, anybody?
NO
Mark Giardina
RESOLUTION
Town of Webster Planning Board considered the request by Applicant, Amy Catalano, to install
an 11.5-square foot building mounted facade sign for Sage located at 811 Ridge Road on a 1.26-
acre parcel having SBL # 079.18-1-69.112.
The Planning Board classifies the proposed action to be a Type II Action under Section
617.5(c)(2) of the State Environmental Review (SEQR) Regulations and therefore is not subject
to further review.
RESOLUTION 23-051 Mark Giardina made a motion for TYPE II SEQR
which was seconded by John Kosel.
VOTE:
Mr. Anderson ABSENT
Mr. Kosel AYE
Mr. Malta AYE
Mr. Meixell AYE
Mr. Cascitani AYE
Mr. Giardina AYE
Mrs. Wright AYE
Conversations amongst board about the correct address.
Technically it is 811 Ridge Road. It is the physical location.
RESOLUTION 23-052 John Kosel a made a motion for SIGN
APPROVAL Located at 811 Ridge Road.
Applicant Amy Catalano is requesting SIGN
APPROVAL to allow the installation of a 11.5 SF
building mounted fagade sign to reflect a new
business within the Webster Woods Plaza on a
1.26- acre parcel having SBL# 079.18-1-69,112
located in an MC Medium Intensity Commercial
District under Section 265-7 of the Code of the
Town of Webster which was seconded by Derrick
Meixell.
Py. 112 /May 2. 2023. Planning Meeting
VOTE:
Mr. Anderson ABSENT
Mr. Kosel AYE
Mr. Malta AYE
Mr. Meixell AYE
Mr. Casciani AYE
Mr. Giardina AYE
Mrs. Wright AYE
(Mark Giardina read the fifth application):
Located at 950 Ridge
Road. Applicant Greg Moyer is requesting PRELIMINARY/FINAL SITE PLAN
APPROVAL (
PUBLIC HEARING
to allow modifications to the existing building including
construction of a loading dock, demolition and reconstruction of an existing outdoor storage
area and associated site improvements (widening of sidewalk and addition of ADA parking
spaces) on a 37,91- acre parcel having SBL# 079.15-1-1.312 located in an HC High Intensity
Commercial District under Section 269-11 of the Code of the Town of Webster.
Appearing before the board was Chase Kramer and I am with CED, and we are representing out
client, Widewaters and joining me tonight is my colleague, Kurt. We are basically going to be
redoing the building out at the Webster Plaza at 950 Ridge Road. So, we are going to be splitting
the former Kmart into two spaces. One for a future tenant and one for a Harbor Freight and in
addition to this work we are going to be expanding the sidewalk out front from 7 feet to [2 feet
and throwing in some ADA ramps for the tenant and Harbor Freight and then moving out
towards...Oh, and also relocating some of the existing ADA spaces just to meet compliance and
make the ADA spots more accessible for the future tenants.
Moving out towards the back of the building we will be installing a new recessed truck dock and
a small building expansion for that truck dock. At the rear, because of the expansion and the
recessed truck dock we are going to have to bump out the drive isle in the back a little bit to
accommodate that. Total to for site is about Jess than half an acre and that is pretty much it.
Probably one thing you should do on your finished drawing is correct your
proposed and future. You have 41,000 square feet on both of them.
So, the future one is 41,000 and the Harbor Freight is going to be around 16,000
square feet.
Yes, you should probably change that one there.
Absolutely.
You are widening the sidewalk in the front and just carrying it straight
across?
Pg. 113 ‘May 2, 2023. Planning Meeting
Correct.
To match up with the rest of it?
Correct.
Now the back, the back of that building and I don’t think it is Harbor Freight
issue, it 1s probably more Widewaters but the area that has a wood covering all over it, it is a
mess. It is absolutely disgusting. The bottom is rotted out, there is papers and all sorts of trash
stuck under it. I don’t know what they are proposing to do with that.
We forwarded on some of these comments to the owner and they have been made
aware of it. So, they said they would look into taking care of that.
I think that we should pul that in that it be cleaned up and repaired as a
condition.
Sure, we can pass that along.
It has nothing to do with Harbor Freight, it is to do with the building itself
which is Widewaters.
Right...... correct.
The other thing is you have your loading dock now; you are going to hollow
that down? You are going to drop, and you have a drain at the bottom, so you are going to drop it
down about 2-3 feet or something?
Correct
And that stil] will collect the sewer out there in the back?
So that will not catch the sewer. We are going to have to install a pump to pump
out the water and then that will tie into the relocated storm line that runs in the back in the
building.
Yes, ok. I see it there. You have a storm water sump pump. Yes, I see it.
Yes
I didn’t see it before.
How is Harbor Freight getting there inventory?
Pg. 114 /May 2, 2023, Planning Meeting
I believe they are going to be getting it through their front door. They didn’t have
any plans to bring anything out back.
[ am from Store crafters. We have been a Harbor Freight general contractor for
ten years and we are located here in Rochester, and we are going to be the general contractor of
INAUDIBLE. Harbor Freight is proposing to bring in......they bring all their merchandise
through the loadtng dock area, and it delivers two times a month in four trucks. It is going where
the garden center 1s. They are proposing to make that the loading dock area. So, it is going off
the side of the building in the back.
So, they are just going to be loading back by the door right there?
Yes
So, again, my comment in the PRC was the loading dock that is proposed the
one that you are going down and in with, is that for Ollies or is that for both?
Harbor Freight will have their own loading dock area. They don’t share. That is
because Harbor Freight is taking the end at the garden center over so off to the side where the
garden center is, will be taken out the garden center and we will be opening that up to make that
the loading dock area.
But your loading dock is...
So that will be for the future tenant that has not been named yet because they will
be installing walls, so Harbor Freight has the 16,000 square foot portion of the building to the
south and they are going to be loading their product from the outdoor storage area.
Ok, I gotcha but my question is, there is no proposed actual loading dock .
Correct
Where you drive into it. Another words, you are not changing the structure
the extertor.
No
Ok. Now the loading dock that you are proposing is in the back of where
Ollies is.
Yes
The main one there, that is for Ollies or is that...
Pg. 115 /May 2. 2023, Planning Meeting
That 1s going to be for the future tenant. They are preparing that for a future
tenant.
A future tenant?
Do they know who the future tenant is?
No, not yet.
They are preparing a loading dock for someone they don’t even know if they need
one.
with Bergman as Chase mentioned. Widewaters has a tenant in mind. They
have not signed any lease agreements specifically. That tenant would require a loading dock and
they also know that there are several other tenants that they have talked to and as part of that it
makes the space much more marketable to have a separate loading dock and with Harbor Freight
taking that end of the building, there was not options for them to be able to access out that way
so part of the plan is to make that more marketable and hopefully the tenant that they have in
mind will be signing soon and then they will be able to take care of that.
So, when you say future tenant right now, that is not where Ollie’s is?
Correct. So, Ollies is just towards the north of that. Ollie’s loading dock is actually as you
go up the building wall and you kind of go around, right on the outside corner there to the north,
and I know it’s a little hard to see from here (SHOWING ON THE PLANS) the loading dock is
on the back corner so where we are with a loading dock is down here and Ollie’s trucks come in
and back up over here.
Ok, so that loading dock that you are proposing, the one you are digging out,
lowered down, that is for the future tenant
Correct.
Ok, now I got it.
It actually accesses like the warehouse area in the back of the building which was the
former Kmart spot so that is why that dock positioned there because it is kind of in the back and
used it for storage and things like that and make it more acceptable for the truck deliveries.
Ok. Is there anything else?
So, what you are saying, in that former Kmart building there is going to be three
businesses?
No, just two. Just Harbor Freight and whatever future tenant.
Py. 116 /May 2, 2023, Planning Meeting
Well, Ollies is there too,
EVERYONE SPEAKING AT ONE TIME.
I was not sure how that was divided because there is a demised wall that was put in Kmart.
That was an awfully big Kmart then.
Ollies come right down to this,
There is a space in the middle.
Yes, it is a little hard to see on this map, but you can see there is almost about a 1/34 of
although Harbor Freight is really not taking a 1/3™ of the building because they have a back
house but you can see where that demised wall is so I guess this was the Kmart footprint and
Ollies has this piece up here which is kind of this chunk. Then there is a future tenant. It kind of
L’s around Harbor Freight.
Ok.
There is one other quick change to the plans we originally submitted. It had a sidewalk as
part of Widewaters and we had it continuing it all the way down ail the way down in front of that
garden center, which is down by the Harbor Freight so we since found out that Harbor Freight is
responsibility cuts off at the corner there so on our plans it will submit for signatures and things
like that, we just show that kind of hashed out and say it is by others. That sidewalk will be built
but it is not part of the landlord or Widewater responsibility for that piece. Harbor Freight will be
responsible.
It will go out to the same length?
Yes, same way it just won’t....Widewater won’t be building that so our drawings will be a
little bit different in that corner.
Yeah, not a big issue. So, Harbor Freight then, you will be putting doors on
the side for the loading and so on, right?
Correct.
Yes, the biggest concern that I have with this is the back of that building.
That’s in really, really rough shape. It has nothing to do with Harbor Freight, it’s Widewater and
I don’t know what we can do with that but, That is not a pretty picture back there. Anybody have
any ideas, I don’t know.
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(SPEAKING FROM THE AUDIENCE) So, if you make it a stipulation and I
will tell you in 10 years of doing Harbor Freight, they won ‘t turnover a store INAUDIBLE
(TOO MANY PAPERS RATTLING) as a general contractor because that is visible to where
their customers will be parking, Harbor Freight will work with the landlord on their behalf and
they will clean that up. Harbor Freight will not open that store up with it looking like that.
So if we put tt in a resolution looking for cooperation to maintain that. OK
Would that go in....this is for the site plan approval for the Widewaters so
would we put that in as a stipulation for this or for the Harbor Freight?
Well, it’s all one application. The drawing is one and showing the loading
dock over here for future tenant and the proposed Harbor Freight so it’s all one but the back
of that building is where I am referring to that is a mess.
I understand but there was a separate application for Harbor Freight, they had
their own application, and this is the Widewaters application. They are two separate things OR
am | misunderstanding that because Harbor Freight came in with their own package; own
signage and there own what they planned on doing and this is what the building owner, the
landlord plans to do to the site to get it ready for Harbor Freight to come in.
Good question, | am assuming it is all one.
Last month they were here primarily here for signage for the Harbor Freight, and
they are also requesting the approval to reuse the outdoor storage from the former garden center,
but I think because that gentleman was traveling from California, we had tried to consolidate
efforts so that everything could get approved through the application tonight, the remaining
elements. So, everything that is going to occur should be shown on these plans.
Which is what they’ ve got.
Right.
Ok.
Does that make sense? Is that your understanding of it?
It is tuff for me to say because I don’t know what Harbor Freights responsibility in terms of
what they are doing in that garden center area, so | can’t say that can. I have not seen any of
their plans.
Ok. Well, they were provided at the last meeting and essentially, they are
converting the fenced in area to the loading dock that you just described and that is going to be
fully enclosed, to your understanding. Is that right?
Py. 118 /May 2, 2023, Planning Meeting
(SPEAKING FROM OUT IN THE AUDIENCE) it 1s not enclosed INAUDIBLE
] am just assuming that everything is on this drawing is what is being
proposed for preliminary approval. The loading dock and so on and so forth. On the drawings, I
cul the sheets out that I wanted, you have the full sheet, and it is probably showing Harbor
Freights side entrance where they are proposing doors and stuff and it shows it on there. So, that
is the whole drawing so as far as Harbor Freight, we don’t have any issues with that, correct?
NO
They are making some modifications they are not rebuilding a building or
anything. A couple of doors being changed. The only concern that J have is the loading dock and
the back but that is for a future tenant, your saying back there.
Before us INAUDIBLE
The whole thing
We don’t even know who the future tenant is going to be.
I don’t care as long as they are putting a building up and a loading dock and
whoever they rent it to, repairs the building. If they is anything that needs to be brought in, then
they would have to come in same as Harbor Freight for change of use or whatever the heck they
are going to do.
I just misunderstood because last time was a sign package, but we also talked
about the garden area and now we are talking about the rest of it.
I know.
I was just trying to clarify what was Harbor Freight and what was Widewaters.
So, it sounds like for the building itself and the area that the stipulation needs to go into the
Widewaters approval for the site.
So, we could approval this thing as presented.
Right. The only question that I have is apparently the building plans that were
submitted show an overhead door on the south elevation of the building towards the west end, of
the back corner.
Right for Harbor Freight.
Josh Artuso and Lori Schindler discussing plans.
Is that correct for the future tenant?
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Is there an existing door there?
No, we shouldn’t have had any door there of which I am aware. (VIEWING PLANS)
There are a few comments actually. (SEE ATTACHED LIST OF
COMMENTS FROM PRC)
Chase Kramer reads the list out loud:
Webster Square Plaza Tenant Renovations
Review of proposed modifications / improvements to the former Kmart
space to accommodate 2 new tenants at 950 Ridge Road.
Community Development:
« Widening of sidewalks along front of plaza; restriping of parking area and
addition of ADA accessible parking spaces.
e New recessed loading dock in rear of property; need to assess impacts to
sanitary and storm sewers.
e Appears that an expansion of the drive aisle behind the plaza will need to be
expanded to accommodate proposed loading dock.
¢ Clarification on site plan and tenant spaces still needed.
Building Department:
¢ Plans submitted with bidg. permit application shows Ollie’s to remain as existing
tenant.
e Plans show an overhead door on the south side of building.
Yes, and my concern was according to our building inspector told us, it is ina
location of the existing transformer and the electrical equipment. So, I am just wondering if...
I don’t see an overhead door on our plans, so I am confused by the comment, I guess. If
these comments are based on these plans, there is no overhead door specified in these.
Correct, not on the site plan but the building plans for the building permit for the
build out,
For Harbor Freight?
No. Isn’t that space connected to the future tenant space?
It is.
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Someone submitted plans for that show an overhead door where the electrical
equipment ts outside,
Well, we didn’t as part of our application.
Ok. We will have to reconcile that and double check.
| don’t know if maybe it was cross reference with the overhead door that Harbor Freight
that she was talking about that was going to be their !oading door.
But that wouldn't be over there. That would be along the fagade of the plaza.
[am not aware of that. Our plans don’t show that so I would have to see it in order to
answer that question.
Ok.
As far as I know there is nothing planned. That is why we are putting a truck back-in.
Right, that is why we were a little confused when we were going through the review
process . [ will work with the building inspector to clarify things.
Ok.
I just wanted to confirm that there was no door proposed to go there.
And there would be no site improvements that I would know. That would be a building
permit issue as well, right?
Absolutely
Actually, Mark just handed me the papers/maps from Harbor Freight that they
were in with before. LOOKING OVER THE PLANS.
Shouldn’t we be talking about what is in front of us right now?
Yes, but they are talking about the doors and the plans we have don’t show
any.
So, then there is no door on this plan.
No. Do you know what if they put doors in, does it matter? It’s really not
changing anything.
Kurt approached Anthony Casciani and they discuss the plans of Harbor Freight with the door.
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T suppose what we could do is approve it. We are approving this drawing
here and it doesn’t show anything on it. Approve this the way it is. They have the loading dock
in the back ; they have widened the asphalt which was a concern to go around, correct? They did
that so they have met everything from PRC in my opinion. That would allow us to give approval
for what they are showing. The only thing that we don’t know is where they are cutting
openings for Harbor Freight, the doors and we could make that subject to Engineering, couldn't
we? John, what do you think of that? (Connection was lost via phone)
I think that we can handle these remaining issues with the Building Department.
Where do we care where the door goes, you know. If it’s electrical that is up
to the town, Engineering.
Correct. If it needs to be relocated and it sounds like it doesn’t. I think we can...
So, we can keep moving with this.
| agree.
And then deal with Harbor Freights cuts and so on and so forth.
Right
And that is a separate issue Under the town administration
Correct. The only other thing I want to mention is we did not find record of an
easement over the sanitary sewer pump so we need to look to Widewaters to potentially grant us
an easement so we can have rights to maintain the sewer that is back there.
I would say just reach out to Greg at Widewaters and discuss that with him. | can’t
imagine that they would be opposed to that. It is the town sewer so it would seem to make sense
and | think we have allotted enough room in our clearance to maintain it.
So, lets back right off to what we have in front of us. Talking about widening
the concrete out in front, putting in a loading dock basically in the back and one of the concerns
was to have the width and you are showing that and widening the asphalt to go around that.
Provisions for pump out for water down into the pit. Anything else you guys, see? I don’t see
anything else that is a concern for the site.
The provision to clean up the back.
Yes, will put that in there, Again, this is a public hearing, if there is anyone
here wishing to speak for or against this project? Not seeing anyone, we will close the public
hearing and bring it back to the board. Ok, what we want to do is correct the drawing with the
square footage numbers you have here . Well, lets put it in a resolution and be done with it all.
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So why don’t you do SEQR on it first and then we wil! do preliminary, and we will put that all in
there. Go ahead Mark, do you want to do a preliminary?
SEQR?
Oh yes, SEQR
Mark Giardina
RESOLUTION
Town of Webster Planning Board considered the request by Applicant, Greg Moyer, to modify
the existing building, construction of a loading dock, demolition and reconstruction of an
existing outside storage area, and associated site improvement located at 950 Ridge Road on a
37.91-acre parcel having SBL #079.15-1-1.312.
The Planning Board classifies the proposed action to be a Type II Action under Section
617.5(c)(2) and (9) of the State Environmental Review (SEQR) Regulations and therefore is not
subject to further review.
RESOLUTION 23-053 Mark Giardina made a motion for TYPE IJ SEQOR
which was seconded by Derek Meixell
VOTE:
Mr. Anderson ABSENT
Mr. Kosel AYE
Mr. Malta AYE
Mr. Meixell AYE
Mr. Casciani AYE
Mr. Giardina AYE
Mrs. Wright AYE
RESOLUTION 23-054 Dave Malta made a motion for Located at 950
Ridge Road. Applicant Greg Moyer is requesting
PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN APPROVAL
(
PUBLIC HEARING
to allow modifications to
the existing building including construction of a
loading dock, demolition and reconstruction of an
existing outdoor storage area and associated site
improvements (widening of sidewalk and addition
of ADA parking spaces) on a 37.91- acre parcel
having SBL# 079.15-1-1.342 Jocated in an HC
High Intensity Commercial District under Section
269-11 of the Code of the Town of Webster
which was seconded by Derek Meixell.
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PRELIMI Y APPROVAL
. Subject to PRC comments
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Town of Webster.
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Proceed to Final approval.
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All the improvements shall be constructed according to the specification of the
All sitework is to be in compliance with the standards of the Town of Webster.
Comply with all requirements of any State, County, or Town agency.
Address drainage, lighting, signage, landscaping, buffering, berming, and snow
Approvals are subject to Drawing No: 23002306A Dated: 2023
CORRECT THE TENANT SPACE SQUARE FOOTAGES ON PLANS
REPAIR/REPLACE THE WOOD SIDING ON REAR PORTION OF BUILDING
Yes, ] would like to make it a little firmer than that, but I don’t know how to. The
current wood siding should be renovated and repaired, whatever.
VOTE:
Mr. Anderson ABSENT
Mr. Kosel AYE
Mr. Malta AYE
Mr. Meixell AYE
Mr. Casciani AYE
Mr. Giardina AYE
Mrs. Wright AYE
RESOLUTION 23-055
Dave Malta made a motion for Located at 950
Ridge Road. Applicant Greg Moyer is requesting
FINAL SITE PLAN APPROVAL (PUBLIC
HEARING to allow modifications to the existing
building including construction of a loading dock,
demolition and reconstruction of an existing
outdoor storage area and associated site
improvements (widening of sidewalk and addition
of ADA parking spaces) on a 37.91- acre parcel
having SBL# 079.15-1-1.312 located in an HC
High Intensity Commercial District under Section
269-1! of the Code of the Town of Webster
which was seconded by John Kosel.
CHECKLIST FOR FINAL APPROVAL
1. Subject to Project Review Committee comments
2. Subject to Preliminary Approval conditions.
3. Subject to all applicable governmental fees.
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4. Subject to Department of Public Works approvals. (ANTHONY CASCIANI:
AND THIS ONE HERE WILL BE COVERED BY THE WORK THAT WOULD
BE DONE BY THE TOWN THEN)
5. Significant construction shall occur within one year, as deemed by the Planning
Board, to expire on May 2, 2024.
6. The conditions of Preliminary and Final approval are depicted on the cover page
of the final designed plans.
Do they need a letter of credit for this?
Are you going to be tapping in or doing any work or modifications to the storm
sewer?
Storm sewer is private, and we do need to do some improvements because we need to do
the lateral that runs across the back of the building and has to be bumped out around the new
truck dock and then we are going to tie that truck dock into it . So, it’s kind of a relocation of that
main. [ don’t think that would be public
Yeah, I don’t think and the sanitary used
. Subject to resolution of final approved minutes.
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8. CORRECT THE TENANT SPACE SQUARE FOOTAGES ON PLANS.
9. REPAIR/REPLACE THE WOOD SIDING ON REAR PORTION OF
BUILDING.
VOTE:
Mr. Anderson ABSENT
Mr. Kosel AYE
Mr. Malta AYE
Mr. Meixell AYE
Mr. Casciani AYE
Mr. Giardina AYE
Mrs. Wright AYE
Minutes were approved for April 4, 2023. (John Kosel,
seconded by Jennifer Wright)
With no other applications before the Board this evening Dave Malta concluded tonight’s
meeting at 8:00 PM.
Respectfully Submitted,
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Mark Giardina, Secretary
Katherine Kolich, Recording Secretary
Sign¢
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