Minutes

WEBSTER

TOWN PLANNING

BOARD

MINUTES

PRESENT:

ABSENT:

Anthony Casciani, Chairman

Derek Anderson

Dave Malta, Vice Chairman

Josh Artuso

Mark Giardina, Secretary

John

Kosel

Peggy Maltman

Erika Corsi

Katherine Kolich, Recording Secretary

Frank Ciardi, Attorney

NOT CLOSE ENOUGH WHEN SPEAKING)

Pledge of Allegiance/ Roll Call.

Mark Giardina made a motion to appoint

David Malta be appointed Vice Chairman of thee

All in favor.

Peggy Maltman made a motion to appoint Mark Giardina as Secretary. Seconded by: Dave

Malta.

All in favor.

Summary overview of outcome:

TABLED MATTERS

:

WATERVIEW

Applicant:

PHASE III

LEGACY DEVELOPMENT

CO.

TABLED

The applicant requested removal from the January agenda and will go before the board

in February*

SCHEDULED

MATTERS:

SOLAR PV SYSTEM

Applicant:

BELLE BEACHNER

Statu%: APPROVED

WITH ACES ENERGY

AS PRESENTED

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IN- LAW APARTMENT

Applicant:

DANIEL

NOBLE

AS PRESENTED

DECLARATION

BILL GRAYS SIGNAGE

Applicant:

CHARLES

KELLEY

Applicant to add property address to monument sign

Monument sign to be maximum

SCOTTISH

SHORTBREAD

AN MACDONALD

LEGACY

10 feet in height

CO. SIGNAGE

TABLED

GAMES SIGNAGE

TABLED

BRAMAN

NATURE

Applicant:

LORNA WRIGHT

PRESERVE

SIGNAGE

Applicant to add property address to signage

DECLARATION

VISION AUTO GROUP

Applicant:

ROBERT SANDERS

AS PRESENTED

RG& E STATION

Applicant:

73

ERIC THORNE WITH RG& E

PROVIDED:

Buildings should be made to resemble residential dwellings, consider adding gabled roofs,

faux windows and shutters.

MCALPIN

INDUSTRIES

PROVIDED:

General support for the project; proceed with formal engineering design plan and

application.

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Mark Giardina read the first application)

Mile Drive. Applicant Legacy Development Co., Inc will provide an update to the Board on the

current status of their application relating to the stormwater design requirements associated with

the proposed construction of six ( 6) two- story buildings consisting of 56 total residential units

and one ( 1) community center on a 13. 5- acre parcel having SBL# 093. 06- 364. 11 located in an

MHR Medium High Residential

District under Section 269- 1 land 350- 14 of the Code of the

Town of Webster.

TABLED TO FUTURE DATE

Mark Giardina read the .second application)

SOLAR PV SYSTEM:

Located at 1822 Lake Road. Applicant

Belle Beachner with ACES

PRELIMINARY/ FINAL

SITE

PLAN

APPROVAL ( PUBLIC

Energy is requesting

HEARING) associated with the installation of a 24. 56 kW AC ground mounted solar PV system

consisting of 64 solar panels and 64 microinverters on a 5. 0- acre parcel having SBL# 037. 03- 133. 1 located in an LL Large Lot Single Family Residential District under Section 269- l 1 of the

Code of the Town of Webster.

Appearing before the board was Steve Miloaiczyk and I' m with ACES Energy in Honeoye Falls

and we are looking to do a solar system. It is a ground mounted system. It is going to be several

hundred feet off the road behind quite a few trees and the setback from other properties also.

reviewed it, and you had to go get a variance. It would have been nice if we could have just

approved it and went and got the variance. I don' t think... does anyone have an issues from the

last meeting. I think... did we do a SEQR on this?

hearing. This is for a solar panel project down on Lake Road if there are any neighbors that wish

to speak. None, so we will close the public hearing for this project and bring it back. Anybody?

RESOLUTION

25- 001

Dave Malta made a motion for PRELIMINARY

APPROVAL

Located

at

1822

Lake

Road.

Applicant Belle Beachner with ACES Energy is

reque. ting PRELIMINARY/ FINAL SITE PLAN

APPROVAL ( PUBLIC

HEARING)

associated

with the installation of a 24. 56 kW AC ground

mounted solar PV system consisting of 64 solar

panels and 64 microinverters on a 5. 0- acre parcel

having SBL# 037.03- 1- 33. 1 located in an LL Large

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Lot

Single

family

Residential

District

under

Section 269- 1 l of the Code of the Town of Webster

which was seconded by John Kosel.

VOTE:

PRELIMINARY

Mr. Casciani

AYE

Mr. Malta

AYE

Mr. Giardina

AYE

Mr. Anderson

ABSENT

Mr. Kosel

AYE

Mrs. Maltman

AYE

APPROVAL

1. Subject to PRC comments

2. Subject to the determination of the ZBA for requested variances.

3. All the improvements shall be constructed according to the specification of the

Town of Webster.

4. All sitework is to be in compliance

with the standards

of the Town of Webster.

5. Comply with all requirements of any State, County, or Town agency.

6. Address drainage, lighting, signage, landscaping, buffering, berming, and snow

storage

7. Approvals are subject to Drawing No:

8. Proceed

RESOLUTION

to Final

PV I

Dated:

approval.

25- 002

Dave

Malta

made

APPROVAL

a

Located

motion

1822

at

for

FINAL

Lake

Road.

Applicant

Belle Beachner with ACES Energy is

requesting

FINAL SITE PLAN APPROVAL

PUBLIC

HEARING)

associated

with

the

installation of a 24.56 kW AC ground mounted

solar PV system consisting of 64 solar panels and

64 microinverters on a 5. 0- acre parcel having SBL#

037. 03- 1- 33. 1

located

in an LL Large

Lot Single

Family Residential District under Section 269- 1 1 of

the

Code

of the

Town

of Webster

which

was

seconded by Mark Giardina.

FINAL APPROVAL

1. Subject

to Project

Review

Committee

comments

2. Subject to Preliminary Approval conditions.

3. Subject to all applicable governmental

4. Subject to Department

5. Significant construction shall occur within one year, as deemed by the

fees.

of Public Works approvals.

Planning Board, to expire On 1. 7. 26

6. The conditions of Preliminary and Final approval are depicted on the cover page

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of the final designed plans.

7. Subject

to resolution

of final approved

8. Approvals are subject to Drawing No:

minutes.

PV 1

Dated:

VOTE:

Mr. Casciani

AYE

Mr. Malta

AYE

Mr. Giardina

AYE

Mr. Anderson

ABSENT

Mr. Kosel

AYE

Mrs. Maltman

AYE

Mark Giardina read the third application)

IN-LAW APARTMENT. Located at 1235 Lake Walk. Applicant Daniel Noble is requesting an

Accessory Apartment WAIVER for overall size and to have the entrance at the front of the

structure, associated with the construction of an 880 SF addition to be located behind the existing

garage located on a . 79- acre lot having SBL# 050. 01- 2- 11 located in the R- 1 Single Family

Residential Zoning District under Section 350- 50E of the Code of the Town of Webster.

Appearing before the board was Rich Chester and 1 am the property owner at 1235 Lake Walk

along with my wife, Barb and we are requesting two waivers relative to the build of an accessory

apartment that will be located behind our existing garage added to the house to look as though it

has always been there. The first waiver is relevant to the overall size and the second waiver is the

placement of a front door if you will to the apartment.

it. It' s... the way the code reads, you can' t have a front door, it should have a separate entrance

and where they have located it, it' s good. Square footage, you are ok with that. ( NOT CLOSE

ENOUGH TO THE MIC... Its 2688 square feet , 888 is the proposed addition so that falls within

the perimeter of the code.

of the gross floor area of the principal dwelling excluding the floor area of an accessory apartment

OR 750 sq feet, whichever is less so the applicant is within the 35 % but they exceed the 750 sq

feet which is the reason for the second waiver.

to say, this is one of the most complete applications that I have seen in a long time. You did a

really good job with this.

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One we did try to look at an addition that would be a little smaller that would fit within that 750

sq feet but we really are attempting to incorporate some universal design for future handicapped

access ability, so the rooms are a little bit larger to allow for wheelchair access at some point in

the future. There are some peculiars of the house. Where this addition fits behind the garage

there is currently between the garage and the house, an area of the living space that is just over a

crawl space. It doesn' t abut the basement so we didn' t really have the opportunity...... it would

be less efficient to put the mechanicals for this addition into the basement and make the long runs

across the crawl space out into the addition so approximately 60 square feet of that additional 130

is mechanical space for a furnace and a water heater there and you are looking at an area of 10 X

13 roughly over what is permitted. When you make the bathroom a little bit bigger to make it fit

a wheelchair and when you make the bedroom a little bit bigger so you can run a wheelchair and

access around the bed.

the garage there, it' s kind of a little bit of a walk.

possible to go through the house. I think the entrance there on the side is for the most part

designed to allow for a guest to come and visit without having to go through the main house.

That is why it is done with a little covered overhang area so you can stand out of the rain when

you ring the doorbell and to be frank, it also gives us room to build in the future if necessary to

build an accessibility ramp to run aside of the garage to get up to that space.

I like what you are doing to have an in- law or have someone move into a place like that, you are

to be commended

for that.

one. ( LAUGHTER)

the back, and somebody had the same thing going to here and I said, geez, I hope my kids do

the same thing and is said, Oh, 1 didn' t see you back there. ( LAUGHTER)

RESOLUTION

25- 003

Anthony Casciani made a motion for an

UNLISTED

ACTION- NEGATIVE

DECLARATION ( so no impact on the

environment on this particular case) which was

seconded by Dave Malta.

VOTE:

Mr. Casciani

AYE

Mr. Malta

AYE

Mr. Giardina

AYE

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RESOLUTION

NIL-. Anderson

ABSENT

Mr. Kosel

AYE

Mrs. Maltman

AYE

25- 004

Anthony

Casciani

APPROVAL

a motion

for FINAL

FOR THE WAIVER

OF IN- LAW

APARTMENT

made

Located

at

1235

Lake

Walk.

Applicant Daniel Noble is requesting an Accessory

Apartment

WAIVER

for overall size and to have

the entrance at the front of the structure, associated

with the construction

of an 880 SF addition

to be

located behind the existing garage located on a . 79-

acre lot having SBL# 050.01- 2- 11 located in the RI Single Family Residential Zoning District under

Section

350- 50E

of the

Code

of the

Town

of

Webster which was seconded by Mark Giardina.

WAIVER APPROVAL

To comply with 225 491 of the ACCESSORY APARTMENT CODE

Utility service is one service.

VOTE:

Mr. Casciani

AYE

Mr. Malta

AYE

Mr. Giardina

AYE

Mr. Anderson

ABSENT

Mr. Kosel

AYE

Mrs. Maltman

AYE

Mark Giardina read the fourth application)

a CONDITIONAL

SIGN APPROVAL

associated

with the construction

of( 2) 100 SF and ( 1)

180 SF single faced building mounted facade signs located on a 6. 7- acre lot having SBL# 079. 15I- I. 1 located in the HC High Intensity Commercial Zoning District under Section 265- 7 of the

Code of the Town of Webster.

Appearing before the board was Jim Gray from Bill Grays Restaurants. We were with you guys

about a year and half ago talking about the front face of the building. We have already completed

the liquor store and now we are moving onto the restaurant portion and the continuation down to

the end for the third tenant as well as the proposed monument sign that we were asking for on

Hard Road.

your looking for what, 20 foot....

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November and we discussed then.

why do you need a sign that big.

Hard and Ridge is 20 feet high.

other signs along Ridge Road, they are all six foot and they have...... 1 just went through them all

today, I just took a survey of them and all six foot high. Even Hooligans is, it' s a 6 foot high sign

and they have like 16 establishments on it, and you only have four. So, when you are coming

down Hard Road from Ridge going north, that sign is going to be a huge panel right by your

entrance there. I don' t know why it can' t conform bottom line, I guess.

Charles Kelly. I am the General Contractor. So, you have to go to the north where they are talking.

It' s not up there it' s down. ( VIEWING ON THE SCREEN WHERE THIS SIGN IS LOCATED)

The first sign I was talking about is right there and from top to base is 20 feet.

and that sign was a preexisting nonconforming.

That is before the code changed. So, that sign

has been there longer than you or

1. The other ones are all 6 foot high and to get a sign that big,

what do we do with the next person that comes in because the code says 6 foot. See and then next

week will have someone coming in and we went a 20 foot sign. Try and keep things.— the other

issue, in our guidelines it refers to signage and so on, planning development guidelines and the

sign is supposed to be like Bill Gray' s that you have there for this sign but home of the greatest

cheeseburger, is that necessary.

That is not part of the sign. That is an advertisement up there.

EVERYONE TALKING AT THE SAME TIME.

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got rid of that didn' t we. So, how do we get this into perspective.

up, it is technically 2 spaces that is what we are trying to say. It' s two spaces but basically in the

same place. Bill Gray' s has always been.... especially with our restaurant and tap room are two

separate and they have always been divided. Clear and separate entrances and we have always

had signage to reflect both. So, that is why we are proposing that and obviously Bill Gray' s in

the center to show that that whole section is Bill Gray' s, and one side is the restaurant, the other

side is the tap room.

if they were made smaller or something. We are putting commercials up and these are some of

the things that according to the guidelines... that is what we have gotten away from. Now we are

referring back to this and saying.

We did a three D drawing that had this on it and each one of those signs were present and around

and the only real question was the monument sign. ( ANTHONY

CASCIANI

SPEAKING

AT

THE SAME TIME)

is against everything. Where is the hardship and you have to go in for a variance next week for

these things.

What' s going to be the claim for the hardship? You are going to have to convince

the board that there is a difficulty.

to this tonight for what they need next week so let' s try and maintain what we need tonight for

the Planning Board.

how or what for the variance... you have to look at that side to.

of what the Planning Board can do tonight.

been. To look at what the future is, the next move for this.

That is called Planning so the next

step for them would be to go to the Zoning Board so my question is the Zoning Board and helps

me understand how the Zoning Board would look at this to get a variance.

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you have three signs on the facade.

have Bill Gray' s. So, they each get one sign.

EVERYONE

SPEAKING

AT THE SAME TIME)

separate for the fact that we try and keep them more of a family atmosphere on the restaurant side

and a tap room for the sports bars. Keep them separate and keep both brands. It' s the way we

have done it as long as we have built them. The 10 foot signs obviously, they are two separate

entities as I was saying and if we reduce the size of them, are other tenants have 10 foot signs in

size so kind of shrinking those would be.... not very esthetically pleasing. Personally, it would

kind of make everything A symmetrical across the way.

business, and Bill Grays is a separate business...

said, 2 separate.

964?

Since the beginning of

last year, we have had numerous signs before us and the overall perception of the board at least

was to include the address making it easier for people to find it even though everybody has

tracking system and all that stuff.

going to approve this that they include the number and address.

signs

on there.

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Mark

Giardina:

1

mean,

I can take or leave

the worlds

greatest

cheeseburger

but tha(),

apparently....

I don' t think it has the worlds greatest cheeseburger on there.

and the building has it on there.

guidelines is specific to what a sign is, and it is not for commercializing, it is for the name of the

establishment. If you guys are all ok with it, fine with me. The monument sign, when we talked,

it' s in the minutes from the last time they were in and the height of that, we went to the height of

10 feet. We cut it down to 10 feet.

Whitewater' s, where you go into M& T, that is 15 feet tall. I am just saying and maybe I measured

them wrong.

BOTH PARTIES SPEAKING AT THE SAME TIME

they come up. That' s a busy road.

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Mark Giardina:

HARD TO HEAR) down along the side.

My x- ray vision is not working tonight, can you come around to the mic.

east on Ridge Road, you could see it.

that but again, you want us to lower the sign so that will reduce the size of the tenants panels.

Everyone has 16 signs, and they are 6 feet high.

people are looking primarily.

base down a little bit, then snow is going to pile up and you won' t see it.

It doesn' t have to be 32 inches on the base. If you

were at 18, snow never comes up to it anyway. I have never seen any of them covered. Ok but

it' s just the size of it,. so 10 foot and you guys can work it out putting the address on it . ( BOARD

WAS OK WITH IT) The building, what do you want to do with it, leave it as is, the way that it

somehow but yeah, you can lower it down.

is presented.

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Da%-c Malta- YLah, I wuulci leave; it the way it is.

RESOLUTION

25- 005

Anthony Casciani made a motion for TYPE IINEGATIVE

DECLARATION

SEQR which

was seconded by Dave Malta.

VOTE:

RESOLUTION

25- 006

Mr. Casciani

AYE

Mr. Malta

AYE

Mr. Giardina

AYE

Mr. Anderson

ABSENT

Mr. Kosel

AYE

Mrs. Maltman

AYE

John

Kosel

SIGN

made a motion

APPROVAL

Located

Charles

Kelley

Applicant

for CONDITIONAL

at 964 Ridge

is

Road.

requesting

a

CONDITIONAL SIGN APPROVAL associated

with the construction

of( 2) 100 SF and ( 1)

180 SF

single faced building mounted facade signs located

on a 6. 7- acre lot having SBL# 079. 15- 1- 1. 1 located

in the HC High Intensity Commercial Zoning

District

under

Section

265- 7 of the Code

of the

Town of Webster which was seconded by Mark

Giardina.

CONDITIONS:

Number address on monument sign_

Adjust the base so sign is just 10 feet.

VOTE:

Mr. Casciani

AYE

Mr. Malta

AYE

Mr. Giardina

AYE

Mr. Anderson

ABSENT

Mr. Kosel

AYE

Mrs. Maltman

AYE

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Wark Giardina reacl the fifth appli( ation)

SCOTTISH

SHORTBREAD

CO.

SIGN:

Located

at

700

Ridge

Road.

Applicant

Ian

MacDonald of Historic Sign and Restoration is requesting SIGN APPROVAL associated with

the installation of ( 1) 6 SF Single faced building mounted fagade sign located on a . 46- acre lot

having SBL# 079. l7. 1- 2 located in the MC Medium Intensity Commercial District under Section

265- 7 of the Code of the Town of Webster.

NO ONE SHOWED

UP TO THE MEETING.

Erika Corsi:

Yes.

CONVERSATIONS

BEING

HAD)

Dave Malta:

Which

one is it.

RESOLUTION

25- 007

Anthony Casciani made a motion TO TABLE

APPLICATION TO FEBRUARY 41 2025 which

was seconded by Mark Giardina.

VOTE:

Mr. Casciani

AYE

Mr. Malta

AYE

Mr. Giardina

AYE

Mr. Anderson

ABSENT

Mr. Ko* cl

AYE

Mrs. Maltman

AYE

Mark Giardina read the sixth application)

requesting SIGN APPROVAL associated with the installation of ( 1) non- lit 26. 6 sq ft ACM

building mounted fagade sign with digitally printed graphics on a 3. 54- acre lot having SBL#

079. 18- 1- 69. 1 11 located in the MC Medium Intensity Commercial District under Section 265 7

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of the Code of the Town oi' Webster.

NO ONE SHOWED

RESOLUTION

UP TO THE MEETING.

Mark Giardina made a motion

25- 008

APPLICATION

TO TABLE

TO FEBRUARY

4, 2025

which was seconded by Dave Malta.

VOTE:

Mr. Casciani

AYE

Mr. Malta

AYE

Mr. Giardina

AYE

Mr. Anderson

ABSENT

Mr. Kosel

AYE

Mrs. Maltman

AYE

Mack Giardina read the seventh application)

BRAMAN

NATURE

PRESERVE

SIGN:

Located

at

1775

Ridge Road.

Applicants

Lorna

Wright ( Genesee Land Trust) and Emma Oakes ( Costich) are requesting a CONDITIONAL

SIGN

APPROVAL

associated

with

the

construction

of a

11. 2 square

foot

double

sided,

freestanding, permanent monument sign on a 71. 00- acre parcel with SBL# 081. 01- 1- 23. 1 located

in the LL Large- Lot Single- Family Residential District under Section 211- 7 of the Code of the

Town of Webster.

Appearing before the board was Mike Ritchie from Costich Engineering . Emma Oakes couldn' t

be here tonight, so I am doing the meeting for her. We are proposing a free standing sign for the

Braman Nature Preserve. It is the preserve itself exists, there is a parking lot that this board

approved I believe last year. It is essentially a walking trail and the property itself is on the south

Side of Ridge Road between

Basket and Ridge Road extension

and the applicant,

Genessee

Land

Trust is proposing one free standing non- lit sign, and I believe pictures of another nature preserve

as an example was submitted as well. As the renderings with the sign itself. That is an example

of one right there on, I think Phillips Road. ( SHOWING ON THE SCREEN) NOT Phillips, I am

sorry it' s Five Mile Line Road.

So, essentially it would be the same as that but instead of the Gosin Nature Preserve, it will be

the Eva and Harland Brayman Nature Preserve, and it will have the Genesse Land Trust sign

below it so almost identical to that one. This did need to be sent over to the Zoning Board because

the code requires a 25 foot setback and that would push it kind of into the woods, so we are

proposing the sign to be 2 feet of the property line and it' s been submitted and it' s on the agenda

for Zoning Board next week. So, we are requesting site plan approval and obviously conditioned

upon receiving the variance from the Zoning Board.

Anthony (= asciani: Ok, when I wa., reading here through the paperwork, the 23 foot sign setback

variance requested where 25 is so what you are looking for is to be 2 feet from the road not... your

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not looking for a...

kind of backwards the way it was written. Again, I think an arial may have been submitted of the

site itself and you can see it is very heavily wooded back there so if you were to set it back to the

setback it would be pretty obscure.

Road on the sign.

be required to come back to the board or that would be a condition of your approval. I am sure

they could add the address onto the sign. You are just asking for the 1775 to be put on it.

difficulty of people...

and we can work with them.

Whether that is one the Genesse

Land Trust portion on or the one above it. They can just make it slightly larger to accommodate

that.

subject to receiving a variance with the Zoning Board.

RESOLUTION 25- 009

Anthony Casciani made a motion for TYPE II

SEQR- NEGATIVE

DECLARATION

which

was seconded by Mark Giardina.

VOTE:

RESOLUTION

25- 0010

Mr. Casciani

AYE

Mr. Malta

AYE

Mr. Giardina

AYE

Mr. Anderson

ABSENT

Mr. Kosel

AYE

Mrs. Maltman

AYE

Anthony

Casciani

made

a

motion

for

PRELIMINARY APPROVAL Located at 1775

Ridge

Road.

Applicants

Land

Trust)

and

Emma

Lorna

Wright ( Genesee

Oakes (

Costich)

are

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a

requestinb

CONDITIONAL

SIGN

APPROVAL associated with the construction of a

11. 2

square

foot

double

sided,

freestanding,

permanent monument sign on a 71. 00- acre parcel

with SBL# 08 l. 01- 1- 23. 1 located in the LL LargeLot

Single- Family

Residential

District

under

Section 265- 7 of the Code of the Town of Webster

which was seconded by Mark Giardina.

CONDITIONS:

Number address on monument sign.

Approval based on condition of variance approval.

VOTE:

Mr. Casciani

AYE

Mr. Malta

AYE

Mr. Giardina

AYE

Mr. Anderson

ABSENT

Mr. Kosel

AYE

Mrs. Maltman

AYE

Mark Giardina read the eighth application)

PRELIMINARY/ FINAL SITE PLAN APPROVAL (

PUBLIC HEARING

) associated with

the construction of a 1, 400 sq. ft ( 50 x 28) enclosed addition for vehicle service area entry and

building fagade improvements on a 2. 4- acre parcel having SBL# 079. 17- 1- 20 located in the MC

Medium- Intensity Commercial District under Section 269- 11 of the Code of the Town of

Webster.

Appearing before the board was Line Swedrock with BME Associates. We have been here a few

times for Sketch Plan Review with you on this project and the project has revolved over time but

as far as the building addition is consistent. It' s 14, 000 sq foot building addition for the new

vehicle entry to the dealership service area/ drop off point and then external improvements to the

building. When we were initially here last year the board had raised some concerns about the

amount of vehicles on it and the emergency access as well as the amount of cars and unloading

and loading on Ridge Road so, we met on the Site during the sketch plan review and reviewed a

couple of different PRC comments.

This plan has been revised multiple times to try and address

the Planning Boards conmient%as well as PRC staff comments regarding the access around the

building.

Some of the last comments that we addressed was from the PRC included the additional

COULD NOT HEAR) around the site and we added a No Parking line; No

Parking fire lanes; and we have identified all the parking spots on there and we have.... and also

Pg. 17 January 7, 2025 Planning Meeting

they are leasing additional property where ticy arc storing more cans and doing there delkerics

from now and we just worked with the emergency access and grayed out the areas where that is

so this will hopefully will improve where people will come in and drop their vehicles off for

maintenance and the intent is to have somewhere to go to drop their car off. Drop it off and be

able to See someone at the desk and then take off for their car to be serviced. They can either park

it in the back or take it directly in for service. I think 1 am going to keep it short, so I am just

going to leave it at that . Like I have said, I think we have answered a lot of the questions to this

point so if there are any other questions, I will give it my best.

is a big issue we had when we had met and talked. It' s kind of tight but you just can' t park cars

in there. It has to remain open. It actually is a fire lane going through there too. You have

redesigned and that works, it looks good and works out well.

great with the building materials, but it is new installation of ACM metal building panels and a

new SSG glass curtain wall system.

LOUD ENOUGH INTO THE MIC) Did we ever get anything

showing that.

Line

Swedrock:

I don' t

have

colors,

but I did submit

the elevations

with the application.

So 1 do have the elevations but no materials or colors there and

VIEWING ON THE SCREEN)

that gives you an idea of basically what they will look like with the addition.

LOUD ENOUGH

INTO THE MIC) You mean the fagade itself.

LOUD ENOUGH

INTO THE MIC) I want to make sure it' s not

like McDonalds or crazy colors or anything

BOARD MEMBERS TALKING

going to change a little to their new....[ think they just try and keep things spruced up.

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you are going to head out and leave your car there for service or whatever.

speak for or against this. Seeing no one, we will close the hearing and bring it back up.

Ontario or someplace.

to have a trailer bring several cars in at a time.

driven from Ontario, so they are not loading and unloading on Ridge Road.

John

Kosel:

Ok.

RESOLUTION 25- 0011

Anthony Casciani made a motion for an

UNLISTED

ACTION- NEGATIVE

DECLARATION which was seconded by John

Kosel.

VOTE:

Mr. Casciani

AYE

Mr. Malta

AYE

Mr. Giardina

AYE

Mr. Anderson

ABSENT

Mr. Kosel

AYE

Mrs. Maltman

AYE

did meet there, and they showed where the buffer was actually the full distance, so they were

good with that. It didn' t look like it initially, but it did conform.

RESOLUTION 25- 0012

Anthony

Casciani

PRELIMINARY

Ridge

Road.

made

a

APPROVAL

Applicant

Located

Robert

requesting PRELIMINARYIFINAL

APPROVAL ( PUBLIC

for

motion

at

785

Sanders

is

SITE PLAN

HEARING)

associated

with the construction of a 1, 400 sq. ft ( 50 x 28)

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enclosed addition for vehicle service area entry and

building fagade improvements on a 2. 4- acre parcel

having

SBL#

079. 17- 1- 20

located

Commercial

Medium- Intensity

in

the

District

MC

under

Section 269- 11 of the Code of the Town of Webster

which was seconded by Mark Giardina.

VOTE:

PRELIMINARY

1. Mr. Casciani

AYE

Mr. Malta

AYE

Mr. Giardina

AYE

Mr. Anderson

ABSENT

Mr. Kosel

AYE

Mrs. Maltman

AYE

APPROVAL

All the improvements shall be constructed according to the specification of the

Town of Webster.

2. No variances required.

3. No land being conveyed.

4. All sitework is to be in compliance with the standards of the Town of Webster.

5. Comply with all requirements of any State, County, or Town agency.

6. No cars to be unloaded on the road.

7. Pass through along the west side of the building is to remain open as shown on the

plans. So, no parking cars there otherwise, it is going to be a violation.

RESOLUTION

25- 0010

Anthony Casciani made a motion for FINAL

APPROVAL

Applicant

Located

Robert

PRELIMINARY/

at

785

Sanders

Road.

SITE

requesting

PLAN

HEARING)

associated

FINAL

APPROVAL ( PUBLIC

Ridge

is

with the construction of a 1, 400 sq. ft ( 50 x 28)

enclosed addition for vehicle service area entry and

building fagade improvements on a 2. 4- acre parcel

having SBL# 079. 17- 1- 20 located in the MC

Medium- Intensity

Commercial

District

under

Section 269- 11 of the Code of the Town of Webster

which was,, econded by Mark Giardina.

CHECKLIST

FOR FINAL APPROVAL

1. Subject to Project Review Committee comments

2.

3. Subject to Preliminary Approval conditions.

Subject to all applicable governmental fees.

4. Subject to Department of Public Works approvals.

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5. Significant construction ~ hall occur within one year, as deemed by the

Planning Board, to expire on January 7, 2026,

6. Subject to resolution

of final approved

minutes.

VOTE:

Mr. Casciani

AYE

Mr. Malta

AYE

Mr. Giardina

AYE

Mr. Anderson

ABSENT

Mr. Kosel

AYE

Mrs. Maltman

AYE

Murk Giardina read the nineth application)

RG& E STATION 73: Located at 891 Klem Road. Applicant Eric Thorne, RG& E is requesting

an additional SKETCH PLAN REVIEW of plan revisions associated with the modernization of

an existing electrical substation including an expanded substation yard with new fence, control

house, switchgear buildings, transformer and lighting on a 0. 77- acre parcel having SBL# 064. 142- 14./ WEB located in an R- 2 Single Family Residential District under Section 269- 5 and 350 11

of the Code of the Town of Webster.

Appearing before the board was Mary Steblein with LaBella Associates and I am here tonight

with Eric Thorne of RGE. I was wondering if you had the more updated plans. ( VIEWING ON

THE SCREEN) So, we were here back in October 2024 to get some initial feedback on the

renderings of the proposed substation expansion, and we have come back with two options for

consideration by the Planning Board and we have received some comments from PRC as well.

At this point, RGE would like to move forward with their design and materials associated with

the building and the perimeter which is why we had focused on those updates on these renderings,

and we have not really addressed the comments related to landscaping and they will be addressed

during design of the substation improvements.

We have updated the quality of the building materials and have chosen some different materials

and a little more variation and color and we have also modified the chain link fence that was

provided before to a new high security steel palisade fence which appears rather solid in the

renderings but when you look at it closer up there is space in between the portions of the fence.

got with this as I said the last time, the fence I think is an improvement over the chain link that

you had there before but the building still not to be... it looks like a prison. I looked up some

residential designs for electrical substations and there are all kinds of them. They make them look

like a house even. They have gable roof on them. This is right in the middle of a residential

neighborhood. So, what can be done to make this thing somewhat residential.

to have a fence I understand that but what can make that...

I know you have

that flat roof building, I don' t know.

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look like a second story of a house. It shouldn' t look like this. There should be a gable roof,

there should be either false windows with shutters or windows

with some shutters, so it looks like

you are looking at the second story of a colonial type home not this.

Mark Giardina:

EVERYONE

Well, that is what it looks like to me.

SPEAKING

AT THE SAME TIME

around that whole area. Can that be modified to change the roof style. Just make it look like it

fits in somewhat.

definitely add some fake windows for sure onto the siding and just to kind of explain with what

we did with these two renders the last time we were here.

One of the comments from the board

was to look at upgrading and improving the building facade materials so in working with some

architectural engineers we came up with two drastically different material styles. The tan one

being a faux brick type material and the gray one being more of a... like an aluminum type siding

just to kind of give it more of a residential siding look. In doing so we are kind of looking to the

board to see if there was a preference in the style facade that we can add to these buildings of

what might be preferred. Again, like I said, we can certainly look to add some faux windows to

these to make them look more residential like a second story like you said.

like residential.

I just went on line and thought there' s got to be some other way. I mean you

drive around and see like some of the smaller operations, and they look like a house actually and

understand, this is bigger, and you can' t make it look like " a house" but a residentially designed

electrical substation refers to a substation specially designed to minimize visual impact and noise

levels when situation in a residential area and then it goes on. 1 don' t want to read the whole

thing, but it talks about aesthetics and so on and so forth. The landscaping and .somehow you

guys can figure out how to make this thing fit into a residential neighborhood.

I know some of

the neighbors have already been upset over what was even being done but understand you can' t

do anything about that but let' s see what we can do to make it look attractive.

comment before and that will be built out with the final design once we have a full grasp on the

full site layout and fence lines.

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something to make it look like a house or apartment or whatever.

preferred option whether the fake brick look or more of a siding look which would be the gray

one. We don' t necessarily have to keep the gray as the color. That can certainly change if that

Is kind of the sticking point there. There more of a styling aesthetics.

but ......

and it was in the open it would be brick or somewhat you know designed material you know. Not

just aluminum or metal siding. I don' t know what the extent is or how far they can do with

something like that .

Dave Malta. Right now, you are showing vinyl siding

to keep in mind of the types of materials that are within the electrical substation itself so it would

be designed in a way to look that way but utilizing materials we can efficiently use in a substation.

to be concerned.

I' ve already heard a couple of them. Again, ten times, just a gable on it

something to dress the roof up instead of just a flat roof.

Eric Thorne of RGE; No with this style of fencing. This rendering image gives you a little bit of

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it better perspecti,, c that there are sonic gaps in that slats of the fence so it' s not a solid black look.

it' s a compound.

Ok, good enough.

Suggestions/ Conditions: Change roofing to be more residential looking, like a second floor of a

house_ Dress the roof up.

Mark Giardina read the tenth

application)

MCALPIN

Located on Publisher' s Parkway.

INDUSTRIES.

Applicant

Matt

McAlpin

is

requesting SKETCH PLAN REVIEW associated with the proposed construction of 120,000 SF

of manufacturing warehouse with tractor trailer loading docks, parking, utilities, and other

associated amenities on a 25. 6- acre parcel having SBL# 079. 06- 1- 32. 123 located in the OP Office

Park Zoning District under Section 269- 5 of the Code of the Town of Webster.

Appearing before the board was Matt McAlpin and I' m President CEO of McAlpin Industries.

I' m a lifelong Webster resident, grew up here, my wife grew up here and raising out two kids

here and heavily involved in the community, especially youth sports. I just love the idea of our

company having a footprint in my home town. We are a precision sheet metal fabricator, so we

offer our customers a wide variety of capability. We cut metal, we form it, we weld it, paint it

and then we also offer warehousing capabilities for our customers.

We are celebrating our 61 year milestone next month. My grandfather started the company back

in 64 and in the early 60' s he decided to leave the family dairy farm here on Salt Road start a new

career and that is how we started the business in 64 and that' s a heck of a story. If you catch me

outside here, I would love to tell you. We' re also a veteran owned small business. I' m a United

States Marine Corps Veteran and we also have a very strong culture. We hire for culture first

and we hire for skill set second. We believe that if you fit our culture, we' ll find something for

you to do here. We also for a company our size, we have a high level of sustainability efforts

you know a company our size maybe be surprised to hear that we track our carbon footprint and

not a lot of companies do that at least our size. We are also heavily involved in the communities

where we currently where we are. We have a facility in the northern portion of the city and we' re

also in East Rochester and Walworth and I won' t get into everything that we do but I' ll just

highlight one of our big events is our annual charity golf tournament where we raise funds for

local homeless veterans as well as cancer research.

So, it' s been a long road to get to where we are here today and we identified that we needed more

space to support our growth well over a year ago and I think it was maybe about a year ago now

where I reached out to Matt Chatfield and spoke with him and Tom Flaherty who put me in touch

with Josh Artuso and we started to search for property and the long story short is this is the one

that wiggled loose but it' s been a long road to get where we are but we are excited to be here.

I also brought with me today oLir partners from Costich Engineering, Mike Richie which is doing

double duty tonight and he is going to over the site plan a little bit with you but a couple things I

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wanted to point out. This is going to be a three- phased approach our inimedlate demand is the

first building which is 12,000 sq feet which we have designed to be on the most southern portion

of the property, and we believe that that facility will create about 20 to 25 new jobs and then as

we continue to grow, we would add to that facility going north. If you take a look at going from

the bottom of the rendering, there to the north there is also a piece of property in the far north

portion about four to five acres. That is being left untouched that' s intentional. A preliminary

discussions with the town is that there' s interest in maybe partnering on something on that

property and I believe a library was brought up at one point and we' re very interested in creating

a long-term partnership with town and we are very interested in continuing those conversations

about how that property could be used in the future. Lastly, one thing that we do internally is we

have an internship program and an apprenticeship program as well and we work with local trade

associations;

local high schools and we also work with Webster High School and when we take

a took at this property and what we are tying to do to create more awareness of manufacturing in

the area it just seems like it' s a great opportunity and even a responsibility to continue our

education program and put an education center in so we can bring in young students and get them

more interested in manufacturing. So, that' s our intentions and we are very excited about it.

Again, we have Mike here from Costich to answer any questions and I will turn it over to Mike.

Mike Ritchie. Again, this is sketch plan so we are here to introduce the project and receive

feedback that you have so that we can apply that to our formal Planning Board application. So,

what we are proposing, phase one as Matt said is 120,000 sq feet and that' s along the south side

of the property kind of the darker portion of the building and the rendering there and planning for

the future they hope to be successful as they have already been so we' re planning for a full future

buildout of up to 300, 000 square feet which we' ve shown in two additional additions there going

north.

On our plan we' re showing an access off of the, I guess, recently constructed access off

of Klem Road that was built for the U of R facility. That access road is actually on McAlpin

property so we would propose to extend that from where it' s ended now into the site and we are

also at the point showing the second access onto Publishers Parkway and with discussions with

Matt, it certainly would not be needed in the first phase and that may be something that would be

considered for future phases. We did receive comments from PRC and those two comments were

related to traffic and requesting a traffic .study be prepared and the second one was that we show

future phasing to maybe clearly indicate what' s going to be built first and what' s for later.

So,

getting back to the traffic study comment.

A traffic study was prepared for this property a handful of years ago when an application came

in for a senior living facility and the traffic study at that time did not recommend

any

improvements to the highway infrastructure then but if this board and town staff feels that I guess

another look back at that traffic study is warranted we could do that, but I would just to let

everybody know, based on Matt' s understanding of what they' ll need when this starts up. The

first phase is anticipated that there' ll be 60 employees over two shifts with roughly 40 coming in

in the morning shift which is at 6 AM and then the other 20 coming in later in the day. So, when

we talk about traffic usually that 100 trips per hour is kind of a threshold for warranting a traffic

study and certainly in this first phase we' ll be nowhere near that and I think we would be more

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than ; A illing to maybe make that condition fur future phases needing that because obviously " e

don' t want to cause a traffic issue but that is something that we can work with town staff and I

believe that might have been the Town Engineers comment who issued that comment to begin

with. So, again, we have done some preliminary engineering, and we have the survey done on it

and we' ve looked at drainage, utilities are available for the property as Matt had mentioned, the

front four to five acres are going to be left undeveloped and left as woods for now. We believe

this is a good use of the property and some other things I would like to note as well. Matt did go

before the Town Board back in November I believe it was, and this project will require a special

use permit it is in the OP north core district so it requires a special use permit for the

manufacturing use and additionally this project will require a variance from the Zoning Board

because 1 believe code states maximum building square footage permitted in the district is 45, 000

sq feet so we haven' t applied to the Zoning Board yet. Again, trying to introduce the project to

the Planning Board and see what comments you do have so we can incorporate them going

forward.

that building mid 26 and the next 2 buildings that is undetermined at this point. It depends how

quickly we grow as well as our needs and what we do at other facilities. It could be 4 years, it

could be 10 years, I' m not sure but I want to make sure we have that flexibility so we can support

our growth because one thing that is constant in our industry is that it is always changing, and

you have to move quick, or you are going to miss the opportunity.

ENOUGH

TO MIC, HARD

TO HEAR)

We thought

it was

important to not just show the 120, 000 square feet but to plan for the future so the infrastructure

can be put in the ground to accommodate future areas so that is why we are showing that also.

We usually want to do that for SEQR purposes.

CLOSE ENOUGH TO MIC, HARD TO HEAR) 3 loading docks and then

showing 4 additional in the future.

majority are there at 6 or earlier so and being right next to the expressway, even when they leave

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at the end Of their Shift there iS 110t a whOIC lot of trafrIC in the: iirrnwdiatc irea.

is that big enough for 18

wheelers.

TO MIC, HARD TO HEAR) That is part of what we are

analyzing now as we talk to the county to widen that driveway for the radius of the semi- loading

and that is something we will show on the application.

on Hard Road there' s where there should be a left hand turn lane is all painted with stripes, I don' t

know whether you can find out, are they going to change for a left hand turn lane.

you.

for townhouses or apartments and stuff.

the amount of traffic in the area. It' s an established business, they have been in town as you said,

for many years. Was your grandfather- Frank.

will be going to 104 so they won' t actually be going down to the residential areas.

residential areas.

I guess the next step is to proceed forward. It' s not a public hearing but I know

you live right across. Go up to the mic and give us your name.

Debbie Thesing at the corner of Hard Road and Publishers Parkway: my question is the road

that is one Publishers... the little road, no one i.s going to be using that, and no trucks are going

to be using that.

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the first building is not to but that road in. So, our fiat sketch had that in. We don' t c\ en thins.

we want that in for building 2 or building

3. When we meet with the town to figure out how they

would like to develop that, they will probably put something in for that parcel but as of right now,

the newest plan will not have that road in.

2: 1 S to 3: 30 in the afternoon you could not even turn. A truck could not even eater that, and they

never do traffic. studies at that time of day and every parent of a Thomas student parks their car

along our whole yard both ways and waits to pick up their children and there has been no good

ans ver for that so tractor- trailers and that kind of thing would he prohibited.

CLOSE TO THE MIC, CAN NOT HEAR) That was one of

the preliminary discussions is when do your employees...( PAPERS

RATTLING)

in the past. I mean, this was originally my families land so 1 can tell you that I have seen lots of

projects be presented for this area and have shuttered at all of them and the last one especially

was horrible and some of the other neighbors asked me if 1 was going to the nreeting.... because

they know I come to the meetings.... And I said, you don' t want to oppose this, you really don' t

because it' s the best fit for a really busy area.

ADMINISTRATIVE

ITEM:

Approval of Meeting Minutes for November 12, 2024( GIARDINAIKOSEL) and December

3, 2024, meeting( GIARDINAIKOSEL)

With no other applications before the Board this evening Anthony Casciani concluded tonight' s

meeting at 8. 15 PM.

Respectfully Submitted,

Signed

Dated

2! of/

Mark Giardina, Secretary

Katherine Kolich, Recording Secretary

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