WEBSTER TOWN PLANNING BOARD MINUTES
Webster Town Board Meeting Room 1002 Ridge Road
7:00 p.m.
3 June 2025
ABSENT:
Anthony Casciani, Chairman
Dave Malta, Vice Chairman
Mark Giardina, Secretary
Derek Anderson
John Kosel
Peggy Maltman
Drazen Gasic
Katherine Kolich, Recording Secretary
Frank Ciardi, Attorney
Josh Artuso, Director of Community Planning & Development
Erika Corsi, Planner of Community Planning & Development
Welcome to the June 3, 2025 Webster Planning Board meeting. I am sorry we
got a late start. We had a couple of things we had to have resolved here. It took a little bit longer
than what we hoped for. Before we start, if there is anyone here that was here for the Providence
Section 9 or for the Parking Lot Expansion at 1050 Gravel Road. Those two have been tabled.
It doesn’t look like anyone is here for that so.
Pledge of Allegiance/Roll Call.
Summary overview of outcome:
TABLED MATTERS
:
1. PROVIDENCE SECTION 9
ABRUZZI DRIVE
TABLED TO 7.1.25
SCHEDULED MATTERS
:
1. KLEM ROAD POLE BARN
1054 KLEM RD
TABLED TO 7.1.25
2. AMBIENCE NAILS SPA SIGN
1028 RIDGE RD
APPROVED AS PRESENTED
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3. EV CHARGING STATION
915 HOLT RD
APPROVED AS PRESENTED
4. SHEERRA TRADING POST
900 HARD RD
APPROVED AS PRESENTED
5. COBBLESTONE PLACE PHASE 2
1025 RAVENSIDE LANE
TABLED TO 7.1.25
6. PARKING LOT EXPANSION
1050 GRAVEL RD
TABLED TO 7.1.25
7, FINGER LAKES FEDERAL CREDIT UNION
711 AND 715 RIDGE RD
Status; TABLED TO 7.1.25
8. PLAY-A-LATTE SIGN
1028 RIDGE RD
APPROVED AS PRESENTED
PROVIDENCE SECTION 9: Located at Abruzzi Drive. Applicant H.G. Builders is requesting
FINAL SUBDIVISION & SITE PLAN APPROVAL associated with the creation of 10-lots
and construction of 10 single family dwellings on a 5.36-acre lot having SBL# 050.03-1-68.006
located in the R-1 Single Family Residential District under Sections 269-11, 296-19, and 350-10
of the Code of the Town of Webster.
APPLICANT REQUESTED APPLICATION BE TABLED TO JULY 1, 2025.
Located at 1054 Klem Road. Angel Lagares is requesting
PRELIMINARY/FINAL SITE PLAN APPROVAL (
PUBLIC HEARING
) associated with
the construction of a 1,920 SF pole barn on a 2.2-acre lot having SBL# 064.16-1-3 located in the
R-2 Single Family Residential District under Sections 269-11, 350-11 and 350-36 of the Code of
the Town of Webster.
Appearing before the board was Sandy and Angel Lagares at 1054 Klem Road. We would like to
place a pole barn in our backyard and it’s 30 X 60 X 14, sorry
32. The reasoning for this pole
barn is because we have lawn equipment; patio furniture. We have different thing that we would
like to place inside the pole barn to keep out of the elements and we do also have a shed in the
backyard that has...it’s been there since the house was built according to neighbors and we would
like to take them down after, hopefully we are able to build our pole barn.
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My opinion is, lacking some things that would be required, and I would have
to say, I’d refer you to chapter 350-36, which you just said, and everything is spelled out in that
of what is required. I see what you have got, and I see you have trusses. To this board, trusses
mean nothing. That would be ok for the Building Inspector, but we have to have a number of
what is the distance from the lot line for this project.
Fifteen feet.
See, there is nothing on here that shows this stuff.
I think I put it on the survey.
I don’t see it.
When I dropped off the survey, I drew on it stating that it was going to be 15 feet
away from the lot line.
Does anyone have that. I don’t see it. I see a rectangle drawing with 30 x 60
but. Okay, so you’re going to be 15 feet. We can put 15 feet in there.
Yes, and from the corner of the house is going to be actually the corner of our
house is going to be actually 100 feet away from that.
Yeah, and see, that’s okay because your lot is large you know. I think it’s
great. It’s a heck of a nice operation but there’s requirement you have to have. What’s the height
of this building. What is the height on your house. To the peak.
I think it’s like 16 feet or 18 feet, I’m sorry.
You sure which it is. Are you sure the height of it.
It’s from the backyard, it’s 18 feet.
Okay, so this, from what I seen on the drawing, you’re 14 4% foot of wall and
then from your wall up to the peak of the shed, there’s no dimension. I don’t know how high that
is. It looks like 6-7 feet.
It’s going to be a 412 pitch on it.
I see that but what’s the height of the building.
It’s going to be I think like 17 feet to the peak.
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You are supposed to have the elevations of it. I don’t know, what do you guys
want to do. It’s... [just took some notes on it. The plan doesn’t how the side dimension and there
is no elevations on the drawing. Samples, this board has always required you know, a sample of
the color of whatever you’re going to use for your material. What's the height of the main
structure. I just mentioned that. So, I will let you guys get into it.
We do need all the information.
One of the clarifications I just wanted to see because I’ve seen two drawings so
far. One said 30 X 60 and the other 32 X
60. Which is it.
It’s 32 X 60
I think it would be helpful if having that on the survey map that you have to draw
to scale because I don’t think it’s drawn to scale on that survey map. I think it’s drawn bigger
and then providing the actual dimensions from the property line so we know roughly in relation
to the property where you’re proposing it so we know where it’s going to be sited, it would be
very helpful. The elevation peak is what we need so the top of the truss not to the header wall to
the sidewall. We need to the peak, so we know what the height of it is in relation to what your
house is. So that we know is it going to be larger than your house, visually what it will look like
and then materiai, just you know, we got a rendering is it going to be the gray and black.
It is going to be gray and black.
And then also, how are you looking to get access to the back to the barn. Are you
looking to extend your driveway all the way to the barn. I also see that you have an eastern side,
another larger gate or sorry, an overhead door. Are you going to have a driveway to the side of
that tco or is it, I think...
No, that is going to be more for the lawnmowers and the tractor and so on so I
can go in and out with those.
It will be helpful to know if you are looking to do stone all the way to the barn or
are you paving it to the barn.
Yes.
If you could sketch that into the survey plan to, it would be helpful.
How many units...what is on the site right now. You have two buildings on
there.
There’s a pole barn...there’s like an old, shed type of thing, it’s pretty old. It was
when the house was built back in the 50’s,
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Okay, and then there is a smaller structure there also.
There’s a smaller shed against the house, yes.
Okay, looking at the back where you have the current shed or whatever it is
there. Josh, could you go down a little bit there to the back of it. (VIEWING THE REAR OF
THE PROPERTY ON THE SCREEN} there is another thing back there.
That is actually the old shed that is going to come down.
Okay and what is the other thing.
That is...it was a greenhouse at one point, and we made it into a chicken coop.
I guess you'd have to clarify that too. You are only allowed a shed, and one
building like you’re proposing. We have to get a variance for that Josh.
We’ll check into that dimensions of what’s existing there but yes, it does appear that
there’s one ore structure than what’s allowed. Are there chickens in the chicken coop.
Yes
Technically that requires a special permit as well.
I was not aware of that.
If you’re going to remove that, perhaps you want to cross it off the survey.
Okay.
Okay, not to waste a whole lot of time and hold you guys up either, but can
we ask that you table this thing, and I would suggest you get a copy of the part of the code. It’s
the simplest way and you can just see exactly what needs to be received.
Okay. Absolutely and thank you so much.
And then you can get your preliminary and final at that point. Yes, this is a
public hearing. There’s another thing I was going to add on......
I have one more question, are you running any electric to the barn.
Not right now.
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Okday and is the intended use just for personal and nothing business related or
anything like that.
No. All just personal.
If you can grab a copy of that and you can get it from the town and then just
follow that and then whoever is doing, it will generally give you a small sample....this is what we
are using, and these are the colors. You know, just something that we can refer to that’s it.
Ange] Lagares: Okay thank you so much.
John Bustard at 1050 Klem Road: My wife is here with me, Chris. We’re from 1050 Klem Road,
which is the house right next door. We are the ones that sent the Planning Board last Thursday
a four- page document with pictures and all that sort of stuff. So, we could try to get things across,
and I don’t want to repeat all that. What I wanted to do is give you all a quick summary of a one-
page document and I have copies that people can have. | don't know how we get those but here
they are. (TALKING WHEN NOT UP AT THE MIC) from what we've seen, the approximate size
of the house is or the building that they’re building is 19...No, I’m sorry. I got the wrong....that’s
the wrong document. So, anyway, we believe the proposed building is excessive. It's 97% of the
footprint of our house and 78% in height of a two-story house. Our is 18 feet to the underneath
the gutters. The town code supports an accessory building that I 25 % of the building or less
than 600 square feet or 2% of the lot size is 1920 square feet. Our neighbors are proposing 1920
square feet which is the upper limit allowed only because of the lot size. So, we say built it. Just
make full use of the 2.2 acres and, most important, keep it 100 feet from out property line. This
is really a big building. We think this is a reasonable request. It is what we put in our letter to
the Planning Board last Thursday. The core question to us is not whether to build the proposed
pole barn but where. That assumes the Planning Board believes the proposal fits within the
character of residential property in Webster. We want to enjoy our property. We're both in our
70’s and never know when health issues would require us to move, at which time property values
are also important to us. So, both further enforce why 100 feet from our property line is
appropriate. We have friend that lie in a residential neighborhood where commercials business
was grandfathered. They tell us to make sure the intent of the pole barn Is not now or in the
future for commercial purpose. On said day, | asked if the 40 foot plus 40 foot was going to be
inside the proposed pole barn. I was told it was not and nor is it any of my business what the
proposed pole barn is. It's a big building. in summary, as we said in our letter last Thursday, we
are supportive of the proposal if it’s built at least a 100 ft from our property line and it's use is
for the 100% residential. We believe both are a reasonable requests. Furthermore, the picture
up here says 30 X 60 and they're proposing 32 X
60. The picture up here isn’t where they want
to put it. The map they had in the town in the picture that is up here aren’t’ the same. If they put
it where it was on up here, hallelujah, that’ a 100 feet away. Where they are proposing is not a
100 feet away from our lot line. I don’t know if you have any questions.
We appreciate your comments.
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John Bustard at 1050 Klem Road: Okay, no questions.
I have no questions.
I mean, I think there’s just a clarification. Again, we requested the survey map,
and it is going to have dimensions of the property line and dimensions to the locations and again,
it’s what will be at the next planning board meeting that is going to be governance of the
document.
That’s going to be the governance of the document. But the discussion we've had
from them. They want it much farther and closer to our property line. The opinion ts it’s there
property and they should be bel to do anything they want, and I want to reiterate, just lo at the
size of this thing. Our neighbor put a 30 by 40 on their property.
Okay we don’t want to listen I don’t want to get into your neighbors...
No, no, we’re happy with our neighbor and we put a picture of it in our
information.
We’ ve asked him to modify his presentation, and he'll come back in, and we
will not close the public hearing. We’ll leave it open, so this won’t be the end. So, we will leave
the public hearing open and let him come back and let’s see what changes they make in their
presentation and where they locate the building. If they can modify it to please you somewhat, I
guess, that’s up to them but they meet the requirements.
And you will have another opportunity at the next meeting to be heard again, and
I think at this point we understand, and I think they understand where you are coming from so if
you have anything else to add but I think we all get what you are saying.
Okay, thank you very much. Ok, anyone else wishing to speak. Okay, no one.
The public hearing will remain open.
Do we need to make a motion to table it. When are we meeting next month, July |
or July 8"?
RESOLUTION 25-0040 John Kosel made a motion to
TABLED APPLICATION TO
JULY 1, 2025 which was seconded
by Mark Giardina.
VOTE:
Mr. Casciani AYE
Mr. Malta AYE
Mr. Giardina AYE
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Mr. Anderson AYE
Mr. Kosel AYE
Mrs. Maltman AYE
Mr. Gasic AYE
Located at 1028 Ridge Road, Ste.
100. Applicant Nick Tu is
requesting SIGN APPROVAL associated with the installation of a 60 SF channel letter building
mounted facade sign on a 9.1-acre lot having SBL# 079.12-1-20 located in the HC High Intensity
Commercial District under Sections 265-7 of the Code of the Town of Webster.
Appearing before the board was Nick Tu. Good evening, everyone. I hope everyone is doing
well tonight. I am looking, if I may with your blessing, I’m looking in to install a sign which is
a 2 feet by 30 feet for the space. It’s the.... I believe it’s the acrylic single channel letters.
So, where you are putting the sign, it’s in three different sections. You’re
taking that whole section of the building there.
Yes, that main section, correct. Yes.
Does it meet the requirements okay there Josh?
Yes, he is right up to the maximum allowed.
Is this fit or not lit.
Yes, it has an LED light in there.
And the color is what you’re showing pretty much so it’s ...
Yes sir.
(SEE ATTACHED SEQR
RESOLUTIONS
FOR APPLICATIONS)
RESOLUTION 25-0043 Derek Anderson made a motion for
TYPE IT SEQR which was
seconded by Mark Giardina.
VOTE:
Mr. Casciani AYE
Mr. Malta AYE
Mr. Giardina AYE
Mr. Anderson AYE
Mr. Kosel AYE
Mrs. Maltman AYE
Mr. Gasic AYE
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SEQR
RESOLUTIONS
THE PLANNING BOARD OF THE TOWN OF WEBSTER
1002 Ridge Road, VanIngen Court Building
June 3, 2025
1. AMBIENCE NAILS SPA SIGN
The Town of Webster Planning Board considered the request by Applicant, Nick Tu to
install a 60 SF channel letter building mounted facade sign for Ambience Nails Spa
located at 915 Hard Road on a 9.1-acre lot having SBL# 079,12-1-20.
The Planning Board classifies the proposed action to be a Type II Action under Section
617.5(c)(2) of the State Environmental Review (SEQR) Regulations and therefore is not
subject to further review.
2. SIERRA TRADING POST
The Town of Webster Planning Board considered the request by Applicant, Kim
Goergen, of Wegmans Food Market to enclose a portion of the existing former Chase-
Pitkin outdoor space, to create a new tenant space located at 900 Holt Road on a
28.7-acre lot having SBL# 079.12-01-06.211, and in a HC High Intensity Commercial
District.
The Planning Board classifies the proposed action to be a Type II Action under Section
617.5(c)(2) of the State Environmental Review (SEQR) Regulations and therefore is not
subject to further review.
3. PLAY-A-LATTE SIGN
The Town of Webster Planning Board considered the request by Applicant, Richelle
Acker to install a 35 SF illuminated channel letter building mounted facade sign for Play-
A-Latte located at 1028 Ridge Road, Suite 130 on a 9.1-acre lot having SBL# 079.12-1-
20. The Planning Board classifies the proposed action to be a Type II Action under Section
617.5(c){2) of the State Environmental Review (SEQR) Regulations and therefore is not
subject to further review.
[
RESOLUTION 25-0044 John Kosel made a motion for SIGN
APPROVAL Located at 1028 Ridge Road,
Ste.
100. Applicant Nick Tu is requesting
SIGN APPROVAL associated with the
installation of a 60 SF channel letter
building mounted facade sign on a 9.1-acre
lot having SBL# 079.12-1-20 located in the
HC High Intensity Commercial District
under Sections 265-7 of the Code of the
Town of Webster. Which was seconded by
Mark Giardina.
VOTE:
Mr. Casciani AYE
Mr. Malta AYE
Mr. Giardina AYE
Mr. Anderson AYE
Mr. Kosel AYE
Mrs. Maltman AYE
Mr. Gasic AYE
Located at 915 Hard Road. Applicant Bridget O’Connor is
requesting PRELIMINARY/FINAL SITE PLAN APPROVAL (
PUBLIC HEARING
)
associated with the installation of 2 dual port EV charging stations in the parking lot of the
Fairfield-Inn on a 2.19-acre lot having SBL# 079.11-1-21.2 located in the HC High Intensity
Commercial District under Section 269-11 and 350-19 of the Code of the Town of Webster.
Appearing before the board was John Marcott. Bridget couldn’t be here so I’m just her
counterpart. She is actually at another Planning Board meeting somewhere else in New York. I
am here on behalf of Charge Smart EV. We are proposing like...just said, dual port EV charging
stations. They’re going to be powered off of the existing transformer behind...that utility design
has been approved. Pretty small scope in perspective of some of the EV projects we do. So,
normally we would put four level two stations. This is Just two level twos. So, they provide
charging for up to four cars at one time. The stations will be set behind the curb. They’ll have
vehicle protection boliards and what not? And then our electrical contractor will install a small
panel to hook the chargers to and then hook the panel basically to the transformer that was already
opened up and investigated. Like there’s free conduits in there and whatnot.
I know some preliminary drawings were submitted and that’s the page I was going to say to look
at here. It kind of highlight the panel there and right to the south of the panel is the existing
transformer and then the two dual port units. It looks like we are going to be removing a couple
shrubs there to fit the chargers. All this was customer approved. You know they are looking to
have these chargers put in. That's pretty much the gist of it. [ll pause and see what questions
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there are.
So, there’s no changing parking space...this is the existing parking lots, right.
It is what it is, right.
Right, It doesn’t affect the parking count. We use the existing stalls.
Is this for customers only or is it open to the public.
Technically it is open to the public, but we find that you know, with charging
stations at hotels like anybody that’s going to charge there, with these being level two stations,
those are essentially overnight chargers. You know, six to eight house or whatever it is. So, we
find that most people are staying at the hotel. That’s the idea behind it but technically, someone
needed to charge a few miles, they could pull in. I don’t think the signage is nonrestrictive. It
would be at the end. Yes, the signage at the last page, the last page of the plans obviously
highlights that it’s EV parking but it’s not specifically restrictive to.
I am curious on these. What do you have? Do you put a credit card in or are
these free, how do these work.
As far as I know and I don’t actually have an EV yet and as far as I know, it’s all
through our phone. So, as far as finding the chargers you know, a lot of hotels we work with you
know, they want them out front because they think people are going to drive by and say, “‘Oh,
there’s a charger there.” And there is some truth to that but for the most part, people will pull up
an app on their phone. It brings you to it like a gas station. So, you are essentially following a
direction from your phone. Pull up to the charger like I said, these are overnight, so people aren’t,
you know, going to a level two station to charge for 20 minutes.
Are they a courteous or do they pay for these.
You pay for them.
That is what I was wondering.
How it’s factored is by like amperage used. Every EV, you know, if it’s a big F-
150 Lighting, I’m sure the battery is larger on one of those than it would be like a Prius. As far
as I know it’s somewhat in the balipark of filling up your gas tank. Again, I don’t have an EV,
but I think it’s maybe 30 buckish for a full charge. Somewhere in that range but the hotel does
have, you know, decision-making power to charge what they'd like per kilowatt used or whatever
it is.
If they didn’t, I bet you’d have a line. Anybody, we have had a couple of these
come in.
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We have had these before and every time we have the discussion that the though
always comes to mind. Is this charging station actually owned by the hotel or is it like an
independent company that’s being contracted out.
So, it’s owned by the hotel after we do the install. Basically, how out business
works in a nutshell is you know we install the chargers, right. We hire out an electrical contractor
to install the chargers and then at that point it’s like a revenue share. So, I don’t know the specifics
of how the revenue split is made but then the hotels own and manage the charging you know rates
what they want to charge and there’s some divide there and like we usually have like a 5. year
revenue share I think is like the standard and it’s a percentage of however much charge is being
used at the stations.
It’s not a separate company is...another thing I’m wondering about is when
we’ve talked about this before that right now,.NOT SPEAKING LOUD ENOUGH OR CLOSE
ENOUGH TO THE MIC) we kind of have a gap in the code in regard to EV stations and in the
past when we talked about it, we’ ve gone down the path of well it’s similar to a gas station. Pull
up and pay, get electric as opposed to getting gas. Is that something that we would see as
consistent use for this area under the zoning you know based on acceptable uses.
It’d be automotive in a sense.
Yeah, because....we don’t in the code...CNOT SPEAKING LOUD ENOUGH
OR CLOSE ENOUGH TO THE MIC) we don’t have like a model code for EV stations right
now. The only thing that the code has in it is 350-19-820, which talks about gas stations which
is the sale of gas for vehicles...really kind of the closest thing for sale to electricity for a car. Is
that something...does the town really kind of thought that well, we can treat it as that until we
get a model ordinance.
No, I would not be a proponent of likening this to a gas station. I personally feel
it’s a much different....it generates a much different amount of traffic. I think the percentage
share of electrical vehicles versus gas powered vehicles is relatively low, so I look at it more as
an accessory use. We’ve allowed them in some of our shopping plaza and other businesses it
town so I don’t think they have the same impact as a gas station with convenience store would.
They tend to be parked, you know, longer periods of time. There is not as much turnover so we
do recognize that there is the gap in the code as you mentioned, but we’ ve been treating them this
way by bringing it to the Planning Board just to make sure that we’re looking at them on a case
by case basis but vehicle service stations alone already as it is are only allowed in like a one block
radius in the whole town so I would not be proponent to liken this to a gas station.
But it sounds like...I found the conversation of this thing is actually owned and
operated by the hotel and then when you mentioned, it really is an accessory structure to the hotel.
I will say, kind of to your point, like these are.... so, these are level two stations
which I mentioned are like overnight stations. So, it'd be one thing if they were level threes which
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are DCFC stations, I think it’s like direct current fast charge. Those are like, charge up in 20
minutes. That’s....I’m not saying that’s a gas station, but I would say there’s more parallels there.
These are like, you know, kind of to the accessory structure point, like more so for the hotel to
say like, hey, we can also have guests that have EV’s. So, when you park to stay the night, which
people, stay the night at the hotel, they can get a full charge overnight. So, it’s not like a
quick...yeah, It’s not like a quick.
To put it really straightforward, what I’m looking for is a portion of the code
that we have right now that we don’t have to say that this has to..........
Yeah, we see it in like a....it’s a newer
BOTH PARTIES SPEAKING AT THE SAME TIME
Some portion of the code that covers this. Otherwise, it'll be something we
need to get a variance on before we do an action.
Right. It’s definitely a topic being covered as part of the comprehensive plan update.
For tonight’s purposes, what portion of the code should we consider this
covered by.
Well, I would just...let’s see accessory, listed on the agenda. Well, yeah, I mean
it’s technically it’s a physical addition to the site, so it triggers a site plan review. That’s how
we’ve been handling it in past. We haven’t really likened it to a separate use, if you will.
So, it would be under the accessory provisions of the two codes reference in the
agenda.
Yes, so that site plan review and then the district regulations associated with the
HC which I guess goes back to the principal use of a hotel which is permitted.
It would be interesting just to see if any of the other communities have enacted
this. It’s a good point.
There are other communities. There is actually, they have got it. There is a
model code for electrical! station.
We’ve seen a bunch of both. I mean, some municipalities are electrical permit.
I've never seem a specific EV permit but usually it triggers site plan review in a municipality that
requires like a Planning Board review it’ usually like that’s what I’ve seen but sometimes it’s pull
a building permit and an electrical permit and have a Zoning Board or Planning Borad review it.
It really depends on the municipality but what I’ve seen so far is like bigger picture. There’s not
like....it’s kind of a newer thing still in perspective so, a lot of townships don’t have anything in
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their code about it and sometimes they say you don’t even need a permit. I don’t think that’s
going on here, but that’s pretty few and far between. But yeah, we ee in all sorts of different
towns like everyone has something going on as far as the code goes.
I think Derek, Fairfield did not own it and implement their charging structure to it
based on their transformer that they have there like if it was just charge smart charging it so it’s
an independent entity it wouldn’t be an amenity that Fairfield is essentially offering as part of
their services.
Okay, so were covered.
This is a public hearing, so I don’t know if there is anyone wishing to speak
either for or against this. Okay, no one so we'll close the public hearing and bring it back up to
the board. Any concerns.
Could you scroll up just two pages. Electric Vehicle Parking Only. Unauthorized
vehicles will be towed at vehicle owners expense and risk. Now, you're saying that these
charging stations are connected with the Fairfield hotel, am I correct.
Yes sir.
Okay shouldn’t that be included on there somewhere on the sign.
Yeah, that does appear. I’m sorry. I scanned through that. That’s sometimes like
we'll change the sign per municipality so like some of the municipalities won’t want it to be
restrictive. This...in this case, it does kind of look restrictive. If there’s any....I guess if there’s
a specific sign you'd like to see or any sort of verbiage, we can absolutely implement that. I guess
to understand your question, you want the hotel to be listed on the sign.
I’m just bringing out a scenario and let the rest of the board members chime in
on it if they think that should happen or not.
As far as the signage, Ill say this, you know, again, like it’s kind of per
municipality. If you guys want non-restrictive, we’re doing like a lot of work in Buffalo where
they want non-restrictive signing, for example. If you want it to be non-restrictive, we can do
that. But it’ also, you know, sometimes that the hotel will want a specific signage so, I guess
that’s....kind of I’m open to...I guess hearing if you guys have any preference on that.
Anthony Casciani; What would be your reason for wanting that.
I just want to cover bases. So, somebody pulls in and is not registered with the
hotel and decides to use the charging station and perhaps walks down the street to get something
eat at Bill Grays or whatever and somebody who was at the hotel and wants to use the charging
station but it is being used by a non-occupant of the hotel...
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EVERYONE SPEAKING AT ONE TIME.
The deal is, this is a long-term charger So, it’s an overnight charger. So, somebody
that’s not at the hotel will end up sleeping in their car.
But I am reading it as electric vehicle parking only. So, if your car is gas and
It’s not electric, then they can tow it.
EVERYONE SPEAKING AT ONE TIME.
It says nothing about using it, charging your vehicle if you are not part of the
hotel. This just says if you park here, and your vehicle isn’t electric, we can tow it.
EVERYONE SPEAKING AT ONE TIME.
The discretion is of the hotel however they want it.
It’s kind of up to the hotel to enforce that but if someone’s looking for a quick
charge, They’re not going to a level two station. They’re going to follow their phone to a level
three. You know, you see them outside of like a Wegman or a grocery store or something because
people are plugging in, shopping and they’re back in 20 minutes. They’ ve got a full charge. So,
that’s kind of like, I guess, back to the beginning, like people aren’t really pulling into these
hotels, which are the majority of our business that they’re not pulling in for like a quick 20
minutes. It’s not really going to amount to anything in their car. I mean, I think they’ll get a
couple miles or whatever, but I think that sign is more so like if a you know, big diesel F250 pulls
in, like you can’t park.
Josh, can you roll back to where it shows it on the site there if you could,
please. Okay, now, where are they located. Do they put bollards in front of them or anything to
protect.
Yes sir. Bollards in front of the chargers a then bollards in front of the gear, the
switch gear or the panel board. You can all it about seven different things. We always put like
vehicle protection around just because like it’s electricity and you know.
Are you guys ok with this. BOARD: Yes Ok, will close the public portion.
Go ahead and do SEQR.
So, this is one of those things that because it is newer than SEQR it winds up
being an UNLISTED ACTION. It’s just not listed right now.
RESOLUTION 25-0045 Derek Anderson made a motion for
an UNLISTED ACTION which
was seconded by Mark Giardina.
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TOWN OF WEBSTER PLANNING BOARD RESOLUTION
ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING STATIONS
915 HARD ROAD, SBL #079. 11-1-21.2
SEQR — UNLISTED ACTION
06-03-2025
MOTION FOR AN UNLISTED ACTION - NEGATIVE DECLARATION
The Town of Webster Planning Board considered the request by applicant, Bridget O’Connor to install
2 dual port EV charging stations in the parking lot of the Fairfield-Inn located at 915 Hard Road ona
2.19-acre lot having SBL#079.11-1-21.2 and in the HC High Intensity Commercial District.
The Planning Board determines that the proposed action is an Unlisted Action.
The Planning Board determined that the action is subject to a single agency review pursuant to Part
617.6(b)(4) of SEQR and that it is the most appropriate agency for making the determination of
significance. The Planning Board therefore designates itself lead agency for the proposed action.
The Planning Board has given consideration to the criteria for determining significance as set forth in
Section 617.7(c)(1) of SEQR, and has
1. considered the information contained in the Short Environmental Assessment Form Part 1 dated
May 12, 2025,
2. considered public comments directed to the Planning Board during the Public Hearing on June 3,
2025, and
3. completed Parts 2 and 3 of the Environmental Assessment Form.
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT: RESOLVED that the TOWN OF WEBSTER PLANNING BOARD
hereby determines that the proposed project will not have a significant adverse effect on the
environment for the reasons set forth in the attached Notice of Determination of Non-Significance; be it
further,
RESOLVED that the TOWN OF WEBSTER PLANNING BOARD is authorized to take all actions
reasonable and necessary to file the Negative Declaration and discharge the TOWN OF WEBSTER
PLANNING BOARD’S responsibility as lead agency for this action, be it further,
RESOLVED that the TOWN OF WEBSTER PLANNING BOARD, based on the information and
analysis above, the referenced supporting documentation, and discussions of the action by the TOWN
OF WEBSTER PLANNING BOARD as documented by the Minutes for this meeting, that the proposed
action WILL NOT result in any significant environmental impacts, be it further,
RESOLVED that the TOWN OF WEBSTER PLANNING BOARD, therefore makes a
DETERMINATION OF NON-SIGNIFICANCE, be it further,
RESOLVED, that the TOWN OF WEBSTER PLANNING BOARD, based on the above reasons issues
a NEGATIVE DECLARATION as evidence of its determination,
VOE:
Mr. Casciani
Mr. Malta
Mr. Giardina
Mr. Anderson
Mr. Kosel
Mrs. Maltman
Mr. Gasic
RESOLUTION 25-0046
PRELIMINARY APPROVAL CHECKLIST
Subject to PRC Comments
Pe We)
Proceed to Final Approval
VOTE:
Mr. Casciani
Mr. Malta
Mr. Giardina
Mr. Anderson
Mr. Kosel
Mrs. Maltman
Mr. Gasic
AYE
AYE
AYE
AYE
AYE
AYE
AYE
Dave Malta made a motion for
PRELIMINARY APPROVAL Located at
915 Hard Road. Applicant Bridget
O’Connor is requesting PRELIMINARY
SITE PLAN APPROVAL (PUBLIC
HEARING) associated with the installation
of 2 dual port EV charging stations in the
parking lot of the Fairfieid-Inn on a 2.19-
acre lot having SBL# 079. | 1-1-21.2 located
in the HC High Intensity Commercial
District under Section 269-11 and 350-19 of
the Code of the Town of Webster. Which
was seconded by John Kosel.
All sitework is to be in compliance with the standards of the Town of Webster.
Comply with all requirements of any Federal, State, County, or Town agency.
Approvals are subject to Drawing No: Dated: AS SHOWN
AYE
AYE
AYE
AYE
AYE
AYE
AYE
Just for the record, we did open it up to the public and there were no
comments. The public portion is closed.
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RESOLUTION 25-0047 Dave Malta made a motion for FINAL
APPROVAL Located at 915 Hard Road.
Applicant Bridget O’Connor is requesting
FINAL SITE PLAN APPROVAL
(
PUBLIC HEARING
) associated with the
installation of 2 dual port EV charging
Stations in the parking lot of the Fairfield-
Inn on a 2.19-acre lot having SBL# 079.1 1-
1-21.2 located in the HC High Intensity
Commercial District under Section 269-11
and 350-19 of the Code of the Town of
Webster. Which was seconded by John
Kosel.
FINAL APPROVAL CHECKLIST
1. Subject to PRC comments.
2. Subject to Parks and Recreation fees (if applicable)
1. Subject to Preliminary Approval Conditions.
2. Subject to all applicable governmental fees.
3. Subject to Department of Public Works approval
4. Significant construction shall occur within one year, as deemed by the Planning Board to expire
on 6.3.26
5. The conditions of Preliminary and Final approval are depicted on the cover page of the final
designed plans.
VOTE:
Mr. Casciani AYE
Mr. Malta AYE
Mr. Giardina AYE
Mr. Anderson AYE
Mr. Kosel AYE
Mrs. Maltman AYE
Mr. Gasic AYE
Located at 900 Holt Road. Applicant Kim Goergen, of Wegmans
Food Market Inc. is requesting PRELIMINARY/FINAL SITE PLAN APPROVAL (PUBLIC
HEARING) associated with enclosing a portion of the existing former Chase-Pitkin outdoor
space, to create a new tenant space on a 28.7-acre lot having SBL# 079.12-01-06.211 located in
the HC High Intensity Commercial District under Section 269-11 and 350-19 of the Code of the
Town of Webster.
Appearing before the board was Evan Gefell with Costich Engineering (NEVER SIGNED IN)
and this is Kim Gorgin with Wegmans. So, the plan for the Wegman’s Plaza is to enclose the
southern portion of what it was the formerly Chase Pickins outdoor area, storage area, display
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area. So, the building is going to Sierra Trading Post. The building will have two walls in between
the southernmost wall and the Hobby Lobby 19,000 square feet and in the rear of the property
we will removing some of the canopy leaving the remainder piece of the canopy as there’s egress
from Hobby Lobby. There will be a single loaded loading dock and a trash compactor.
We...during concept looked at different truck routings and we were able to get it into the site
without crossing into oncoming traffic and the Sierra Trading Post has agreed to that.
All utilities are already within the site private, and the sanitary will connect to a stub that is in
front of the building out in the parking lot and the water will be in the rear and the storm will go
to the rear. The storm, we pulled out the drawings from the original design of the plaza. It is
within the same drainage area, and we are not really adding impervious surface to this area. One
of the comments that we had received was on the elevation of the building to get rid of some of
that white facade and kind of add brick component to it to match the plaza. (VIEWING PLANS
ON THE SCREEN) So, we put the brick layer on the bottom to match the rest of the retails space
and then brought the brick up on the pillars as well.
Snow storage was also another comment as that was the rear of that storage area was spot for
piling the snow. Talking to Kim; Wegmans; their contractors, that the snow plowing is under
contract and they are usually piled up in the outer islands that are not parking spaces that are not
utilized. I guess with that any questions.
I was just curious, we there an PRC comments , Josh??? I know they....I
know it came up there and it was discussed.
I wasn’t at the last meeting.
We received PRC comments from/during sketch plan.
Yes, it was brought up again. Erika, do you recall, I mean I remember it being
discussed at PRC, but I don’t recall if there was anybody....had I think the sewer department
made a comment something about the sewer running thought their or something.
The sewer is private.
There is no impact on underground utilities.
BOTH PARTIES SPEAKING AT THE SAME TIME.
Okay, using existing space. J think it’s come out nice. I think it’s good. You
fixed up the front. That looks much more attractive. It looks good. Anybody, anything.
The only suggestion, comment that I have is the recessed loading dock that you
have. The recessed dock is 60 feet long. Your design vehicle is 69 feet. Maybe consider a 70
foot. That way you’re not jack knifing the cab. So, just consideration.
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ok, anybody, any concerns. We have looked that this in sketch plan. This is
a public hearing. Is there anyone here wishing to speak either for or against this application.
Okay, no one. Let it be noted that no one wished to respond for the public hearing, so we’ ll close
it to the floor and bring it back to the board.
(SEE ATTACHED)
RESOLUTION 25-0048 Derek Anderson made a motion for
TYPE IE SEQR which was
seconded by John Kosel.
VOTE:
Mr. Casciani AYE
Mr. Malta AYE
Mr. Giardina AYE
Mr. Anderson AYE
Mr. Kosel AYE
Mrs. Maltman AYE
Mr. Gasic AYE
One question, when are you proposing to get started with this.
(NOT SPEAKING INTO THE MIC AND CAN HARDLY HEAR) They Are
eager to be part of the plaza.
Somebody want to make a motion for preliminary.
RESOLUTION 25-0049 Dave Malta made a motion for
PRELIMINARY APPROVAL Located at
900 Holt Road. Applicant Kim Goergen, of
Wegmans Food Market Inc. is requesting
PRELIMINARY APPROVAL (PUBLIC
HEARING) associated with enclosing a
portion of the existing former Chase-Pitkin
outdoor space, to create a new tenant space
on a 28.7-acre lot having SBL# 079. 12-01-
06.211 located in the HC High Intensity
Commercial District under Section 269-11
and 350-19 of the Code of the Town of
Webster. Which was seconded by John
Kosel.
PRELIMINARY APPROVAL CHECKLIST
1. Subject to PRC Comments
2. Subject to Monroe County Water Authority comments
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3. All the improvements shall be constructed
Webster.
Comply with all requirements of any Federal
IAA S
Proceed to Final Approval.
according to the specification of the Town of
All sitework is to be in compliance with the standards of the Town of Webster.
, State, County, or Town agency.
Address drainage, lighting, signage, and landscaping, buffering, berming and snow storage.
Drazen, what did you suggest about extending it.
It’s really at a discretion of the engineer. It’s just a suggestion based on the truck that was
shown there and just looking at the recess to look at.
Put that in there then. Just to look at their loading area to maybe have to enlarge it a few
feet.
VOTE:
Mr. Casciani
Mr. Malta
Mr. Giardina
Mr. Anderson
Mr. Kosel
Mrs. Maltman
Mr. Gasic
RESOLUTION 25-0050
FINAL APPROVAL CHECKLIST
le a aa
Subject to PRC comments.
AYE
AYE
AYE
AYE
AYE
AYE
AYE
Dave Malta made a motion for FINAL
APPROVAL Located at 900 Holt Road.
Applicant Kim Goergen, of Wegmans Food
Market Inc. is requesting FINAL SITE
PLAN APPROVAL (PUBLIC
HEARING) associated with enclosing a
portion of the existing former Chase-Pitkin
outdoor space, to create a new tenant space
on a 28.7-acre lot having SBL# 079.12-01-
06.211 located in the HC High Intensity
Commercial District under Section 269-11
and 350-19 of the Code of the Town of
Webster. Which was seconded by Mark
Giardina.
Subject to Parks and Recreation fees (if applicable)
Subject to Preliminary Approval Conditions.
Subject to ali applicable governmental fees.
Subject to Department of Public Works approval
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4. Significant construction shall occur within one year, as deemed by the Planning Board to expire
on 6.3.26
5. The conditions of Preliminary and Final approval are depicted on the cover page of the final
designed plans.
6. Subject to resolution of the final approved minutes.
7. Approvals are subject to Drawing No: AS SHOWN
VOTE:
Mr. Casciani AYE
Mr. Malta AYE
Mr. Giardina AYE
Mr. Anderson AYE
Mr. Kosel AYE
Mrs. Maltman AYE
Mr. Gasic AYE
COBBLESTONE PLACE PHASE 2: Located at 1025 Ravenside Lane. Applicant Evan Van
Epps with Brickwood Management is requesting PRELIMINARY/FINAL SITE PLAN
APPROVAL (
PUBLIC HEARING
) in association with the construction of a 3-story building
containing 47 market rate apartment units on a 5.0-acre lot having SBL# 079.15-1-8.003/SEN2
located in the MHR Medium High Residential District under Sections 269-11 and 350-14 of the
Code of the Town of Webster.
Appearing before the board was Jake Calabrese with Marathon Engineering on behalf of
Brickwood Management. We are proposed a three-story 47 unit market rate apartment facility.
Give you a quick background sine I know we ‘ve heard it a couple of times. It was initially a
two-phase apartment complex. Twp 60 unit senior living facilities. Phase One was approved in
2015 and built in 2016. Phase 2 never got funding. So, Brickwood Management approached the
property owner to purchase 1025 and from there a sketch plan and we’re going to go do a site
plan and we found out that the fot was actually never subdivided and then due to that we then had
to get variances approved for the site on 313 and then followed with subdivision approval for
325. Just a couple quick hits on the big parts of the facility. There are 87 spaces and 10 of which are
in garages which are underneath the apartment complex. We are working with the town now to
review the existing SWPPP that Passero did for the entire site and we are going to review that
and have to resubmit a SWPPP due to the new MS4 form, but we are going to utilize what Passero
did and make sure that there isn’t anything that’s changed in the past roughly 10 years in that to
make sure that we are all proposing any green infrastructure and we have received initially
comments from the Health Department and our Monroe County Authority so we are working
through those now as we work though approvals and with that, I will take any questions.
As far as your parking spaces. Did they meet the code okay or did you have
to get a variance for that.
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That was one of the variances. So, we are at, or the code is I believe, I have it on
here. It’s 94 and we are proposed 87 and that was one of the variances that which I believe its’s
a 1.8 spaces per unit when the code is two.
There is no questions, this thing is jammed in there. What about your snow.
Josh, could you go back to the site. Where would you be putting your snow in this case.
So, our snow well be, I guess Ill use this to kind point where ali back here.
We’re limiting I think it’s roughly around 10 feet so all of this snow can be pushed to this back
side as well as along the portion of the parking lot .
But if there are cars parked there, how are you going to get the snow back there
on the other side of them.
We............ that is a very good point. I thought so, too. Now, with that being
said, during the winter moths we could kind of take these spaces up front, I guess, it’d be toward
Ravenside and block those off for snow removal. Then we’ll be able to push everything and that
way, kind of similar here and witl be able to push down to this property line as well as across
kind of upper in this section. And I can add those to the plans, if needed.
For the record, you know, for what you present for final drawings that go into
the town, you probably should show some place on there where you can put snow.
I can add that no problem.
Whether it works or not, that’s another story but it should be showing
something. You have a picture of the buildings. This is basically the building you’re proposing,
the photograph that you gave.
Yes, that is the latest rendering, and we are working with FA Architects and I
kind of forgot to mention this. The footprint is extremely similar to the one that was proposed
back on the 2015 plans. Obviously the architecturally we’ ve modernized it a little bit, but it still
complements the existing building.
For the parking, I have a question, on the parking lots. The building that’s up already
and I see where their parking is and then I see where your proposed parking is, I there any
designation for parking for each facility or is it open parking for everybody?
(NOT CLOSE ENOUGH TO THE MIC, HARD TO HEAR) So, it is open
parking but with that being aid, there is a property line that kind cuts t right around to the hatching
area and there will be entrances. So traditionally, these parking lots will come in here and park
here. These handicaps spots will traditionally are used for the senior facility and a lot of the back
lot obviously will be. So, its not necessarily is delineated visually but just by how the site’s laid
out and a lot of kind of walking paths and egress from your car kind of the existing facility and
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the proposed facility are.
So, there is only one dumpster for all 47 units in the corner.
Yes.
Now this isn’t for senior housing, this is open housing.
Yes, market.
You have kids there and they have bicycles and so on
and so forth, what...where does this stuff go.
So, I guess where it would be stored. The garage or we could actually include
some bike rack, I guess it would probably be preferably towards the sides of the facility to jut try
and keep it away from the senior living facility. I know that that was a public comment.
I think that it would be a good idea to have something, you know, a bicycle
racks or something.
I will try and stage them.
Put them in and lock them or whatever.
And I'll try to stage them away or at least as far as I can from the existing
facility.
How many bedrooms are these units.
They are I believe two bedrooms or two bedroom units.
I think I am little concerned with the size of the dumpster. Just with the amount
that will be produced there. Ifs it’s big enough then also there’s a call out there’ chosen by
owner for materials. Is there standard enclosure that should be provided as a detail for the
dumpster encloser.
I can work with Evan and Brickwood Management whether we do increase the
size of dumpster or we say that it needs to be emptied every bi-weekly or twice a week instead
of kind of aa traditional once a week. So, I will let Evan know that and we’ll
That would probably work if you just do more frequent dumps you know.
The structure around it. Most of them all are all masonry.
That is what we’re currently proposing.
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So, the enclosure is a masonry enclosure.
I believe there is a detail in the plans.
It looked like it was a picket fence.
Is recycling part of that.
I do not know that off the top of my head, but I can look into that for sure.
Yeah, you’re showing a picket fence there. So, lets call that a masonry
Structure, decorative block something that is attractive. Because that is only going to last so long.
Absolutely, I will get that detail switched over to show masonry.
Were there PRC comments.
No, I guess.
Because the SWPPP is from 2010 and it hasn’t been updated and provided to the
town, we were unable to provide comments on it obviously so basically, we do not have
comments at tis time. So, we’re waiting on the revised SWPPP.
Some of my comments are engineering related so I’! leave it up to the discretion
of the engineer if he wants to incorporate it. I didn’t see in the plans hot box details or the water
cross section . Was that something that was submitted to the town.
Not currently because we are working with the water authority to see how they
want to tap that. We’re thinking unfortunately that we are going to have to run almost a
duplicate line for our parcel and then obviously for the 10-23 parcel. So, we’re working with
water authority now. I mean, we’re going to try to see if they will take ownership of the portion
so, we only have to do a small tap and don’t have to put in more infrastructure, but I think most
likely we will have to do a hot box with kind of a mirrored water line but that will be worked
through with the water authority here in the next couple months.
I saw a couple of stop signs but ....stop sign detail with the striping detail is
missing in the drawing. If you could include that. Josh, if you wouldn’t mind going to the utility
plan. I aw that you’re using 12 inch PE perforating piping going underneath the roads. I was
wondering if there was a reason for running perforated 12 inch.
Yeah, we like not to have any or limit the amount of water that is stored in that
Subbase. The drier it is the more ...the better and it helps. So, kind of instead of doing a main
line with small stubs because the parking area isn’t large. We're kind of doing one main where
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it’s perforated so it can collect and obviously it'll keep the flow going to the existing facility, but
it will also keep that subbase dry and structurally sound.
It’I] be up to the discretion of the engineer, but it'll make your calculation a little
big difficulty for groundwater representation that’s going to go into your storm water system and
through basin because with the 12 in pope you’re going to be collecting a lot of water too.
Yes, absolutely, and I don’t think we have any high groundwater issues, but I’ Il
definitely just confirm that.
Josh, if you wouldn’t mind zooming in to what a water line is that goes into it. It’
a 6 inch gate. Is that a six, a valve going to the east or is that just a sampling tab.
Yes, just a sampling tab.
You are in for a preliminary final. There is a few things here. I mean, if
we’ve moved with preliminary, I think it’s probably good to come back the details we spoke of.
I mean we’re talking about the bike rack; snow storage , dumpster encloser.
I think the Engineering component is going to be important too.
We would recommend that the board not take action tonight of any kind until we
have that material and have a change and also the SEQR for this project was done on the overall
golf tea project back in 2010. The board isn’t tasked with conducting SEQR again because the
project really hasn’t changed al} that much but we would like an opportunity to review the
updated SWPPP just to make sure everything’s compliant.
So, we'll table this until the next meeting and hopefully you will have
completed drawings and then we can do preliminary and final.
That’s totally fine. I think we’re...1 think Keith said he was going to send over
the existing SWPPP, and we will kind of mirror that and move on from there.
Were there any comments from the Fire Marshal.
I don’t recall off the top of my head and I think we, but I cannot confirm. At the
peak at the roof jut to make the drive aisle along the south edge meets the fire code so that was
one thing that he did mention.
The building is sprinkled.
Yes
I just see hydrants around the building as well.
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Maybe some sort of a schedule for you know the emptying.
Either we'll increase it or do the scheduling.
RESOLUTION 25-0051 John Kosel made a motion to
TABLED APPLICATION TO
JULY 1, 2025 which was seconded
by Mark Giardina.
VOTE:
Mr. Casciani AYE
Mr. Malta AYE
Mr. Giardina AYE
Mr. Anderson AYE
Mr. Kosel AYE
Mrs. Maltman AYE
Mr. Gasic AYE
Again, it’s a public hearing so we will leave it open.
Located at 1050 Gravel Road. Applicant Michael Nuccitelli is
requesting PRELIMINARY/FINAL SITE PLAN APPROVAL (
PUBLIC HEARING
)
associated with a 20’ x 105’ parking lot expansion to an existing office building and self-storage
facility on a 0.5-acre lot having SBL# 078.20-1-69 located in the MC Medium Intensity District
under Section 269-11 and 350-18 of the Code of the Town of Webster.
APPLICANT REQUESTED THAT APPLICATION BE TABLED TO JULY 1, 2025.
Located at 711 and 715 Ridge Road.
Applicant Jason Stanley is requesting PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN APPROVAL (PUBLIC
HEARING) in association with the demolition of the existing structures (two-story residential
dwelling, barn and garage) and the construction of a new 2,600SF banking facility with internal
site parking on a proposed 2.26-acre lot having SBL#s 079.17-1-78.111 and 079.17-1-79 located
in the MC Medium Intensity Commercial District under Section 269-5 and 350-18 of the Code
of the Town of Webster.
Appearing before the board was Bob McFadden and I am the President and CEO of Finger Lakes
Federal Credit Union, and we are here to present our plans for 7-Eleven and 715 Ridge Road.
which would be a new permanent home for our Webster facility. We are currently leasing space
in Webster Woods Plaza, and we acquired or merged with Webster Federal Credit Union back
and we are at the end of our lease, and we’d like to make a permeant structure and redevelop that
new corner lot for our new location.
With me is the Engineer and Architect and the Building Manager for the project and I will let
them introduce themselves.
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Evan Goodfell with Costich Engineering (DID NOT SIGN IN) So I am just going to go briefly
over the site plan. SO, it’ almost a 26,000 foot building and it’s going to be located up to the
northeast to the corner of the property at the intersection of Ridge and Hatch. The site has one
access point. From Hatch 200 feet away from the intersection single lane and single lane out.
The site design allows for 16 parking space. The building has three drive up lane with queuing
of nine vehicles. Even though we don’t anticipate queuing based on the counts that we’ve
collected other branches.
There was a comment about the monument sign. We had it closer to the ridge that we were
atlowed. So, I have revised a plan and sent it to Josh meting the setbacks and not requiring a
variance for the monument sign. The stormwater system will utilize two infiltration basins which
will collect most of the runoff from the drivee-thru and the roof and then a series of bio retention
areas to the south for filtration and water quality. We have a SWPPP, and we submitted that it’s
under review. So, the site is designed to regulate the runoff control and reduce and reduction
volume as well as peak rate. The stormwater ultimately discharges to the arch pipe on the
southeast corner of the property. The creek used to flow through the rear of the property. It was
diverted when Country Max was constructed, and it goes around Country Max and then continues
on. The snow storage will be located on the west side of the parking area. We put a zero reveal
curb there so the plows can come in before the bank is open and push it out of the way.
Other things we submitted to DEC as well as SHPO for the review. We received a no
jurisdictional letter from DEC and no impact letter from SHPO and then if you have the building
renderings I will pass the torch.
I work for Studio 109 Designs. I am the design architect for this project. We’re
all very excited about it getting constructed. It’s a very unique design and we do think it speaks
highly to the local community. Throughout the entire design, I used wind and water as my
inspiration for this. Being on the lake I’m assuming is a very important aspect of living in this
community and I wanted to respect that and show that in the design. Any questions on the design
or the site plan at this point.
Well, the fact is when you first came in with it and we met, and you showed
us what you were doing it did generate a lot of excitement. I was a nice looking project and I’m
not saying this isn’t. My opinion preferably, was the other building what you showed originally.
It had a lot more style to it and....
Sir, it’s the same building. There’s no changes to it.
There is no change from this from the original. I don’t have a copy of the
original one.
SOMEONE SPEAKING. (NOT AT THE MIC AND CAN HARDLY HEAR) It’s a different
rendering that’s it.
(APPLICANT GAVE MR. CASICANI ANOTHER COPY OF PLANS) What we
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are looking at on the screen is technical drawings. These are actually exonometrics. So, they
give it a certain perspective but for understanding adjacency of materials and how everything ties
in, this is a very effective tool. What you have in your hand there and the rendering we shared
earlier is actually reflected in this as well.
I stand corrected. Yeah, I see it here now and I’m matching it too. Maybe |
just don’t like black and white. I tike colors.
Duly noted. Well, we’re very pleased that you are excited about the project just as
much as we are.
It was a little...it’s a unique approach it seems like a typical frontage access is
really your rear and you have more of the advertisement of who you are. What would be for
normally a back of the building. So, it’s just I was curious about the layout that selection.
The intention behind the design was to put the building closest to the street to the
intersection and allow the parking to live behind but then understanding that you now have two
fronts to the building. You have the front that faces the intersection and bridge and then you have
the front that faces the parking field for the members so addressing it the way that we addressed
it with kind of a central atrium feature with entry points on one side but the other side mimicking
the entry point side at the parking area and then using a lot of glass to allow a lot of nature light
into the branch and to also represent the feeling of air pre-moving space.
Did you guys ever consider just mirroring the building north south so that the
ATM’s and tellers are on the west side of the building giving you a little bit more of a queue
approach when it come to cars coming in.
We did actually analyze that, and we did....I’m sorry, Fingerlakes Federal Credit
Union did a traffic analysis and transaction counts for walk-ins and drive ups, and I actually have
a printed copy here and in no way will we exceed the nine queuing spaces in addition to the three
transaction spaces. So, 12 total vehicles. For instance, here looking at the numbers they have for
drive up, I think the peak they had was on May 23 where they had 29 vehicles come into the drive
up. That is over the 9 hour period of the branch being open and this is all from the webster branch.
So, these are just counts from just down the road. We don’t see any need for any additional
queuing. Having 9 stacking per lane is pretty standard for other jurisdictions. We also have
the....we call it a bypass lane and essentially, it’s the last lane. The canopy does not extend over.
Fire trucks can go around but it’s also kind of like a pressure relief valve . So, if someone is
pulling up and they see a lot of vehicles or they feel like it’s taking too long, they have the
opportunity to drive around and either leave or park and go into the branch.
Is that bypass wide enough for a fire truck spacing.
Yes. What you are seeing there is the actually concrete pavement which is larger
...standing vehicles, you know, on asphalt will eventually sink just due to the heat. So, we like
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to have when the cars are sitting in the drive up that they’re on concrete pavement. So, it is
actually wider . Standard 1s typically 18 feet from the curb to curb at that final lane so that will
leave you, you know, 9 feet for the person doing the transaction; 9 feet for the one doing the
bypass. I believe and correct me If I’m wrong, I believe that we made that 20 feet, so we’ve
added 2 additional feet to it. And the canopy, just so you guys understand, the edge of the curb
to the extension of the canopy only goes out 6 feet. we are only trying to build a canopy to break
the midpoint of the vehicle so that if there is any rain that is falling, it’s not going to roll into the
window of the driver.
Okay. Can you go to the landscape drawing Josh. I am looking at what you
are proposing there. Right by the corner there. It looks like you have a little landscape area there
right by the corner. Now, I think we talked one time about putting a berm with some landscaping
or something ornamental there instead of that long plain strip along Ridge Road.
I am going to let Evan answer that question. I was not privy to the original
conversation you guys had at the PRC.
Yeah, it was discussed at one of the meetings we had.
Evan Goodfel!l: We did and with moving that monument sign down, we can spruce that up.
I mean, that’s fine where the monument sign, I don’t have an issue with that
but that stretch going west. I like to use the example of Marina Dodge how they maintain that
in the front there. I’m not saying you have to have trees that big. I mean, this is over years, but
they put a berm in there, it’s nicely landscaped and something that’s...I mean, this is one of the
things we... years ago, we almost would have wanted to see a drawing showing every bit of that.
Sure, and I think with the building we know and the excitement here we want it
to be reflective and beautiful.
I would just like to make one note please on this, Bridge is appropriately name
because it’s the highest point there and then the sights slope off on both sides. So, a berm with
plantings of vegetation would only visible from the credit union side not necessarily from Ridge
unless it’s taller type plantings. If you look down the road where Country Max is, I believe that’s
just grass. That area between their parking and Ridge. Is there any specific requirements for us
to add in this additional landscaping.
Well realiy, there’s guidelines. The town has established guidelines and
development planning guidelines. It’s a little pamphlet the town has, and anyone can get it and
it’s online also. One of the things that I was looked for was how to ornament some of these areas
and again, I use as the example is Marina. It’s a class act what they did there, and he gets a long
of compliments. This is an open area. The building is nice. I think this is good, but I just would
like to see that.
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I just have 2 concerns here, with the additional landscaping. One is along Ridge,
and I am sure with the amount of snow , the trucks, the salting that any planting that’s adjacent
to Ridge is going to suffer. The second one is the maintenance of this. That is typically a costly
item for financial institutions to carry to maintain these plantings. So, we will follow the
guidelines in the zoning, but I don’t think that we feel that it will be necessary to add additional
plantings that are most likely just going to die.
I’m just voicing what we have done in the past. We had a fellow, Roger
Johansson, he was a landscape architect, and he was paid by the town but reimbursed by the
developers to design these things what we wanted to see and a lot of these things, that’s how
they materialized. The plazas, Kohls the landscaping there, so on and so forth but I remember
his big term was undulating berms. I mean, you know, this was out there somewhere, |
understand that but something similar along those lines would definitely.
He’s a designer. I understand exactly what you just said.
And this is what we used and we kind of slacked off a whole lot on this stuff
since then, let me tell you. So now back to this and I’m just seeking that little bit on the corner
and the rest is all grass.
We’re going to make a considerable investment in the building so we’re not
going to, you know, not invest in the landscaping. You know, all of that we want to come
together . Three are some challenges though if you go down there. It’s not just open you know,
it’s very...there’s a lot of trees and vegetations that’s wild. We need this approved before we
can even do the clear cut to get to that. There isn’t a lot of open flat ground. It doesn’t go too
far before it just falls right off. So, we’d have some challenges. We’d have to fill all that in
before we could even landscape the outer western portion of that land.
It’s up to the board not me.
We will definitely going to address it.
Anybody have any comments or anything you feel.
I would be concerned that if you’re putting berming along there you're going
to affect the drainage of the site.
Yeah, that’s true but my point is just an ornamental shrub, something to...
There’s got to be a...] mean, you have such a beautiful building you want to
make it visible, yeah, we get that but at the same time, it’s going to be a lot of grass. That’s just
going to be bare grass and then the question is, can we do something just to make it a little bit
more visually pleasing as people are coming up to your brand new facility. Whether they’re like
lilac bushes or some juniper trees or something that gives it a little bit more color but also gives
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you that visual aspect of we want to make sure that this facility is seen as people are driving
down Ridge Road because that is the intention ultimately.
And will have the whole landscape architect, you know, design that for us as
well and that will be part of the eventual plan.
So, right now, actually, you’re in her for just preliminary.
We didn’t have a chance to review the SWPPP yet.
All right, so we can do preliminary then with final maybe you can show...
No, I would advise the board not to move forward with preliminary.
Not at all?
Not tonight.
I did have some quick questions, so you mentioned snow storage is primarily on
the west side but at least what I am seeing here it looks like there’s a curb on the west side. I
see there’s a small opening where there’s a transition curb but is that stretch there not going to
happen. Is there not going to be a curb at all and just be grass.
The start of the zero inch reveal is from the stop bar leaving the drive-thru on
the west side all the way over to....it’s that whole kind of corner of that parking lot.
Okay so from there going south is going to be essentially flush so you can plow
it.
Correct.
And going even further south to where the parking lot is so that you’re plowing
there as well or...
Yes, that whole corner is to push it up on that side.
Do you have dumpster enclosures.
Financial institutions handle a lot of confidential documents.
Most of those, most of the trash that they produce gets put into shred bins within the branch and
they’re securely taken away by companies like Iron Mountain and shredded offsite. When it
comes to like trash from employees or trash from members, lunches, cleaning crews come in
and they bag the trash, and they actually haul it off. No need for a dumpster.
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I saw a rendering that has a flag pole and I think there's a spot on here for a flag
pole but there wasn’t a detail. If you could add a detail, put a flag pole. I saw a detail for a
ladder bar pavement markings as in for crossing, but I didn’t know where that was being
proposed on the drawings. Are you indicating a crossing somewhere or...
No, it’s just a detail that needs to be removed. It was probably most likely a
standard detail like a boiler plate detail.
The rendering shows timber enclosure for the generator pad area but I’m not
seeing anything on a site plan. Are you looking to do any kind of enclosure of the generator.
Yes, we will be looking to fence in the generator.
Okay, we need the detail for that one and then the rendering also showed what
looked like a really nice PVC fence or timber fence on the south side along the bio-retention
where the parking lot is. Is the intention to have that there.
We went through the process of reorienting the site. I'm sure the board is fully
aware of the difficulties we had coordinating with County Max so as you can see, we are no
longer accessing any of Country Max’s existing drives and with the site being rotated, it must
have gotten lost but yes, we will have like...1 think it’s a split rail, like a two split rail fence.
Most thinking because it does drop off there, so you want to have something.
Yes.
Are you doing any striping for like ATM teller or where you’re accessing the
tellers to designate them.
On the canopy as they are driving up, there is actually illuminated signage that
says ATM and then usually the other lanes would have open or closed. Green or red sometimes.
I think a bank has restrictions or conditions for lighting and also for exterior
lighting.
Yes, in NY State, in this state, it is 50 ft. candles within a certain distance of any
ATM that is accessible.
But hopefully you keep it on the site, down lit and not cast out.
Yes, this ATM is located underneath the canopy so the illumination will be
adequate, and all the lighting is pretty much downward facing.
Just two last things, if you could add a stop sign detail with striping and then
there is a random concrete pad on the south side on the parcel is that something that is...........
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That might be an existing one. The old concrete structure to be there.
Is that a structure or is that..........
That is in the dry creek bed. I don’t know what that is. It’s an existing concrete
pad. Maybe somebody had it for a like a lawn chair so they could fish in the creek.
Well, it’s in this easement and I didn’t know what it was for. Just curious if your
taking it out or if that has a purpose.
This site had a very storied life as a farm and I’m sure everyone here is aware of
that. There was a lot of accessory structures on this lot and a lot of the foundations for those
accessory structures still exist today and I do know that the credit union wants to remove them.
Now there’s a lot of trees there to the west of it are any of those staying or
are they all coming out.
We are not clear cutting the entire site. The intention is to actually keep most of
the wooded area that we can as kind of a separation from Country Max and that was something
decided on way early on before we started to even have conversations with Country Max. We
wanted to have the branch cited at the corner of Ridge and Hatch and then anybody that was
traveling on either of those roads could see the branch and then behind the branch would be the
large mature vegetation that is there today. So, essentially only remove only what we really have
to remove.
Okay, so I guess we’re going to hold this off and table it until July.
May I ask a question. How come we can’t go in for preliminary approval.
That is what I was thinking but Josh is saying some of this information
is.........he knows better than I.
Yes, the SWPPP. The stormwater mahagement plan has not been reviewed fully
by town staff. It was not submitted along with he rest of the application so we didn’t have an
opportunity to review it, and you know, upon reviewing it , it might precipitate changes to the
design, so we just want to make sure that the SWPPP that was provided is compliant before the
board grants any approvals.
Would the changes to the design be just increasing the size of the storm water
retention area.
Potentially.
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What other impacts would you see of the SWPPP is not in a favorable condition.
Again, I don’t want to speculate because I don’t ....I haven’t had a chance to review
it but yes, we would want to confirm that a storm water pond isn’t necessary, that’s one example
opposed to the treatments that are being proposed here. So, we just want to make sure that what
is being proposed complies with the regulations before the board makes any decision.
Okay, I do kind of have a special request and I know this is an outlier or oddball
request obviously it’s June, we are looking at two additional meetings because we would have
to have a preliminary and a final.
Actually, if you have all your stuff up to date and all this is resolved, the
SWPPPS and everything, we can do preliminary and final the same night so you’re no further
behind.
So, there’s a chance at the July meeting that we could get preliminary and final.
A very good chance.
Okay. I thought there was a notification process to the local community for
giving them an opportunity to be notified of what’s happening, what the development I, who’s
going there and what they plan on doing. Has this already occurred.
Yes
Does the time period expire on that.
That’s why there has been a sign on the property there.
Okay, excellent. So, the special request is, we’re looking at construction going
into winter with asphalt plants closing and concrete paving not curing properly, the request is,
instead of having concurrent approvals and hear me out, can we submit to the Building
Department the current set of construction documents we have. Not so they can review and
approve, just so they can review so that we are granted approval, hopefully in July, we can then
get the building permit quicker because they’ ve already done their leg work. Like they can hold
off sending us comments, but they’ve already done all that review period. That will save us a
month of time, which in terms of pavement and construction costs. Going in the winter is really
going to help getting this branch open in time. We have a deadline with their lease running out
in their current space and we definitely want to get this built and get the members adjusted o the
new location and bring the staff over as well. We don’t want anybody like laid off or
unemployed. So, all we’re asking for is just can this be a parallel path versus concurrent
approval.
I’ll leave that up to the Engineering.
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That would be a staff determination, and I think we can work with you on that.
We’ ve done that before. So, that if and when the board finally issues the approval, the building
department can issue the permit more promptly. Yes, we can work with you on that.
Perfect. Thank you very much. I truly appreciate it. Any other comments or
questions.
I guess that’s it. You’ve got the information, and you know, I’m sure you
took notes what we were taiking about. So that’s pretty much it. So, we'll table this until July
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RESOLUTION 25-0057 John Kosel made a motion to
TABLED APPLICATION TO
JULY 1, 2025 which was seconded
by Mark Giardina.
VOTE:
Mr. Casciani AYE
Mr. Malta AYE
Mr. Giardina AYE
Mr. Anderson AYE
Mr. Kosel AYE
Mrs. Maltman AYE
Mr. Gasic AYE
Located at 1028 Ridge Road, Ste.
130. Applicant Richelle Acker is
requesting SIGN APPROVAL associated with the installation of a 35 SF illuminated channel
letter building mounted facade sign on a 9.1-acre lot having SBL# 079.12-1-20 located in the HC
High Intensity Commercial District under Sections 265-7 of the Code of the Town of Webster.
Appearing before the board was Richelle Aker and my home address is 11 Ruddy Duck Lane in
Greece, This is my sister Christy Phillips. We’re business partners and we’re opening a play
café in the town center plaza on Holt Road, and we would like to ask to build or have an outdoor
sign installed on our building to identify our business. The name of the business is Play-a-Latte.
I have the dimensions of the sign 180 inches long by 24.4 inches tall.
Just for a second, I am looking at the agenda that says you were later on.
Oh, I’m sorry. It was just......
That’s okay.
I didn’t think it was what you said but then you pulled up our pictures, so | was
confused.
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Reading into the record. (APPLICATIONS WERE REARRANGED AND THIS
WAS THE SECOND APPLICATION HEARD)
It is just an outdoor sign to identify our business.
Are you guys open right now.
No, we are aiming for mid-August as long as all the construction is on time.
And what do you have there. What is the place.
So, it’s going to be an indoor play area for children and a café for the parents
and caregivers. So, a place to come to connect with other parents while their children play and
will also host birthday parties.
See, we are giving you commercial time.
We have been practicing are pitch so.... LAUGHTER
The sign meets the requirements Josh.
Yes.
Anyone have any issues with it.
No.
RESOLUTION 25-0060 Derek Anderson made a motion for
TYPE II SEQR which was
seconded by Mark Giardina.
VOTE:
Mr. Casciani AYE
Mr. Malta AYE
Mr. Giardina AYE
Mr. Anderson AYE
Mr. Kosel AYE
Mrs. Ma!tman AYE
Mr. Gasic AYE
RESOLUTION 25-0061 John Kosel made a motion for SIGN
APPROVAL Located at 1028 Ridge Road,
Ste.
130. Applicant Richelle Acker is
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with the installation of a 35 SF illuminated
channel letter building mounted facade sign
on a 9.1-acre lot having SBL# 079.12-1-20
located in the HC High Intensity
Commercial District under Sections 265-7
of the Code of the Town of Webster. Which
was seconded by Mark Giardina.
[ requesting SIGN APPROVAL associated
VOTE:
Mr. Casciani AYE
Mr. Malta AYE
Mr. Giardina AYE
Mr. Anderson AYE
Mr. Kosel AYE
Mrs. Maltman AYE
Mr. Gasic AYE
ADMINISTRATIVE ITEM:
e Approve Planning Board minutes for May 6, 2025 (GIARDINA/KOSEL) and May 20,
2025, (GIARDINA/KOSEL)
[ With no other applications before the Board this evening Anthony Casciani concluded tonight’s
meeting at 9:00 PM.
Respectfully Submitted,
Signed
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Mark Giardina, Secretary
Katherine Kolich, Recording Secretary
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