WEBSTER TOWN PLANNING BOARD MINUTES
Webster Town Board Meeting Room 1002 Ridge Road
7:00 p.m.
2 September 2025
ABSENT:
Anthony Casciani, Chairman
Dave Malta, Vice Chairman
Mark Giardina, Secretary
Derek Anderson
John Kosel
Peggy Maltman
Drazen Gasic
Frank Ciardi, Attommey
Josh Artuso, Director of Community Planning & Development
Erika Corsi, Planner of Community Planning & Development
Welcome everyone to the Planning Borad meeting of the September 2, 2025.
Please join us in the Pledge of Allegiance/Roll Call. We’ve got I believe, like, seven items on the
agenda this evening. And, Mark, why don’t you go do a roll call, please?
Summary overview of outcome:
TABLED MATTERS
:
1. DINKS AND LINKS
JOE CATTALANI/FIVE MILE LINE RD
TABLED TO OCTOBER 774 MEETING
SCHEDULED MATTERS
:
2. WEBSTER SOLAR GARDEN LLC
KATIE SOSCIA/750 PHILLIPS RD
FEEDBACK PROVIDED
3. POLE BARN
JOSEPH GIORGIONE/895 COUNTY LINE RD
TABLED TO OCTOBER 6"! MEETING
4, POLE BARN
JOHN HAYES/1759 RIDGE RD
APPROVED WITH CONDITIONS
5. VISION MITSUBISHI WEBSTER
Applicant. ROBERT SANDERS/765 RIDGE RD
FEEDBACK PROVIDED
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6. GARAGE
JAY PALMERO/512 LAKE ROAD
APPROVED WITH CONDITIONS
7. CARE A LOT SIGN
CONNOR EWING WITH ELEVATED SIGNS/369 PHILLIPS RD
DENIED
(MARK GIARDINA READ EACH APPLICATION INTO THE RECORD)
(SEE ATTACHED SEQR
RESOLUTIONS
, if any)
DINKS & LINKS: Located next to 900 Five Mile Line Road. Applicant Joe Catalani is
requesting PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN & SUBDIVISION APPROVAL (PUBLIC
HEARING) associated with the construction of a 41,000 SF indoor/outdoor recreational facility
on a proposed 10.4-acre lot consisting of SBL# 079.10-1-2.3 (9.38-acres) and a 1.08-acre portion
of SBL#079.10-1-1.11 located in the HC High Intensity Commercial District under Sections 269-
10, 296-17 and 350-19 of the Code of the Town of Webster.
Appearing before the board is Joe Catallini, representing Dinks and Links.
Hi, Joe.
Joe Cattalani here. For representing Dinks and Links. And as you heard, we're hoping to
puta family recreation center next to Lowe's. Um, this was, uh, land that | think in the early 2000 was set
aside for this kind of thing. Um, Lowe's is on one end. BJ's is on the other. Kind of as bookends we're in
the middle of it. Um, we're, um, not asking for any variances. Um, we have enough parking. In fact, we
are planning on leaving the top quarter, the north end, um, untouched. And that'll stay green if we can.
Uh, we have enough room down below to facilitate our parking needs. Um, and, uh, that’s really about. It
Okay. Did you get a list? Uh, Mr. Cattalani of the, PRC comments?
Yes. I got the PRC comments and the County. They have been responded to. You should
have itin your packet, I got it late Friday, Everybody was off. The Engineers did respond to it today. So
Josh and Erika should have a copy of it, and Keith, Um, of that, wh, and the traffic study came in earlier
today. The comments we had in traffic study as well. So everything's been responded to.
Okay. My understanding right now, there's issucs to deal with the DEC.
That is correct.
Still open on this. [know we did get some letters. You know there support to save the
woods and yeah, you know rcal history on that. That land was Brian Hogan's grandfather, right? He
farmed(?) that land. So that is not an old growth forest, folks. Over there, that's brush trees growing.
Number one. Number two, that whole parcel from Hard Road over to Five Mile Line Road does have an
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approval for this type of building going in there. [t's been approved for construction already. What comes
in we don't know. In this case we have we have this pickleball court coming in and we're dealing with that
currently. Uh, regard to some of the letters complaining about it and things that I see, I'm on the. (?)
Yeah, I'm not connected to the internet.
So, some of the questions and answers that people come up with, I don't know where
they get their information, but they're 99.5% wrong. Um, that said, this still has some issucs to deal with
the DEC. What has changed over the past few years? | don't know, but I do know for a fact this parcel
was surveyed and found to have no wetlands and a few years back now this was...
Yeah in 2023,
I don't know if there's any you know yet. There arerules orregulations that have to be
followed, but we have to wait until this stuff is resolved with the DEC.
Sure.
Okay. Um, again, this is a public hearing, so we will open it up. We will end up more
than likely tabling this. It won't be a vote on this, but if there is anybody here that wishes to speak. If you
do, they ask you to come up to the podium. That's it. Okay. Go ahead.
Uh, Dorothy Fatte, 42 Hightower Way. Um, I believe that this was recently delineated as
having wetlands. DEC's new maps show it as having wetlands.
And you could be right. I don't know that. That's why, that's why we're.
So, um. And J just want to point out that, you know, wetlands contro! floods, provide
habitats for wildlife. They mitigate climate change by um, absorbing the carbon from, uh, and] think that,
uh, it reduces heat islands. And | think we need to look at this carefully as it's surrounded by two
shopping plazas and a senior center that, um, are producing, um, urban heat and runoff, and the wetlands
purify that water. Um, so it's important that, wh, let it not be disturbed so that they can continue to. We'rc,
we're a wet town, and we have an obligation to, um, to Lake Ontario. Um, the Lake Ontario watershed. So
it's important to, um, that the project sounds like a nice project, but this might not be as it's described
currently and its location and where the wetlands are on these properties. Um, that.
We don't know where the wetlands are, so we don't know how big it is. That's what
we have to find out.
We do know. The map show you where the, um, the New York State maps clearly show
you where the wetlands are.
We'll have to see that from the DEC. I've not seen that.
| have. And it's on the it’s on the computer. You can do it.
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They're referenced as areas of Potential Wetlands. Further investigation is needed to confirm
this.
So that's not necessarily wetland. It's a potential wetland. So the map you're looking at
is something the DEC came out with about a year ago. This is about a year ago, isn't it? Derek? January
Not even a yearago, where they threw darts at the wall and said this could be wetlands. And they did this
allover. {thas infuriated a lot of the builders and construction people and so on, in all or not just here,
because it isn't a firm, positive wetland that may be right in the water.
I drive it frequently and It's wet a lot.
I'm sorry?
I drive that frequently and it is wet a lot. So. Yeah. Okay, so if it needs morc identification
1 mean if it needs more approval, fine.
Having water on the site doesn't designate it as a wetland.
Yes. I’m aware
Okay, anyone else?
So we also need to, um, realize that our Comprehensive Plan is coming up for. Uh, to be
looked at, and we may be changing, uh, building codes, um, coverages, um, things like that. That may
definitely impact, | mean, right now, Lowe’s doesn't use that full parking lot, um, that they were required
to build, So, you know, I think that we need to take some time as a town to look at, um, the fact that we
may be changing some of that. Um, so I'm saying that it needs some modifications. Um, it needs further
investigation, and, um. It’s a great business, but maybe not this location.
That's what we do. Okay. Thank you. Anyone clse wish to speak?
AUDIENCE MEMBER YELLS OUT FROM SEAT — INAUDUBLE
Yes. Well, you have to, you have to go up to the podium.
1492 Grand Meadows. My property is probably the closest.
Okay. We're not talking about solar.
What are they talking about?
We're discussing the Dinks and Links project, the property in the Lowe’s Plaza area.
Oh. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Tell me when you get to the solar.
Welcome back again. It's nice talking to you. Okay. Yeah. Go ahead.
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Hello. Um, Diana Davis, 942 INAUDIBLE Lance. Hi. Um, so I'm going to start by saying I
like your acknowledgment and I like Webster's willingness to ensure that the issues with the wetlands,
which are indeterminate as of now, and the DEC and the whole permitting process and everything that's
pertinent to that with respect to the new regulations, is dealt with before any permissions are issued. I
think that's great. Um, so I'm not going to bang on about that. Um, | will say a couple of things to reiterate
kind of where Dottie was coming from with the upcoming Comprehensive Plan point and there being
certain aspects of our code which are out of date and in needing of refurbishment, I do think that any
current development that should be taken into account, things like parking !ot size and lot coverage, those
things hopefully in the not too distant future, will be being updated and that will really affect any future
development that's going through. So I think those factors need to be considered with current
developments. I think that kind of a thing is going to be different in the future, and we shouldn't
necessarily be rushing anything through if we know that imminent is going to be change, which, you
know, ostensibly, materially affects the nature of the development. And having said that, I appreciate that
there was a PDD done by COSTICH in 2002. I appreciate that these woods are not old growth, and that
the intention for this area was always of a particular, uh, direction, viewpoint, remit, what have you.
But! would say that given we do have the Comprehensive Plan update coming up, it should at least be
allowed that, that intention may be reevaluated, modified, re-articulated, particularly because Webster in
2002 was a lot different than Webster in 2025. Um, personally, I think a pickleball court, I've seen the
plans. I think, you know, the development itselfis a great idea. Um, J just do think that and it seems like
you guys are in line with this, that the issues with the wetland and the deck permitting and all of that does
need to be sorted because it's going to affect really, it's setting a precedent for any development in
Webster on or adjacent to wetland in the future. Right. So it's important to like, get that part right.
Okay. Okay. Just one thing, though, is you have to do, I hear whal you're saying. With
the Comprehensive Plan coming up and modification and stuff. Yeah. In the meantime, you can’t tell
somebody you can't do something if they conform to what the code is today.
And I totally understand that.
Unless you put a moratorium on building.
Right. All youcan do, I suppose, is just take that into account in your kind of subjective,
um, analysis, the feedback that you give to the developer any goodwill that they are willing to sort of, you
know, issue forth with those factors taken into account. Um, I realize it's a gray arca and, you know, I'm
not really sort of articulating any, any specific directive for you based on that, But all I'm saying is those
are considerations,
] can only assure you nothing will happen until everything is resolved the way it's
supposed to be. I appreciate il.
Thank you.
Okay. Um. Can youcan you folks here in the back? there are these microphones you
can’t hear? Louder, louder? Oh Jeez, | got the thing. I'm gonna choke on it if] get any closer here. Um, |
don't know if they can be turned up or anything.
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Yes, they can, they can. Yeah. There's a audio.
I should have asked carlier, I'm sorry. Is that any better? Nothing. Can you really?
How about now?
Can you hear okay back there? you guys can hear. All right. Oh, okay. I'm sorry.
Can't, What's that? Youcan. Okay. Allright. I was I can ask the board. Just don't choke on it. But get that
thing close to your mouth J guess. I'm not an expert on microphones. Yes, sir.
1075 Railway Crossing. I would just like to recommend to the board that this arca along the
104, in the 2008 Comprehensive Plan was made high intensity zone for these type of operations. This is
even a low intensity. So the project outside of the question on the wetlands shouldn't have any problem
being passed whatsoever. Uh, there are people that do not want us to take any more trees down in the
town of Webster, but I ask them to go back and look ata map from 1950 where we have more trees today
than we had in 1950. And the reason for that is this was farmland, and the farmland was tumed into
houses where you all live now. So. we also have 2,915 acres of open space right now in the town of
Webster. Anda lot of people do not know where they are. So I'm just saying to the board that this project
is a permitted use in this zone, outside of the questions that are being brought up about the wetlands, and
it should be passed. Thank you.
Thank you. Yeah, I agree with what you're saying. You know, the only thing is, is
there an arca there that was wetlands prior to [ don't know, that's why I'm just. I'd rather table it, make
sure we coverall the bases with it, | wouldn't want to move forward. The motion for an approval on it,
and then have it come back and bite us. That's all. Yes, sir.
839 Lake Road. Um, just thank you, Mr, Chairman and Board, for the opportunity to speak.
Uh, I'm in support of the project. I think this will be a great facility for the community. Uh, continues to
build out the community relalions and allowing people to come together and work together. I'm sure the
DEC and the SEQR and everything that you're going to have to do to make sure it checks all the box are
going to come through. So just supporting.
Okay. At the last PRC meeting, I don’t want to dwell on this if...oh yes sir, go ahead
come on up.
Good evening. | am Larry Henninger. I'm the engineer of record. And, um, last week
when I got the Monroc County comments specifically about the PUBHX Wetland. I sent an email to both
Joe Cattalani and Joe Arrieta, and I'm going to share that with you folks. Starting at the left, you can pass
it down. There'sa picture of me standing in this wetland that's supposed to be permanently flooded, open
water in April. 1] wouldn't have been standing in it if it was open areca and permanently flooded.
Well, when that project was originally approved, way back when, um, the water
sysiem was already put in all the drainage is there. If you've ever gone back and looked at the back side
out there, there's pond back there. There's pond by a Five Mile angled, | think there's what is there 3 or 4
different ponds on that site. They were developed to take the water. Excess runoff water from the parking
lots for was there and for future development. So as far as the drainage that was covered. I'm sorry, Sir.
No.
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That's fine. 1 apologize for being late. It's been a long time since I've been to Webster.
And if I'm not mistaken, chairman, uh, Casciani were you on the board with the Angela Okolo
(SPELLING?)?
I've been here since 76, Yeah, okay.
J recognized you. So I'm an old timer, and I went to the wrong building. But, um. All
right, so. This wetland, they called ita PUBHX. Andon the front sheet, it says this pedestrian non-title
wetlands. Okay, we would agree with that. It's got an unconsolidated bottom because it was dug.
permanently flooded? No. Excavated? Yes. So it's not permanently flooded. It's not open water. What's
my point? ] havea project down in Volney (?), right outside of Fulton, where the Army Corps. when
January 1st came about they changed their wetland maps. They've created a great deal of confusion. They
show potential wetlands 14ft higher than the stream with a slope of 7%. I have requested, and Oswego
County will not review this one single family building until the DEC gives it the all clear. There'sno way
there's a wetland 14ft higher than a stream with a 7% percent slopc. But what's happened now is the
Army Corps draws some lines and they basically send it to DEC and then DEC central office Albany
throws it to the region.
] have another one in Farmington where yes, we know there is a wetland on the south of the Niagara
Mohawk property. We're up on the north right by the Farmington Town Hall, except it's the same tax
account, So Central Office Albany flagged it. Yes, you have a wetland on the property. I've had to go to
Region Eight and ask and after a year of fooling around, we had to withdraw our application in
Farmington because of the sulfur spots, because they're overloaded in (Albany? Avon?) with this stuff.
But my point is, just because somebody waves a magic wand and calls it a wetland. Those are swales that
were cut as part of the COSTICH plan. They're very flat. If you have a swale that's less than 1.5% slope,
it's going to grow Phragmites. It just a fact of life. Youreally need 1.5 or 2% slope and or you got to be
on top of it all the time, always maintaining it.
So there was a wetland delineation done by Marathon Enginecring with um group out of Victor. And the
other thing is that they classified the roadside ditch of the service road as a potential wetland. well, if they
classify every roadside ditch as a potential wetland we're in trouble. You're in trouble if you've got
roadside ditches in the town. But the other thing is that they can't deny you access to your property. You
need a permil, bul they can't deny you access to the property. And we're of the two fields to the north.
One would make a really great little guy soccer. The furthest one north of the two, we're only putting a
parking pad onthe southem one, not on the northern one. And you can sec them up on the map further up
on the map. The other thing I'll just say about parking, the parking for this site is 1.75 every 175 square
feet of gross floor area. You need one parking space. Lowe’s is two. I would agree that Lowe's is
potentially over parked. I did the design for the Lords and Taylor expansion at East View Mall, and the
argument that Willmott made at the time to the Town of Victor was that taking their parking code, and it
was going to create way more parking than you needed.
And if someone can't find a space two days before Christmas, that's just too bad. But most of the time,
people are always going to be able to find a space. The other thing is that some of the western towns, one
being Ogden and actually down in Rush, they're still going with 10 x 20 parking spaces, which increases
your asphalt footprint by 10%. So on the one hand, we're trying to reduce stormwater runoff. We still
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have towns with codes that are probably 30 years old. That's kind of my soapbox right now. Are there any
questions?
Yeah, that's good. Um, yeah, that's what was the point earlier. As far as you know,
they post these. This is wetland. That's wetland. That's in formation that isn't finalized yet. But people sec
this stuff and they said ch that's a wetland there. You can't do anything. It's potentially we don't know.
Nobody knows yet. So anyways, back to that.
Um, the other thing is.
We did get a, we did get a bunch of PRC comments. There are several PRC
comments and.
] haven't seen them. But show ghosted parking. I mean, we can show that if you really
needed it, you could expand your parking on that plenty of times. I'm sure you've seen that.
Yeah. No, we got that. Okay.
All right.
There's, there's, there's discussion about well, I want to go into it all but driving around
the road. So to get to this pickleball thing, you don't necessarily have to go by Lowe's. The roadway is
already out around the perimeter.
Well, but that is, that's private property. That's Lowe's parking lot and Wegmans.
There's a big fight about Wegmans. You know, people wanted Wegmans, Pittsford to put the bus stop up
on Wegmans parking lot closer to the store. And they said, no, it’s private property. That bus stop is on
Monroe Avenue. And so if you're telling people or telling Lowe’s that they've got to allow people to drive
around on their private property, you're creating a liability. In my opinion.
] don't know what the whole story is on it yet. And that's why, again, that goes back to
why we're tabling this. There's comments and concerns. But if you get addressed down here.
Yeah, I'm just saying if Wegmans, says we havea concern, we're not putting bus stops
on our private property, I would think that Lowe's Corp would have a similar reaction.
Okay. Thank you. All right.
Anybody any othcr questions or anything?
| do.
Go ahead.
I guess I'm just looking for a clarification here. Um, seems like the wetlands are
contentious here. When was the most recent wetland delineation completed?
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So the wetland delineation was done in 2023, late in 2023, The DEC has that along with the
SWPPP, we have applied for a permit for freshwater permit on the site, and we're actively before them for
review, That delineation showed no wetland other than a very tiny portion of the most eastern portion of
our parking lot up towards the front and the drainage ditch, which even a gentleman from the DEC said is
not classified correctly. But in any event, we've taken the top of that parking lot, a quarter of the site
which under the PDD was to be fully developed and we decided we didn't need that. You know, we
fulfilled the town's parking without having to pave that. And so we left that green. And the thought is that
the DEC wants us to replace more wetland there. We'd be happy to do it. We've got a we've got a couple
acres to do it with, Um, but we are before them for a permit. And that's where we stand. Now, I don't
know if there's ways to further around. You know, getting approvals was subject to a DEC permit or not
or how the process goes.
Yeah. This is really a good way to do that. However, you know, as part of it.
so as part of the PDD. The entire facility area, the project arca was delineated. North and
south portion.
North of southeast and west. They did all of the properties.
And that report was submitted to the town as well.
Town has it. Yup.
Yeah. Okay. So the the base map that is reflected in the application drawings is incorrect,
which is showing all the wetlands. The base.
the base Map?
so the survcy map...
the Survey map that shows that wetland that comes into that parking lot just a little bit.
While showing a wetland on the north. So to the south,
So that's right. So that that northern wetland is a small dug ditch that is part of the SWPP.
When they originally did this, PDD. Right? They satd, we're going to build all of this retail. Right? And
where my site is, it was approved for 48,000 ft? of retail. So already we're we're building 20% less. But in
any event, when they did that, that comprehensive pian, the the development district, it went from Lowe's
to BJ's right before BJ's. And so what they say is they look at that and they say, all right, listen, if these
buildings get built and they put the buildings on, even though they weren't constructed yet, they put the
Lowe's oul and they put the 48,000 square foot where I am. They put another 48,000 square foot next to
me. They put all these restaurants out in the parking lots, which aren't going to be developed, probably.
But they said if this were to occur now, we need to put a Stormwater prevention plan in for all this
watershed, And so that top piece of wetland around was a dug basin. And there was in inverts there. All
this water eventually gocs to Nine Mile um Creck orum, Shipbuilders Creck. It all exits there. So when
they did this development, they dug that pond out. They dug a pond out up on the north, uh, northwest
side in the very comer. You'll sce a pond there. They dug two ponds right at the entrance to Lowe's. They
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dug a pond behind us. Um, and they dug a pond on the western side. All those were there to mitigate
rainfall in the SWPPP. Now it's 20 years later. And so now what's happened is, over the years, some of
those regulations have gotten a little bit more stringent. So now we have to live with the original SWPPP
and all the benefits, all those ponds. And that one pond becomes a wetland now.
Correct.
Okay. We have to we have to we can live with that, the benefits of it. But the additional
Incremental changes, um, that that are now today's standard we have to meet and we should be able to
meet them very easily. We're 20% less watershed just on our building alone. But we have the SWPPP
before the DEC. The deck is the one that, you know, okays the design, and the town is the enforcement
end of it. Make sure that it’s done right.
So in 2023.
The delineation was done.
Was it determined to be a federal or a state wetland?
State.
State wetland. So DEC.
and now they're all kind of the same. J think the federal has given their jurisdiction over to
the state.
Okay. So I saw that, for example, as part of the RPZ (?) that's being proposed, you're
grading into the wetland and you're filling it on the north side.
Well, there's there's a there's a comment there as to how we're going to get around that.
Yeah. So that's a very small a small portion. That'l! be somcthing that'll be handled with, with the with the
DEC.
Okay. So you are proposing to have some wetland impacts currently that are delineated as
state wetlands. And you're coordinating with the DEC for that impact
Yes. Yeah. That will all be through a freshwater permit.
Is the south. So south of Lowe’s southcast it's referred to as a pond in some of the
drawings, but it's indicated in the plans as wetland. Also, is ita pond or is that delincated wetland?
It's a it's a 4-foot tube underncath Lowe's parking lot. So it's a storage facility itself on the
you're talking about the very south end of Lowe's where it shows.
So it's it's on a proposed property south of the concrete pad. So going east, the whole area
there where.
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Oh, that's a pond. There's an actual retention pond there,
There's actual pond. Okay.
Which is empty, of course there'sit's totally dry, but it's there that was built when they did
the overall development. That was one of those ponds that was dug.
Okay. I think most of my questions that I have here remaining would be engineering
related, So maybe I'll send those to our enginecring department specifically. Some additiona! details |
would like to sce on the plan set. Anything from dumpster enclosures? What are you proposing for that?
All the proposed external, like the volleyball court details, pickleball details, bocce ball details. You're
proposing a mini golf, but there's no grading indicated for that arca. So you know what's going on?
Yeah, I think we talked before in concept. You were, You had concerns about handicap
parking. We put some of that out on the side. Yes. Yeah.
Um, raised pedestrian crosswalk with an actual detail indicating what kind of crosswalk
will be proposed there. I did have a question that might be more engineering related. You're showing
infiltration basins as one of the stormwater practice or infiltration perc tests performed in those areas?
Yeah. Yes. They were there in the updated SWPPP.
Okay. All right.
And it's all the soil, which is a class A soil. Mhm.
Um, I saw the detailers calling it out as a 1.5ft wide, but the drawings are indicating it
anywhere from 4.5-ft to 15-ft wide. Infiltration.
We'll fix it.
Okay. Allright. Um,a couple of erosion Sediment details are missing. Check. Dam, silt
fence, inlet protection, those kinds of thing. Construction, entrance. Um, I also saw there's a stormwater
pipe that's over 300ft long. I was wondering if there should be a manhole there. It's one that's in the
parking tot going cast to west. And then I didn't see any RPZ, details or anything with regards to those
connections,
All right. Let me let me address the RPZ meter. Um, the water main is at the north end
ina 15 foot casement adjacent to the DOT right of way. That's where water is on the property. There's no
other water. If you drive around the perimeter of Lowe's, you will sec their RPZ meter. It's the same
detail. They have a pipe to carry, the swale. They've got to go up and over maintain frost protection.
We're going to have to do the same thing. And] located it. I asked Joe, I said, where is your mechanical
room? And he told me it's to the cast side of the main door. So I drew a straight line north, and we'll have
to get a permit to cross that swale.
Yeah, I was also just look, how are you looking for.
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Just all those 500-ft. So we can't put the meter in the building.
Yeah. Are you accessing the RPZ from 104? or how are you accessing the RPZ from
maintenance?
It'll be at a hot box.
How are you accessing it?
It's going to be a land bridge. You're gonna have to drive in a little gator or something
like that up to where it is.
Okay.
When? When did they get these? Here? The date item is August 29th. Josh, the PRC
comments.
J believe So, yes.
Yes that's, Correct.
That's where they got them. Right. So these are the ones still to be addressed. In other
words, you wouldn’t haven't got anything back that quick on that I'm sure
we received back today. Um, comments regarding traffic study. There was still additional
comment responses that engineering is looking for. Yes.
So that you just got that today?
Correct.
All right okay. All right. So look let's let's do this.
Let me let me. Address one thing. The wetlands that were delineated. In late 2003,
COSTICH hired, I'm gonna say Diebold, but they make locks a firm out of Victor to do the wetland
delineation for the whole thing. The client was Hagedorn Properties, Inc. Hagedom did this because they
wanted to sell land, and they wanted to be, um, full disclosure as to what they were selling. Does that
make that make sense? So they Marathon hired a sub who's a wetland expert. They did it. The client was
Hagedorn Properties, and that's that's where our wetland delincation came from.
Okay. As we have to do now is, Get something from the DC verifying what you're
saying. Address the comments on here, which you've got a month, I guess nowto probably get this. And
then hopefully we'll move forward with the program.
I understand. I've been doing this. I'm 70 years old. I've been doing this for 47 years.
Yeah, yeah. My wifc, my. Wife retired from strong a year ago. She's pushing me to retirc, but 1 gota
couple projects that got to gel wrapped up.
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Okay.
I've been told no more.
I'm gonna let you go now. Go ahead and get them finished. All right. Okay.
Okay. Thank you very much.
Thank you.
And those those engineering comments you have. They were done this afternoon, and ]
emailed them to you about an hour and a half for the PRC engineering comments that you had.
Yeah. Once you get once you get those addressed. Get your paper, all your stuff back
from DEC, we should be able to move. Um, again, this is it's a public hearing, this meeting. Um, in the
case of this, there is interest from people will we won't close the public hearing. We'll leave it open to you
guys. We'll leave it open. So it's that close. So the next meeting, if something new comes up, you want to
address something, you'll be able to do this. Okay? Fair enough.
One thing. Tony, just real quick. If recall the traffic study that we had discussed on this
project, you had mentioned wanting a traffic study to be done because of the impact that the traffic has
from Lowe's to BJ's to the intersection. The report, as I saw it, basically calculated on what an anticipated
flow would be and said, hey, we don't have to doa traffic study based on these requirements. So I guess is
the ask of the applicant that irregardless of what this calculation of what the anticipated number is, where
they fall under that, it wouldn't need to do a traffic study. Are they not required to do a traffic study
anymore? Or is the board still saying irregardless of that, we want you to do a traffic study?
Well, to what, what limit would we have I guess. What limit do we want to go with a
traffic study on this, Josh? ] mean, ] mean, we can carry this thing all the way over to hard road if, you
know, if you wanted to. The area, the arca around, um, BI's, the gas station there that needs to be
modified without a question thal, that that needs to be widened so that what is there currently is part of
BJ's gas station. You know what] mean? Where people can go in and it needs to have a clear shot out,
which could be a little bit move to the north. They can put a stretch of road in there, you know, some
asphalt there and they'd have it. But that's something I don't know. Do we need to have that as a part of
the study I don't know.
Well having that information would be useful. I don't know if it's fair to require this
applicant to bear the burden of doing that, but in terms of potential Reconfigurations that are off their
property.
We did ask the Town Engineer what he wanted or the Town Engineer, Keith, what he
wanted as a traffic study. He supplied to us what type of study he wanted, and we supplied that.
Alf right.
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And we did. We did receive an updated response to some of the traffic related comments
from our Engineering Department. And in speaking with Keith earlier today, he still has some concerns
and some additional information that he's going to require.
Okay then, Keith, my opinion should get that stuff to them like yesterday to get this
stuff.
So we just got it a few hours ago, but I'l! make sure that Keith responds tomorrow.
I] okay, I don't want to get into it, but.
Well, that way, you know, the next that. Know at the next public hearing next month, you'll
know what to do, But if Keith just got it to you, you'll have a month. Hopefully we get it beforehand.
See, I thought he had his comments from the PRC meeting last Thursday.
Yes, and that was yet more. That gencrated a response from the applicant that didn't address
all of our comments. So there are certain things that did not get addressed originally, and that's what I'm
referring to. Okay. Yes.
Okay.
I think we have a question.
651 Cumberland Way. My two questions is if this is tabled for consideration. One is to
understand the users of this new facility. If it's young, can we consideras a part ofa traffic study which is
pending, um, bicycling, And! sce kids that are crossing over 104 with their helmets on a bike. Could we
think about lessening traffic, increasing bike flow and then lessening? Um, you know, just the need for
parking spaces, making this really more inclusive of ages across the community. And the second question
is, can we consider the conservation board's recommendations? Site walk through again? Um, you know,
coming into this next meeting, will there be a conservation Board representative as a part of the next
discussion? Um, I would love to see that. So that that is weighted as well as the DEC determination.
We could do that.
That'd be great. Thank you.
I'll make a note of that.
All right. Um, anybody any other questions? I think at this point, we probably should
table this thing, get the required information that's requested, and, uh, plan on coming in next month with
it and hopefully move forward. Thank you. Is that work good. So you want to make a motion John? Yeah.
I'll make a motion to table the. Um. What is 1( here? Dinks and links. Uh, what is our next
mecting? What's today?
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October 7th.
To October 7th.
Okay, I have a motion. Need a second?
Second.
All in favor?
Aye
Okay. We're good. Yeah. All right. We're all set with that one for tonight.
All right, What's the next one we got on the next one? Yeah.
RESOLUTION 25-0064 John Kosel made a motion for TABLE
APPLICATION TO OCTOBER 7, 2025
which was seconded by Derek Anderson.
Mr. Casciani AYE
Mr. Malta AYE
Mr. Giardina AYE
Mr. Anderson AYE
Mr. Kosel AYE
Mrs. Maltman ABSENT
(Mark Giardina read the second application):
Located at 750 Phillips Road. Applicant Katie Soscia of
Montante Solar is requesting SKETCH PLAN REVIEW associated with a 6.63 MW Soal
Generation Facility across 20-acres of a 120-acre lot owned by Xerox Corporation having SBL#
065.02-1-40.111 located in the IN Industrial District under Sections 269-5 and 350-22 of the
Code of the Town of Webster.
Appearing before the board 1s Katie Soscia of Montante Solar.
Hi. Members of the Town Planning Board and members of the Town of Webster. Thank
you guys for having me here today. My name is Katie Soscia. I'm the director of project development
representing Montante Solar. My colleague Marcus Lathrop represents Xcrox Corporation, and together
we, the applicants, are proposing 6.63MW ofa solar project to be constructed on the Xerox campus in the
town of Webster. I'd like to start by introducing the project basics. This is a 6.63MW facility across 20
acres near the dead end of Caracas Drive.
The project is wholly located in the town of Webster, More than 1000ft away from the Village of Webster
Line. The project will directly benefit Xerox Corporation and a larger community as it's participating in
NYSERDA’s Inclusive Community Solar Project. Xcrox Corporation will be hosting the solar project at
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its campus, and utilizing 60% of the energy generated by the project, and 40% of the energy will be
cligible will go to eligible subscribers through that community Solar program.
The parcel is zoned industrial. RG&E has already reviewed and approved the project, and the project, we
believe is currently designed as in compliance with the Town of Webster zoning code and are asking for
no variances. The project background. Montante solar is a full service developer and installer of large
scale and industrial commercial solar systems. Established in 2009 by two brothers located in Buffalo,
New York.
Montante Solar is still a family owned business. Um, and the projects we have completed range from 100
kilowatt rooftop commercial projects to over 13MW ona landfill constructed in Niagara Falls, New York.
Montante has received a NYSERDA’s quality and scholar designation, is NABSEP certified and is one of
the only installers in New York State to have a Department of Labor approved apprenticeship program.
Haley and Aldrich is our Professional Services is a professional services consulting firm, and it was
founded in 1957 providing geotechnical, environmental and management consulting services across the
United States.
Haley and Aldrich has been consulting at the Xerox Webster campus since the early 1990s, and Haley and
Aldrich, Haley, Haley and Aldrich and Montante have worked collaboratively on past product projects. It
was Haley and Aldrich that introduced Xerox to Montana in 2022. And I'm just going to pass the mic real
quick to my colleague Marcus, just to speak a little bit about why Xerox is interested in doing this project.
And then I'd like to dive in and give you all of the information that I can about this project to date.
Hi Marcus Lathrop, I'm the manager for Environmental operations at Xerox
Corporation, Um, so it was kind of my doing that brought Katie and Montante in. So, as you know, Xerox
is evolving beyond our legacy and print technology to become a broader provider of software and
services. But, you know, with that change, we still remain deeply committed to Our legacy of corporate
social responsibilily as part of our commitment.
We recognize the importance of addressing climate change. And so we havea roadmap to net zero. I don't
know if you've seen it on our website, but it's how we're going to get to net zero by 2040. Um, there are
three pillars there cnergy efficiency and process improvements, uh, circular economy and low carbon
design of our products. And then the third pillar which this project falls under is Carbon Compensation
and neutralization. So the benefits that we sec in the solar project, um, first zero carbon electric electricity
generation that um, this will produce clean renewable energy. Um, optimal land use. The location on our
campus where this is being placed, um, includes a solid waste landfill. So it makes this project kind of
one of the more beneficial uses for this part of our property.
Um, it's a community solar project. So this initiative allows the community to subscribe and bencfit from
the project as well. Um, having access, getting access to renewable cnergy, as well as support for our state
initiatives when the New York State Climate Leadership and Community Protection Act. So kind of my
closing. Um, you invite the community to join us in this endeavor to create a sustainable future So thank
you.
Thanks, Marcus. Um, if we go on to the next slide. | have some background on the
environmental due diligence that was completed for this project. So there the project had a full wetland
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delineation completed, and we have heard back from both the Army Corps of Engineers and DEC. No
jurisdictional wetlands on site for either. SHIPPO. No finding no effect. That's the State Historic
Preservation Office. And then DEC was also notified separately a different department because this is on
a landfill and so an NOT was already submitted the 90 day period has passed with no comment.
if you go to the next slide, I just want to talk about the project siting a little bit. Um, so the project has
been strategically sited on an area of the Xerox campus where there are two closed landfills and 13
monitoring wells, with ongoing monitoring and reporting requirements by the DEC, leaving the area with
limited redevelopment Opportunities. Xerox has deemed that this is the highest and best use for this area.
it's an industrial zone parcel located at the dead end of Caracas Drive, at the northern part of the Xerox
campus, and the project's closest edge of panel is more than 250ft away from, I'm sorry, more than 200ft
away from the closest HOA property line and 740f away from the closest residential lot line. And then
the closest actual domicile is about 800ft away.
Um, the actual proposed site plan includes just under 11,000 solar panels, a top of racking and 18
inverters. The project will be connected directly into RG&E gas distribution lines along Caracas Drive.
And as I mentioned, RG&E has already reviewed and approved the project. The project has been
strategically designed so that all environmental monitoring obligations with DEC can remain intact.
The project has been designed in compliance with national electric code and all state and local laws, and
the entire project will be surrounded by an eight foot tall fence. And on the next slide, I have some
pictures ofan actual project, which I think is kind of like helpful to see what these projects actually look
like. So this is a similar project that was also constructed ona closed landfill. This is actually the project
in Niagara Falls that I was referencing. And so this project is 100% fully ballasted, so no ground
penetrations were made.
And the DEC, you know, we worked with them to review and approve this project. If we go to the next
slide. Um, this is some of the major equipment that will be used. Um, panels. Panels are pretty big.
They're over ten feet tall. Um, and then inverters, just like what an actual inverter looks like, how big they
are. That's kind of onc of our, um, site superintendents opening up a box and looking inside.
If we go to the next slide, this is the racking system that we're going to be using. Um, it's a geo ballasted
system, so it's a weighted system and it has rock in inside gabion baskets and it's weighted down. Um, this
is really nice because no ground penetrations arc made. And also these can be rock can just be brought in
and and dumped onsite. And it's really easy to decommission and take away as well. And I'll get into the
decommissioning of the project in a moment.
So neighboring site lines. Um, so] wanted to talk about really the major neighbors of the project are kind
of to the northeast and northwest. Um, to the direct cast. Xerox owns all that land all the way to Salt Read
and then to the direct west. They own a bunch of land all the way up to I think that's like a volunteer fire
station that you can't quite sec because I have a picture over it, but it's, uh, it's quite a distance away. So,
um, to the cast, there's about 25,000ft of vegetation to the immediate.
To the immediate west, there's about 1500ft of vegetation. To the north west, there's about 150ft of
mature vegetation before it kind of gocs out into more of that mowed, uh, field kind of area. And then
there's some more mature vegetation before there's like a small stream. Um, and then to the northeast, um,
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there's about two, uh, yeah, 230ft of mature vegetation, um, before it kind of gets to that other mowed
area, which is that Webster Meadows, too.
Um, so I just wanted to show what was, um, here right now, um, taking some photos out from the site.
And L also just wanted to point out one other thing, um, the direction of the project. So the back side of
the project will be facing Meadows of Webster and Meadows of Webster
2. To sow there shouldn't.
There's no glare. No panels, Actually looking at we're looking at the back side. So so glare concerns and
concems should be eliminated because of that.
If we go to the next stide, I also want to talk about some more mitigation. So as | mentioned, the really the
major neighbors of this project are to the northeast and northwest. And so we'd like to propose I actually,
a town resident, had reached out to me right before, um, last week, right before this mecting. So I don't
have it included as part of our civil set, but I would like to add it with our next iteration, But I want to add
some landscaping mitigation to kind of help some concems.
So I did have the opportunity Jast week to walk orto walk around the Meadows of Webster and then drive
around the Meadows of Webster 2 and agree that, you know, we can put some, um, evergreen hedge tn to
help mitigate views in the winter months when some of those trees, natural vegetation, mature vegetation
that already exists, the deciduous trees shed their leaves. So putting some coniferous trees in place will
also help mitigate view shadows all year round. Um, I would like to point out that the, um, racking at the
tallest point, the backside is about 15ft tall, and the trees that we're proposing to plant, um, at time of
planting be between 12 and 15fit tall, with some space left in between so that they can continue to grow
and mature and continue to obstruct that viewshed.
Um, we could go to the next slide.
Okay. So the operations plan. Um, so the only way that this project actually makes money is if the project
is up and running. So our operations plan is put in place to make sure that the project is compliant to all
state, local and federal laws and is also ensuring maximum safety and uptime. Um monitoring and
performance can be tracked real time. The utility has real time monitoring and can disengage the project
from the grid whenever it wants to immediately.
In addition, Montante and NYSERDA will both have access to monitoring portals as well, where we gel
real time alerts. Um, anything, like 1] said, can be pulled off virtually, like off site if there's ever an
emergency.
Um. Next slide.
So a decommissioning plan. So making sure that this thing doesn't stick around forever. Um, so the
project will be fully removed at the end of its useful cycle. And the useful cycle of these solar projects arc
anywhere between 25 and 35 years, so a decommissioning bond will be put in place with both the Town
of Webster and Xerox both listed as the beneficiaries of that decommissioning bond, to make sure therc's
monies in place to remove, even if for whatever reason, Moniante isn't around you know, 25 ycars from
now or whatever.
In order to move forward with decommissioning, it would follow a very similar process as as permitting,
we would necd to reach out lo both the Town and DEC to let them know that we want to take down the
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project and sce what the laws and requirements are at that time to safely comply and do so. Um, getting
rid of the equipment itself. Um, panels will be recycled at a licensed facility. Um, all other equipment that
has value will also try to be recycle. A lot of that racking has steel in things like that that has reusable
value and all other materials would be disposed of at a CNI facility, whereas otherwise deemed by the
Town and or DEC. At the time.
] talked a lot. I'm a little out of breath, but I'm happy to answer any questions. And I'd also love to hear
from the community as well. Thank you so much.
On your environmental assessment form. And number seven, you have you have
marked as no. Is that correct? Number seven it reads is the site of the proposed action located in or does it
adjoin a state listed critical environmental area? You have. No.
1 don't think. Oh ] guess from um, | think that there's a separate question on there towards
the end that has about landfills. Um, which is. | apologize, I don't have the SEQR in front of me right
now.
Now, if you got it. Derek, you're you're. That's your field. Number seven.
There's a question about critical environmental areas. Yeah. Um.
It's Mark. No. Does it matter?
There isn't any. There is no particular area.
No, Okay.
Well it is different. And I think it's something that we really need to find out about is
that it's not just a landfill. It was a DEC listed, inactive or hazardous waste site.
Correct.
The Xerox property, which is an active record facility. Yep. And the record of Decision
actually hada thing classified as a code two parcel, which meant that it was a threat to human health and
environment. So therefore you have this asphalt cap over part of the landfill cover. The landfill. What !
did notice from the original decision, the the the drawings are attached in here is actually shown on your
drawings is a different location than the study was done back in the day. At some point, the landfill is
classified as a cold four, which meant it needed continuous monitoring. And my understanding is that
that's supposed to go on for the next 30 years.
Um. Even though you're using ballasted things, you are still building on top of a hazardous waste site and
there are deed restrictions on this property. We are aware of those because of the transfer of ail the
property forthose devclopments that you saw to the north, and there are still our deed restrictions on
those properties that require, at least on the neighboring parcel portion of the landfills to be under the the
wetlands and wooded areas to be maintained. The green space with no development in that direction came
from DEC. I don't sce any of that stuff addressed in your application.
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There are deed restrictions on. It is something that we need to sec. To verify that those are still in place
and what they actually entail. So there are semantics about that in the past and the previous product. Find
out what the deed restrictions are and really find out from DEC your simple comment that you sent it to
DEC and they didn’t respond in 90 days doesn't really hold water for this particular property. | called the
director whose person was supposed to be the manager for this application.
There is no longer an email address that works and her phone number is directed to a different person. So
I believe that person has left DEC at Albany. Your application. Her name was Debbie Gordell. I don't
believe she is there anymore. Where where the application has ultimately gone to. That's up for you to
determine. But right now it seems like if you haven't got a response, it's probably because they have had
staffing changes and that has been systemic across all of DEC. see. So being outside the comment period
doesn't work for this project. This is. This is a hazardous waste site and it's something we want to make
sure it's protected properly..
Yeah. There's a change in your notification. Went to the, um, the individuals in Albany
that are. Managing a record permit. So they're awarc of the site and landfill. Yeah I don’t recognize that
individual that...
So that's where we need the. She's listed as the project manager for review of this
application in DEC.
Okay.
So we would need to get an absolute response from DEC that this is a permitted project.
It's nice as permitted by our Genie. They don't know what's undemeath the ground. You Xerox know
what's underneath the ground. Even monitoring your plans do show on it the rock trench that was blasted
into the ground forthe correction of the ground, the groundwater, the dual phase vapor extraction system
that was used for collecting the groundwater in the vapor space for remediation.
Yep.
Is that operation? Still going on?
Absolutely. And if you look at the the layout, you'll see where there's certain gaps around
our monitoring wells and our recovery wells. And then we made changes to the solar panel. So we have
access to those to monitor those for the next 30 years maintain or whatever. So yeah, none of that is
changing.
So with that amount of monitoring on and based on decisions in the neighboring arca,
personally, I think it's unlikely the DEC will let you go ahead with this property just because it is a
contaminated site and we don't want to we don't want to create a situation, and it's going to allow it to
become a way to release those contaminants. Once again, this is a very specific cover on this linc. So you
don't see very many landfills that have an asphalt cover in regards to your landfill you put up in Niagara
County, that was what A C and D landfill or a municipal waste landfill. It has a liner system and six fect
of cover on top of it. This landfill is not covered that way. It's a different type of cover.
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Yeah. Thank you. I appreciate your comments and we'll definitely follow up for sure. Just
so you know, as part of our NOI te DEC, we are doing geotechnical investigations to ensure the asphalt
land, the asphalt cap can withhold any weights to the landfill. Haley and Aldrich will be at our next
meeting and can talk about that testing in more detail. Unfortunately, I'm just not the best person to talk in
detail about the engineering related to that.
It's not just the asphalt, but it is the cover that was put over the other landfill on the site.
Yes, that was a CNI landfill.
That hasa specific color cover on it too, And making sure the delineation of what you
show on your drawings really does match with what was in the the original delineation for the project.
We'll get something in writing from DEC to address your concerns.
One thing I just want to note in kind of what, um, what was was there kind of mentioned
your fence system? It's not a ballasted fence system. And so the posts are going to be driving through the
caps that are on site.
So there's existing, um, fencing already on site, specifically around the asphalt cap that will
remain in place. And then we're going to be adding on around that. We can change to ballasted, um, if
that is something that the DEC requests, which is, you know, part of this discussion is something that will
be, um, going down in deeper detail with them.
Yeah. I mean, if you, um, can you just jump back to the drawings that they had? You've
identified the areas as landfill, but then you're also showing fencing going through that area. And the
fencing detail is a typical Fence that's going to be probably protruded four feet into the ground, passed the
cap, impacting the cap. So it's something that should be also reviewed because right now the proposed
fencing throughout the whole site, if, if, if the landfill and the environmental sensitive areas are not just
limited to the areas that are currently shown in these drawings, you're impacting those environmental
areas all throughout the site with your fencing.
We can definitely do ballast. It's something we're comfortable with. It's not foreign to us.
We've done it before on other landfills in the past. We're happy to do it here as well.
Okay, just give us documentation to that then when you come in.
Yeah, I'll update the drawings.
Sketch plan tonight anyway. So. Yeah.
Um, you're doing string inverters.
Correct.
Is it string inverters in a central location or string inverters?
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Correct. String inverters in a central location right by the access road.
Okay. So it's fire access. With the road is the road
Yep.
is the read HS 20 lower rated, or is the road HS 20 low rated for fire trucks?
Yep.
Okay, I might want to recommend a turnaround area there for a fire truck.
Um. Where would you like to sce it?
Usually like a k turnaround area at the end so that a fire truck, ifit were to pull in, can turn
around and leave again?
Okay.
Actually, the fire department would probably come up with something the they are
tuned right into. Anything like that. So they'll give you some feedback too, I'm sure.
That'd be great. Yeah. We would like to have a comment rather than just like proposing
something.
01:05:44:11 - 01:05:50:17
So is there going to be a knock box at the gate so that fire department can access?
Yes. And they'll be training as well. I forgot to mention that as part of my operations
program, they'll be training to the fire depariment as well as part of this project.
Will there be annual trainings after that? First training for any new staff members of the
fire department or upon request by the fire department.
We can do it upon request, for sure. Every time there's, like, turnover or something.
Uh, in the areas that you're putting, arrays that are in wetland areas. Are you using timber
matting as you're crossing those wetland areas?
Um, I believe yes. We're using mats. We are. Even though they're not jurisdictional
wetlands, we're still being compliant to the, um, uh, nationwide permit, uh, 51 just to, uh, not have to go
through permitting for that project.
Okay. Um, you already touched on landscaping plan. If you could provide that, uh, if you
could use, like, a staggered planting system. So it isn't just a single row. Um, probably minimum plant
height at planting should be eight fect, and then, uh, at least a two year landscaping warranty.
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For sure.
I think you mentioned 12 foot, didn't you?
Yeah. We were actually going to do 12 to 15ft just because that's about the height of the back of
the rack.
I wasn’t sure is that was the spacing that you were proposing.
Yes. Ourten foot on center spacing, just so they can grow healthy over the years and not
like choke cach other out.
Okay. I have some just brief questions on this.
From some of you folks in regard to.
This. Sorry. Just some brief questions on a decommissioning plan that they provided. I'm
sorry. I had just some brief questions. So in the decommissioning plan, could you provide existing
condition, um, images of what it looks like, including aerial view. Um, I saw the proposed escalation be
25 years. Would you be able to do that escalation at 40 years plus 18 months for decommissioning?
Um, could we do. Can I can I ask why 40?
Drazen It's just typically I've scen 40 years on them. Why was 25 picked?
well, 25 coincides with thc lease and we do have two five year options, which would be 35
years. So it would coincide with the end of the lease.
Okay.
But we can do 35 years if that what you would like to see.
Uh, 25 plus 18 months is good cnough | think, Or I'm sorry. You have extensions in your
leases. So I would cover the extensions as well.
Okay, so we'll do 35 plus
18. Drazen Gasic: Uh, at 2% escalation. And then I'm not sure if you've done this before, but if you are doing
bond instead of Ictter of credit, would you be able to do like a standby trust fund, um, ¢stablished so that,
uh, the surety company can pay the fund into the trust company if something were to happen, um, with
the owner of the facility.
I'm not well versed on that. Let me take that question back, and I'd like to talk about it
internally with our ownership. And I can get back to you for sure, but it's a standby trust fund to fucl.
Okay.
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That's all I have right now.
Got it.
Okay. A bunch of you folks and neighbors there, Is that why you're here? Okay, so
this is just informational, as you just saw tonight. Its not a public hearing, Um, I know there's a few of you
would if you want to speak. I want to get. I don't want to open this up to everybody going up. It's nota
public hearing. However, if maybe 2 or3 people want to come up and weigh something. Um, we'll open tt
to that, And just for clarity, 1 mean, just three minutes. That's it for clarity.
For clarity, there will be a public hearing. Yeah, that's that's so you'll have Plenty of
opportunity to speak. But we I think Tony's right we'd give a few people the opportunity Today.
If somebody go ahead. Yes. Just give us your name and address.
Tony, I think it'll be helpful. Just reiterate that this is a sketch plan level right now. So
they'll be coming back for another site plan, which would have the public hearing associated.
Hi. Elaine Johnson, 626 Pine Lakes Trail. I honestly just I don't know much about solar
panels and energy. | have a lot of questions for the company, so I'm | don't know if you wanted to hear
them or if | could arrange time to ask the questions.
I can give you my part. ] would be happy to set up a meeting with you. And honestly, I
know the other neighbors you might have.
We can't hear you, number one, Number two, you need to address the board, not the
applicant, that you can ask the question. then she will get up and respond at that time.
And, and and if you have any direct questions to the developers.
! can just ask them separately.
They, seem to belicve they want to talk to you so you can have that opportunity as well. So
not at This meeting Not not right here.
No, I know, I guess my my one question that I'll raise to the board is I noticed that this
40% goes back to the community, um, in the, in the, in the energy and the power. Right. And I notice it's
designated for only for low income. So is. Is that is there a reason why it's designated that way?
If you want. Yeah. Well, Ict's do this. Why don't! drag this out? It's not a public
hearing, but you got your question, and we'll have you come up. You can adjust that down and this way,
everyone can hear exactly what what her question was and what her answer is.
Yeah. So the question is why can only like low to medium income housing or
disadvantaged communitics subscribe. So that's just the program that NYSERDA to has laid out. It's
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called the Inclusive Community Solar Program. Um, so right now the only way that Xerox can constuct a
project that is also a community solar project so they can receive the benefit is through this program.
Unfortunately, the the they're the only other program out there is called statewide solar for all, and Xerox
can't participate as at all because they're a corporation. This ts obviously on Xerox land, and they're
wanting to make the project happen. But but I would like to give you my card, as well as anyone else in
the community who has some questions. I would love the opportunity to talk with you. Happy to arrange
like a virtual town hall or come here in person sometime as well. So sorry for.
Just a quick follow up on that, So the 40% goes to the community. So part portion of
this project is considered community solar correct?
Correct.
Yes. Onc thing | think we ought to have town council look at, and I don't know if it's
been addressed yet. Take a look at our code for solar community solar. Our code specifically says all
residents of Webster.
Uh, I. I don't recall seeing that in the town code.
It's it's a model code and when it was adopted, it has the word all for who is benefit,
who benefits from the electrical.
So, I guess what is your feedback?
Unless that’s changed in the last couple of years?
1 guess what is your feedback for for me then?
So my feedback is that this, you know, 40% goes to the community. And if it has a
caveat in there saying it could only benefit a low income, that's not a conformance with the town code.
Okay. I'll take a look at that.
I'll have council take a look at it and verify. But the last time I read it, which was
admittedly a year or so ago, it did have the word residence.
Okay, I didn't catch that. Thank you for bringing it up. I'll be sure to look at that. Thank
you.
It is different than the model code that was out there.
Thank you.
Yeah, 1, ] can. Can provide you my email as well.
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Hello, I'm. Thomas Fitzsimons, 1484 Grand Meadows way. Um, I have a few
comments and concerns. I don't need answers to everything right now. I just want to get them oul there so
other people can maybe join in and understand where I'm coming from. Um, the first thing was when we
saw the first maps of where this was going. It's in a wooded area, so you're going to cut down a bunch of
trees to put up solar panels. And if it's benefiting, I didn't know who was benefiting originally. So now
you're not benefiting Xerox. They're paying for it. It sounds like they're going to get 60%. They've got a
ton of open land where they could just put solar panels in without having to cut trees and woods down.
So it's just the concer is why was that considered and or was it not and why why. ! understand I didn't
know it was a landfill. So but it's a wooded area and like it’s the wildlife and the trees is what I was
concerned about. That was my first comment. Um, the other was, uh, there's in the plan document that I
read, uh, yesterday, the day before. There's a lot of comments on if they hit contamination, The equipment
will be decontaminated and all that. So I'm wondering, is this normal, that normal language in these
things where they're going to build these properties or do this kind of work? Is it normal that they talk
about contamination so much, and what they have to do if they do run into a contamination?
Okay, I'm going to hold you up a second on this. We're getting off base with this thing,
They've already said the whole site is already a contaminated site that's been shielded over. Okay. And
protected. So that's that's why they're using it. Can that be used for any development or anything else? So
rather than go into a good wooded area or natural feature or whatever, uh, this would be the ultimate use
for this piece of property. Alt right, I want to I just I don't want to drag this out. J opened it just fora
couple of comments. Not for a whole.
No. And J just have one more is, um, | just would like to understand or maybe have
some comments back on what this will do to the assessment of our properties with this the solar pancls
system so closc to Grand Meadows and everybody in that community in Grand Meadows Two that's now
being built. Um, will this it does. Does this type of thing affect the assessments of our property that did?
I appreciate that, that's good. A letter a letter address that if you want to address that
right now, or do you want to just make a note of that and address it in the future, whatever you prefer to
do.
Yeah. No. Thank you for your questions and concerns, I've wrote down some of them and
I'm happy to kind of like take it back and address them. Um, regarding the the assessment, I'd like to have
a land use attorney answer that question. I just don’t think I'm the best person to to answer that for you, so
I apologize. But, um, like I said, this. Is Just a sketch plan meeting. At our next meeting, our full team
will be here, which will include our engineers and our legal counsel as well, which can help address some
of those questions that I can't answer.
Okay.
Yeah. Thank you.
Okay. All right. With him. You had your answer. Right, One more. That's going to be
it.
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1492 Grand Meadows Way. Uh, Tom brought up a good point and I'm just going to
reiterate it. We could flip that map onto pavement. I don't know if this would be for Marcus, you know, so
I don't expect an answer right now, but it's. Why can we flip property and go right offa paved area that's
not in use? I don't know, but that's something that be interesting to know. I do have a map. We're
probably the closest property to where the panels will be. So obviously [havea concern with that. And I
have not only the map that was in the display, but I havea picture from the back of our property. I know
you can’t see it from the back of our property, which faces south- southeast And my question is what
would I see? If this comes up? I talked to Katie earlier, but my big concern is what am J going to see?
Especially during the winter when deciduous trees lose their leaves? What is expected?
I believe they talked about having. I guess they talked about putting 12 foot pine
trees in there ten feet apart.
Yeah.
Number one. Number two, you Have to. Look at the positive side of this to that being
zero axis property. You could have had a five story building there.
Yeah.
And to me that this is to me a whole lot more acceptable.
And I realize that this property is owned by Xerox. So the whole discussion is kind of
moot. Yeah. But you know, I just wanted to bring up the comment to sec if 1 could get some answer for it
That's all.
Okay. Appreciate it. Thank you.
And everybody. Don't forget we will have the opportunity at the public hearing as weil to
have more comments and questions.
So I can just doa quick answer. Um, So. For the Xerox perspective, I worked with our
real estate team and we looked at the whole campus, you know, trying to find the best location, There's
the re-imagined Webster program between the Village of Webster and the Town of Webster that's going
on. So there's some ideas for some of the other property and what how that could benefit Webster. So
when you're looking at the whole thing froma, you know, 30,000 foot view, we said, okay, what's going
to be the one area where you could do this, where it wouldn't impact some of the potential growth
opportunitics here? And so that's why we selected the landfill.
Thank you. Okay. Thank you. All right. Anybody. Anybody clsc? Ycah. No. I'm sorry.
Uh, just curious, docs this qualify for a brownfield project with NYSERDA or. No, with it
being a contaminated site?
Uh, we. Did reach oul to Minnesota and confirmed that it would be a brownfield project.
Is that the program that you're applying through?
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Uh, so. There's been a lot of changes with the nicer program. I don't know how closely
you've been following it, but just at the beginning of summer. So right now, I believe we would be
applying through the Inclusive Community Solar program and it would be a brownfield adder.
Okay.
Okay, Anybody? Dick. Peggy. Anybody. Any concerns? All right. Then look, we've
we've gone through the sketch plan review of the project for the solar solar garden. Um, I think you've got
some responses that you can fill in the blanks on.
For sure. I'd like to.
You're saying you have somebody coming in because that's. I read somewhere in your
literature that's already black capped over, isn't it?
It is. Yep.
Okay. But we don't know how thick it is. But you got somebody coming in that was
going to be. My concern is what happens in the summer with those gable ends full of stone. Will add it,
sink into the asphalt. Will that ultimately crumble up or what? You know. So that's you going to be able
to adjust that.
So that's the comment that Mr. Anderson had brought up just wanting something in writing
from DEC, acknowledging the project as part of our NOI to DEC. We did have a geotechnical
investigation plan proposed in there, to make sure that the integrity of the CAF would not be affected.
Okay.
But yes, | appreciate all of the questions and concerns. I'd like to go back and make some
edits to our plan set and come back again for a preliminary site plan review.
October 7". Sounds good. Sounds good. Okay. Good luck.
Thank you so much, Thank you everyone.
Okay.
Thank you. I'm sony. I'll stick around. | have my card if anybody wants lo grab my info.
Thank you.
AUDIENCE TALKING INAUDIBLE
(Mark Giardina read the third application)
Located at 895 County Line Road. Applicant Joseph Giorgione is requesting
PRELIMINARY / FINAL SITE PLAN APPROVAL (
PUBLIC HEARING
) associated with
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the construction of a 1,536 SF metal pole bam on a 2.7-acre lot having SBL# 081.01-1-46 located
in the LL Large-Lot District under Sections 269-10, 350-13 and 350-36 of the Code of the Town
of Webster.
Appearing before the board is Damian Costanza and Joseph Giorgione.
Good evening. Thank you for having us. I would say that my feelings are somewhat
somewhat hurt, that everyone's like.
Okay. Good. Somebody closed that door, Thanks. Go ahead. I'm sorry.
I'm anattorney. I'm here. Uh, purely, almost in an advisory capacity for Mr. Giorgione,
who I've known for 25 years, Mr. George Oney suffered a bout with the COVID virus in which he almost
lost his life as a result. Sometimes he has some trouble with his speaking voice, so I'm here to offer aid
and assistance where I can this evening. This is an application for a pole barn on Mr. Giorgione ‘s
residential property. The pole barn is 32 x
48. It will be composed of 28 gauge metal. Uh, it. There is a 65
foot, uh, setback from the rear property line that we have put into the plan. Uh, knowing what the
setbacks would be, we've got ourselves a little bit of grace room there. Uh, it will have no floor other than
crushed stone. Crushed stone floor. There will be no electricity. There will be no plumbing. Uh, there will
be no water to the facility. It'll be primarily just be used for storage. Uh, this is primarily as a result of the
fact that, uh, Mr. Giorgione lost his father, uh, Recently a Mr. Giorgione His father was a mason for all of
his life. As a result, there are some things that came into Joe's possession. He needs some space to store
those things in. So this would serve that function primarily for him. Uh, the, uh, the metal facility would
be constructed of black metal. It would be directly behind the house. There's no side of the property
issues, therefore. Um, as you know, the size of the facility. Um, and it is a post and beam barn. The
trusses are not being homemade. Uh, they have been ordered. They are professionally made trusses for
the structure. Uh, Mr. Giorgionc has lived at this address for, I believe, just over 20 years. Uh, as a result
of his bout with Covid, he is now having thoughts that he will be spending morc time at home. Therefore,
this is an attempt, I think, to, have more use of his property. And as he will be spending more time there
in the relatively near future. Uh, he also owns a couple of, uh, rental propertics. Sometimes there are
things that need to be stored. Uh, this would allowa place for for those things to be stored, like washing
machines or things like that.
Another question. Uh, I'm looking at a copy of the proposed barn. You say there's no
electric going into the barn?
That's correct.
Uh, the two wide doors. I don't know if they, um. I get the closer when I start chewing on
it. Um, there's two. Two large, uh, looks like, uh, doors or garage doors. Are there going to be operated
manually?
Yes.
Okay.
Anybody any questions? Okay. | don't see any dimension of the height of this, What's
the height of this?
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I'm sorry.
The height of the building?
Will have a 12 foot ceiling. 48ft in. Length.
The code gets pretty specific. Pretty specific? It's maximum height. What is it? 20ft. I
believe 20ft. The maximum height is 20ft. That's to the peak. Your highest point. So I don't know what
you've got. You're not showing anything in regard to it, though. But I haven't seen it anyways.
Mr. Giorgione informs me that we're looking at 1 6ft.
I 6ft?
Yes.
Okay. All right. You probably should. All right. Let's Ict's say 16ft. Then Ict's make a
note of that. That the height is 16ft. Um The colors are pretty accurate with what it's showing there.
I believe. Mr.. 1 believe Mr. Giorgione actually has a piece of the metal, if you'd like.
Okay. That's good. That's one you don't have to just. You can just show it. Show us.
Yeah. So it's a dark. Okay. Similar to what's here.
Its black.
Okay. Um. There's no variances required for this?
Nonc.
Okay. All right. Anybody any questions or concerns? This whole pole falls within the
requirements of the height.
No, it's a public hearing.
It's a public meeting.
Yeah. No, no, J just I just wanted to, if they were donc. Yeah,
You can go up to the mic.
We are Peter Specksgoor and Deb Specksgoor. We live at 899 County. Line Road,
which is directly behind this. Our concerns are that, first of all, he has not indicated where he's going to
build this. So there's no site plan. Where? where are you going to build it? where on the lot?
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He's showing it on the map here where ils going.
Where? Point to it on which side of the creek. Because the map I got from the Town
shows it drawn on our property, which is on the other side of the creek.
Huh?
Yeah. It looks to me that they just put that in there to be there. It docs not show it, It
doesn't say where it's going to be. And it really should. | mean it has to.
Mhm. Um, you know.
Typically we want a
| think the way this was submitted was deliberately misleading. So it's not on here
Can I sce that. Can I just speak to this for a second.
Sure. Absolutely.
So we had a little trouble helping the applicant try to sketch the location to scale on the
survey map, because the survey map that was provided indicated a 1 to 40 scale, But then when we scaled
it out to his sized building, we realized it wasn't right. So Erika sketched the building up top. Okay. It
wasn't intended to to to reflect the location on your property.
That's what they took it. So maybe you should reconsider doing that.
Okay, why don't we do this? Why don't we do this? We'll get to a solution to this
thing. Uh, that's. You drew that, right? Erika, where youre showing it?
That’s Correct
And I can sec where itis. I got the program here. Why don't we do this? If we approve
il, we can, It's up to the board. If we were to approve this project, we could make it subject to the
applicant. Having an engineer actually make a site drawing with the location to.
Why would you put the cart before the horse???
Let me finish. Let me finish. He won't get his approval until that would be completed.
IIe'd have to give that before he could get a permit. That's all.
I just think that's a bad idea, Um. I like to know the setbacks from all the lot lines. And
there's a creek in the back, and I'd like to know the setback. The lot lines in the middle of the creek. So do
you take that into consideration or not?
From the looks, I don't.
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It requires 50 ft rear setback from the property line.
And he's got that.
Correct.
|] thought it was a 60 foot?
Double check, but I believe it was
50. Anthony Casciani: 350-36 is part of the code. I believe it's where it is. Did you find it in the code?
That's the problem. It doesn't. Doesn't illustrate it on this.
I mean I understand the well-intentioned of the Town to assist in sketching the scale, but I
think the instrument survey should reflect the actual applicants location of the pole barn, and then also
indicate the setback requirements that are required as part of the application. Clearly, on this instrument
survey, and I also see based on the aerial view, that it looks like this has already started to be constructed,
including, um, elongation of the drive to the back. So is that is that something thal was approved in the
past to start this already or.
No
Okay. So what you guys want to do. You want to table it?
Ycah.
I have some other comments I'd like to get through. It's too big, It's too ugly. We'd like
to sce it downsized. The house is a tiny 2-bedroom branch 1,230 square foot. The building he is
proposing, To put up is | ,536 square foot. It's almost a third size larger than the house itself. He made the
application, saying he was just going to store a tractor and some houschold goods, which is absurd he
intends to store much more. He's already changed his mind. And, um, you don't need. Our shed is Icss
than 200 square foot, and we store a tractor with a bucket a riding lawn mower and household. So this is
absurdly large. He also, um, owns, And this is the major concern. He ownsa business called Upstate Auto
on 104 which, as far as I can tell, is like a junkyard auto shop place. So our concem.
You say it's like a junkyard auto shop now.
His business on
104. He has a business on 104,
Okay.
That is called Upstate Auto. It's a junkyard. It's an cycsore. It's a mess, | am afraid that
that business, by its own admission, he plans to be homc. I'm afraid that he's going to run a business out
of this commercial type bam. it doesn't pass the smell test. Something is up.
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And why would you need two 1 Oft tall doors just to store you know a tractor and some
houschold items. It seems like he wants to bring in, you know RV or something to work on. And he says
the building is going to be 16 ft tall, but is hes got 12 ft side walls anda 4in run on the roof, that’s another
§ ft, so that’s 17 ft.
Junk. He wants to bring in junk.
That's 16 for you said you said. What's the walls? 12 foot 12 and four is 16, | think,
isn't it.
No. He's got four inch run on the, on the roof, on the pitch of the roof. So every foot
you go up four inches. So my calculations he’s going to have Sft on top of that 12 ft.
So that sounds like okay, we got your message on it. Um, sounds like the board would
prefer to table this. You can write.
In addition to........
Okay. We're all set. Thank you very much.
One final point, his house is going to be shorter than this building, which makes it out of
ae Casciani: Well, I don't that's have to be determined, I guess.
It's not for you to determine if it’s out of code?
The the height of the house you're saying is lower.
Yes.
It says no accessory building shall be higher than the main structure
Right.
So if his...
what is the height of his house, do you know?
I don't know.
Surc it's a small ranch.
Okay. So they could very well be 16 foot too. Okay, we'll have to ask them to
determine that and show that on the drawing. Okay.
Okay.
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Okay. Good comments. We appreciate it. We just have to have them addressed.
I just would like some guarantee from the Town that what he says and what he does is
the same. And it. Will you enforce that going forward.
Okay. Thank you. All right. So what do we want to do here? Ask to table it. What do
we want them to show? Actually, probably the best way to say is to look at the code and what the code
requires. And just like that.
Provide us the submittal that conforms to the code.
Oh yeah. Right. Yeah. This one.
Shows. The site plan, the building height, the height of the existing building, square
footage, square footage of the building compares to the acreage of the lot.
Yeah.
Yeah. But because he may have a big lots getting the acreage this way, he's able to get the size
The location.
The actual location, the actual setbacks.
So. So it's a tape location. All right. So we're going to Ict's get it together. We got to
get a tape location map showing.
We need just something that conforms with the code.
Ycah. Well the table yeah actually that's in there too. So yeah. Okay.
Have an engineer, make you drawing up, showing where it is, what your dimensions
are and you want to give the height of the building, height of your house relative to okay. Just go by the
code, That's it. And setbacks. He's okay. He's gota lot.
No, we don't know because we don't know where il's going to be on the site.
Yeah. I mean, well, it looks like it looks like he's got a lot of room there, but. Okay.
Yeah. Albright. That's where we're at, I] guess right now. So motion and tables, gentlemen.
Excuse me. Motion to table um ....
Giorgione pole barn
Uh yeah 895 County Line Road for the Pole Bam, motion to table that until October 7",
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Second.
have a second. All in favor?
Aye, ayc. All right.
RESOLUTION 25-0066 John Kosel made a motion for TABLE
THE APPLICATION TO OCTOBER 7,
2025 which was seconded by Mark
Giardina,
VOTE:
Mr. Casciani AYE
Mr, Malta AYE
Mr. Giardina AYE
Mr. Anderson AYE
Mr. Kosel AYE
Mrs. Maltman ABSENT
Mr. Gasic AYE
Located at 1759 Ridge Road. Applicant John Hayes is requesting PRELIMINARY
/ FINAL SITE PLAN APPROVAL (
PUBLIC HEARING
) associated with the construction of a
768 SF pole barn on a 0.57-acre lot having SBL# 081.01-1-20 located in the LL Large-Lot District
under Sections 269-10, 350-13 and 350-36 of the Code of the Town of Webster.
Appearing before the board was John Hayes.
Yes, sir.
Hi, my name is John Hayes Um, we're looking to build a 24 x 32 ft pole barn um to be used
as a garage for wifes car and winter storage for a boat. Um, basically we are 268 sf over what code calls
for for our lot.
0:1:38:04:19 - 01:38:07:28
Okay. Let's see.
I'msorry. Tony I just get onc more comment about the previous application. Is that the
acrial photograph It looks like it's fairly new. Um, whenever it was taken, it implics the construction has
started on it.
01:38:21:12 - 01:38:23:16
Oh, and the project on the previous project you're saying?
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Correct. | think it's something that the town building inspector ought to go out and
check and make sure the work is not started on that project.
Okay. Would that be that brown area back there? Yeah.
There's a brown area and there's piles of stone and there's.
Oh, yeah. There's a driveway right there.
Theres a dozer there.
Yeah, the imagery says it's dated 2025. So this is very new imagery. Mhm, So this is
something that code enforcement should go out and check.
Yep, We'll follow up on it.
All right.
You got it. All right. Sorry.
So, um, The color will be gray and match the house with a red roof. Um we are looking ata
single 14 x 10 garage door, personal door and a couple windows. We want to do the attic trusses so the
overall height will be 23 ft 10 in, which | know we arc set to go in-front of the zoning board for that, and
one setback off by 3 feet. The survey map shows where its going to be with the setbacks.
I'm guessing it's 12 foot. The height of it at.
12 foot to the ceiling. And then we're doing the attic trusses so storage up above, which will
make it overall 23ft, 10 inches.
Okay. What's the height of the house?
The house is 21 ft to the driveway.
So you'd have to get a variance?
Right. And actually it's going to be sct back from the house. So it's line of sight from the
road. It should be about the same height as the house.
This is for personal use 1s ut?
Yep. It's to store the wife's car for the winter so I don’t have to wipe the snow off it. And
storage for the boat.
Ycah, it's not excessively large, so that's all right. Any questions or concerms on it?
You get a variance for it anyway. So yeah. You’re matching it to the house?
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Correct, Yeah. The color is going to match the house.
It would be helpful to just have a framing plan to indicatc, you know, or is it a prefab that
you're just getting. Is it something that you.
It’s a pole barn, So it's I got the um INADUIBLE And here's a picture of what it's going to
look like.
Okay, I'm not sure if that was submitted to the time.
But I'm having Santelli Lumber build it.
Um, okay. So you have a cross section essentially of like what your truss height will be
and what kind of framing you're proposing your footers or anything hike that,
Um, it's a typical pole bam. Okay. It has a post, um, every cight feet. Um. Dug into the
ground.
Oh, okay. Sorry, I didn't see this before. Yeah. Okay.
So basically every feet. The post, um, said they got Santelli lumber. They're the ones
building it.
Sounds good.
Okay. Again, this is a public hearing. If there is anyone here with you. Speaker four I
guess not seeing anyone. We'll close the public hearing. Bring it back. Any concerns, Dave?
No, just have to get a variance for the. Yeah, for the top.
This applicant is going before the zoning board next weck. So they've they are.
We can we can approve it, make it subject to the variance. That's all that way you don't
have to come back again.
Thank you.
Um, any other questions? Are you guys are right wih it then?
All right. We have to do a SEQR right?
Yes.
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RESOLUTION 25-0068 Derek Anderson made a motion for a TYPE II
SEQR which was seconded by Mark Giardina.
VOTE:
Mr. Casciani AYE
Mr. Malta AYE
Mr. Giardina AYE
Mr. Anderson AYE
Mr. Kosel AYE
Mrs. Maltman ABSENT
Mr. Gasic AYE
Thank you.
All right. We haven't done. That was just that.
That was for the SEQR, state environmental quality review. Now they're going to vote on
your approval.
didn't I was looking down at the paperwork here. But don't run away yet, okay? Uh.
Uh, Okay. Look, I got a sheet of it right here. Motion for for an accessory. Building for the state of the
address to the 1759 Ridge Road. Yeah, uh, we'll base it on the town code. The accessory building is
defined, permitted onc lot, and placement shall not. It shall conform to all the setback requirements which
is done. Applicable. To other buildings in the district. No such building should place nearer to the front of
the property. He's in conformance with thal. It’s to the rear.
John Kosel Um, no, that's what he needs to know. So he needs a variance for isn't it?
Well, that's a side sctback.
And would that be the height? Hold that. No such buildings larger than 25% of the
square footage of the main building, or 2% of the lot size. It conforms to that, uh, where the accessory
building is more than 500ft®. He had appears before the planning board. He has done that. And the main
accessory or the accessory building should not be higher than the main structure. In this case, it is a
couple feet higher. The applicant will need to get a variance so you conform with everything else. Excuse
me. This is for personal use only. Yeah, not for rental or anything like that. Power to the butlding?
Yes, there will be power.
Probably have electric in there if you want to have lights and what.
Yeah.
Okay. Uh. Heating it? No?
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Um, probably. Yeah.
Okay. So that's that's discretionary, I guess. Um, anything else we need to put in there?
I think that should do it, shouldn't it?
John Kose!: Significant construction?
the cost of the building. Okay, we've got all that information. All right. Yeah. All
right, So, uh, significant construction to commence within one year from this date, which is, what,
September 2nd, 25? It'll be
26. And there shall be no permit issued until the applicant oblains a variance
for the project. Okay?
Okay.
That's a motion, You need a second
second
and a second. I'll call the roll.
Okay. We're good, all right. We're good, I guess. Yeah, you can go. Thank you. You
know, what you want to do is make sure you you you probably schedule for variance. Correct? Yes.
Okay, So you get your variance and then you're all set.
Okay. The next one.
RESOLUTION 25-0069 Anthony Casciani made a motion for
PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN APPROVAL
Located at 1759 Ridge Road. Applicant John Hayes
is requesting PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN
APPROVAL (
PUBLIC HEARING
) associated
with the construction of a 768 SF pole bam ona0.57-
acre lot having SBL# 081.01-1-20 located in the LL
Large-Lot District under Sections 269-10, 350-13
and 350-36 of the Code of the Town of Webster. .
Which was seconded by Mark Giardina.
PRELIMINARY APPROVAL CHECKLIST
1. Subject to PRC Comments
Subject to a Letter of Credit posted with the Town of Webster.
Subject to Conservation Board comments
Subject to Monroc County Water Authority comments
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5. Subject to the determination of the ZBA for requested variances.
6. Address any land to be conveyed to the Town.
7. Address any recent subdivision approvals of adjacent lands.
8. All the improvements shall be constructed according to the specification of the Town of Webster.
9. Allroadway construction to be in accordance with the specification and regulations set forth by the
Town of Webster.
10. All sitework is to be in compliance with the standards of the Town of Webster.
11. Preserve all mature trees on site, where possible, and mark said trees by the developer’s engineer
prior to the commencing of any site work.
12. Comply with all requirements of any Federai, State, County, or Town agency.
13. Address drainage, lighting, signage, and landscaping, buffering, berming and snow storage.
14. The landscape, hardscape, site accessories, and associated finished grading design for the
development must be prepared by a NYS licensed Landscape Architect, The final landscape plans
shall bear the seal and signature of the Landscape Architect.
15. Approvals are subject to Drawing No: —s«é@Dated:
16. Proceed to Final Approval
VOTE:
Mr. Casciani AYE
Mr. Malta AYE
Mr. Giardina AYE
Mr. Anderson AYE
Mr. Kosel AYE
Mrs. Maltman ABSENT
Mr. Gasic AYE
RESOLUTION 25-0070 Anthony Casciani made a motion for FINAL SITE
PLAN APPROVAL Located at 1759 Ridge Road.
Applicant John Hayes is requesting FINAL SITE
PLAN APPROVAL (
PUBLIC HEARING
)
associated with the construction of a 768 SF pole
bam on a 0.57-acre lot having SBL# 081.01-1-20
located in the LL Large-Lot District under Sections
269-10, 350-13 and 350-36 of the Code of the Town
of Webster. Which was seconded by Mark Giardina.
FINAL APPROVAL CHECKLIST
Subject to PRC comments.
Subject to Parks and Recreation fees (if applicable)
Subject to Prelimimary Approval Conditions.
Subject to all applicable governmental fees.
Subject to Department of Public Works approval
Significant construction shall occur within one year, as deemed by the Planning Board, to expire
on 9,2.26
The conditions of Preliminary and Final approval are depicted on the cover page of the final
designed plans.
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8. The Engincer for the proposed project shall provide a Letter of Certification that all proposed
work was completed, as per Planning Board resolution of final approval before a Certificate of
Occupancy will be issued.
9. A Letter of Credit to the Town for the project shalt include the fee for the Engineer’s final
certification inspection of the site.
10. No permits will be issued until an area variance is obtained by the Zoning Board of Appeals.
11. Approvals are subject to Drawing No: Dated:
VOTE:
Mr. Casciani AYE
Mr. Malta AYE
Mr. Giardina AYE
Mr. Anderson AYE
Mr. Kosel AYE
Mrs. Maltman ABSENT
Mr. Gasic AYE
Located at 765 Ridge Road. Applicant Robert Sanders is
requesting SKETCH PLAN REVIEW associated with the construction ofa 1,200 SF building
addition, expansion of existing parking lot and improvements to existing storm sewer system on
a 3.1- acre lot having SBL# 079.17-1-22 located in the MC Medium Commercial District under
Sections 269-5 and 350-18 of the Code of the Town of Webster.
Appearing before the board is Ryan Destro from BME Associates.
Good evening. I'm Ryan Destro from BME associates. I'mhere on behalf of the applicant,
Mitsubishi. Webster. Um, as mentioned, we arc here for sketch plan application for Vision Mitsubishi
Webster. Located at 765 Ridge Road. This proposal is for a 1,200 square foot building addition and this is
for a proposed vehicle entry to the dealership’s service department and its located on the cast side of the
cxisting structure.
This proposal also includes. An expansion of the existing asphalt parking lot and improvements to the
existing onsite storm sewers. Just to give a quick brief overview of the property. The total area of the
subject parcel is 3.3 acres in size. It's located along the south side of Ridge Road to the cast of the existing
Vision Hyundai dealership for reference. The parce! contains two zoning districts, one being the MC
Medium Intensity Commercial district that's located in the northern or front portion of the parcel, and then
it also contains the LMR Low Medium Residential District, and that is located in the southem or rear
portion of the parcel.
We did reccive comments from both the town PRC, as well as the Monroe County Department of
Planning and Development on August 27th. All the comments appear to be minor in nature to this point,
and will be addressed in the subsequent planned submittals. One town PRC comment that we'd like to
highlight. It was acknowledged that the commercial parking extended into the Low Medium Residential
district area on the parcel at the southern end of the parcel. After discussion with the applicant.
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The proposed pavement wili be removed from the LMR zoning district. Therefore, a use variance for the
commercial parking area in the LMR zoning district will not be required with this application. With
regards to utilities, no new connections to the public utilities are proposed or necessary with this
application. With regards to stormwater management. This. The proposed soil disturbance will be
designed and updated to be under 25 ,000ft*.
Therefore, New York State DEC Speedy's general permit coverage for discharges from construction
activity is not required, nor are any post construction stormwater management facilitics required for the
New York State DEC Stormwater Management Design Manual and the SWPPP will also not be required
per the Town Code requirements. With that being said, we arc here for the Planning Board's feedback on
this application as we move forward with this project. And with that, I'm happy to answer any of your
questions.
Yeah. You're in. You're obviously going to need a variance, but, um, I pulled in there
tonight and I'll tell you what this is like putting 15 lbs in a 5lbs bag. The additional parking in the back. J
really don't know where that line is there, but that's. Certainly the edge of the wetland area. My feeling on
this. We did this with with the other project. Josh, remember a few about a year or so ago? They actually
have a site visit there. A few people just go take a look at this thing, because I'm looking at this piece of
paper and I'm seeing it pretty drying, but in reality, not what's there, not even close. There's cars all over
the damn place in the back there. Looks like a mess in the place. Right next door is a disaster zone.
The gentlemen earlier was talking about the lady was talking about a junkyard. That's what this is in the
back, Um. Another thing. Uh, the cars are parked out by the road. They're not supposed to be there. This
is getting to be a real pain in the butt with, uh, with the car dealers. Um, I don’t know how it's got to get
enforced. They're unloading right in the middle of the road. This is one of them is doing it. Two last
week, I think it was a truck parked right in the middic of Ridge Road unloading the bring cart. That's
baloney. I'm sorry.
Right.
Um, you gotta you guys gotta come up with something new and different. The
property just to the west of you there. That that's part of the problem also somehow. I don't know if we
mentioned this at PRC if if there could be a roadway connecting the two together, a circle or like a U-
shape in and out where trucks can come in. Every dealer that's been in, we've requested where can you
unload on your site? Not on the road.
So I think that's going to be one of the prime things that maybe having to get looked at for this project, uh,
buffering on the side. Um, I saw the drawing. I don't remember what it was now, but it's tight on the side.
What's the sideline supposed to be on there? 15 foot.
The side setback requirement is 20 foot.
Is it 20 foot?
Yes.
In that area okay. And I don't know if there's any 20 foot and that cast side.
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Tony, it sounds like we would want the applicant to actually hear some of those concerns
that you're mentioning as part of this application, especially because they're looking to upgrade this
facility. We would want to have that discussion with the actual applicant. [ feel like a lot of the comments
that we're making to the engineer record are also supposed to be directed directly at the applicant that is
looking to do this.
Well, we've donc this in the past and yeah, we can, but this is our first visit right now.
I'm just giving him the keys. He can take it back. It's up to them how you want to handle this now? You
know, I'm suggesting that a couple of board members and town staff. We've donc this in the past. Go over
and look at the. Because I'm looking at this. And if you drive in there, it doesn't look like that, you know.
The back looks. Whereas in the back section there where you're showing future parking, is that where
there's gravel bcen put in there right now.
So as I mentioned carlicr in my presentation, that parking in the rear is going to be removed
with the subsequent application. So we are not going to be encroaching into the LMR zoning district. The
existing pavement limits will remain as they are and the rear of the parcel, so a variance will not be
required with this application.
Yeah, that's you see,
something definitely has to be done with the loading and unloading on Ridge Road, instead
of the property. Like you said it goes for every one of them. 1 don’t know what we have to do to get you
guys to comply, but it’s a terrible hazard. I’m up and down Ridge Road all the time.
Well, right now, if youif you drive down every dealer down there has cars parked on
the grass. Out by the by the road. They wouldn't even think of doing that in the past. So somehow that's
got to get tightened up. Yeah. And this is the time where you do it right here.
Ycah.
I stopped. The guy asked what I was doing. I drove around the back. ] told her I was
just going in because you were coming in this evening from the planning board, I says. Uh, I'll tell you
right now, those cars you've got out there, you've got to be moving. Oh, I'll move them right now. Well,
you know, they shouldn't be there. You know they're not supposed to be. Why the heck you got them
there? Sec? Yeah. They just keep pushing buttons on this stuff. Anyways, that's enough complaining. Um.
Can't the code enforcers, uh, help with this? Uh, the cars on the grass out front?
Yeah. Yes.
Yes, Unfortunately, we have a lot more, there's a lot of pressing issucs and only one code
enforcement officer for the whole town. So although we'd like to enforce this more, we do have limited
staff.
Well, when somebody gets killed. And] wonder how unlimited or limited were going to be
because one day somcbody’s going to drive in the back of one of these car carriers.
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All right. Anything else?
I think just one of the engineering questions I had for you. So since you're pulling that rear
lot back in, you're not putting silt fence up against that wetland anymore. Are you bringing that in as
well?
Correct. The disturbance limits will be pulled back and then the fence will be brought back
accordingly as weil.
Is that wetland line that you're showing there? Is that the 100 foot buffer?
Yes.
Or is that the actual edge of the wetland? And there should be another 100 foot buffer off
of that.
No. Um. The print, it might, might be fine in the, on the orsmall on the, the plans that were
submitted. But the line closest to the rear of the parking is the 100 foot adjacent rear.
Okay just wanted to make sure.
Yeah. 100 foot from the rear property line there.
Thank you.
Um, okay. Uh, anybody here wish. You know, this isn't a public hearing. I know Pat's
been there forever. He lives in the back of that.
You would bear with me for a few minutes.
I mean, just make it quick. Go ahead. No, no. We'll make it quick for you.
Um. Uh, my name is Patrick Matrinoniano. | live at 746 Eastwood Circle for the
last
50. Plus. Years. Uh, almost as long as Tony, uh. Been around here. Um, I'd. Liketo. Say a few things.
And 1 know you've had. A iong night, and I hope you bear with me for the sake of some of our new
residents who've just moved in on our street and don't know the history from from what has transpired on
this LMR zone. Uh, and also for some of you new board members who may not have been here 40 years
ago and know what has transpired, but basically approximately 40 ycars ago, the LMR zone that's there
was an hour three residential zone.
Uh. A. Uh, insurance agent on Ridge Road tried to put in a project that was way too dense, 50ft from my
lot line, three storeys tall. And 1 think Tony was the first onc that said this is way too much. Well, we as
neighbors realized that there's probably not going to be in R-3, uh, residential property put in this LMR
ever. It just was a little too narrow for a two sided strect. So we decided to work with the town with some
of the property owners from Ridge Road, some potential developers to create something that would work
for everybody.
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All right. We had, uh, Jim Carlavatey, who was the town councilman, He came down on a weekend and
he walked the properties with us, and he went on a he went on my back porch with all of us residents
from Eastwood and Westwood listen to our concerns. And he right there drew up the specifications for
the LMR zone. The size of the building, the maximum, the density, height, everything. Uh, also with
some wooded area, For us, our concern was to keep the residential, uh, residential aspect of our strects
because every one of the businesses from Ridge Road was trying to move back right to our lot line and
build, you know, more car dealers and more things that would that would, uh, you know, change that
complete residential, uh, character of our community where we live.
Well, anyway, the town board adopted it, and ever since they adopted the LMR Zone, this has worked
perfectly for the residents on Eastwood and Westwood. The commercial ventures on Ridge Road be able
to build, to use their property the way they want. And also the LMR Ourzone. We've had three successful
multifamily projects come in there that have done a great job to insulate us from the sights and sounds of
Ridge Road.
It's done a great job for us and we want to continuc that aspect. But about every 3,4 or 5 ycars, onc of the
car dealers comes in and I hear you say that you've rescinded. | guess I heard it correctly, that he's
rescinded the fact that he wants to move into the LMR at all. Okay, I'mnot sure that's correct or not, but,
uh, we've got to maintain that LMR the way it is and not allow them to move into that zone.
Uh, so far there's been a number of times I think vision was in once before for that. Peter Specksgoor
Gunn was in there once before to do that, to move into it. Each and every time the zoning board or the
planning board has decided to honor the decisions that the original Town Board made, and that the
subsequent boards made in protecting us and keeping that LMR strictly residential and noi allowing any
commercialization into that zone whatsoever.
It has worked very well. I think the town liked the fact that we worked with them and worked with the
business people, so hopefully you can do the same thing. Honor their commitment. Not necessarily
tonight or but in the future. Uh, and, uh, residents here can know what also happened back then. Uh, so
it's worked well. And I want to thank you for your time. And unless you have a question for me, I'll get
out of your way.
Alright, Thank you. I think you pretty much addressed it all, Pat. Thank you.
Thank you very much.
I think I think you pretty much hit it on the line there. That's. I'm going to go back.
And I don't know how you're going to do this, but somehow they cannot be parked on the road unloading.
So you need to communicate that to whocver owns this business.
We've had in the past them show.
What’s that?
In the past we've requested that they show on the plan the.
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Yeah, absolutely.
The loading area. Right, And with this type of thing, it should be repeated on here.
Well, that's what I'm suggesting. Join in with next door because they make a you cut
right through make a you a horseshoe. Come in one side and out the other side I don’t know.
So just general discussion. Yeah I know all these projects have been in the past subject
to addressing the loading and unloading and the properties. And if this practice has been continuing and
we've even had previous dealers come in and say, oh, we don't have a control of it, that's just a driver on
it, This practice keeps continuing. All of these things have been issued a special use permit for use in this
area. All of their approvals are subject to making sure that the trucks and so forth unload off of the
property. It keeps happening, Do we have to send a notification to them saying that they're in violation of
their approvals and their approvals are rescinded? Because they’re not conforming to the approvals.
Right. Yeah.
For the special use permit and also for the approval of lots. And here's another one thats
coming in. And there's really with this canopy on their 25 foot. Do a zig zag getting your your car carrier
to get around thai to a place in the back.
The car carricrs don't even go on the property.
So you know as soonas you force them on that, Right. So right. This parcel itself is not
even conducive to putting on a way for the cars to unload.
Was it wasn't vision. Vision, Nissan recently. And they decided they're unloading their cars at
a rental property somewhere clse.
Yeah, over a basket road.
Down the road. That was their solution to it. Yeah. Like you said, I have seen it, but
actually it was better for a while, But recently 1 saw that truck in the middle of the road twice.
On that site? Really? There you go.
You know, not just on the side of the road, but really dead center in the street in the middle
of the park, between the parking, no parking signs in front of the facility.
Where they run them over. Yeah. Um, but it seems that we've been having this
discussion now for.
Forever.
For years and ycars. And it's, you know, time to take action on it. You know, we we
can't approve this unti! we get some kind of guarantee or some, some way to make sure.
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Like Josh said.
And it seems to me the way that you do it as an.
We've got one code enforcement officer in town, and there's more stuff goes on. Right.
This is one of the minor ones relative to the major ones. You know, on the other hand. Would it do any
good? I'm just thinking here. Would it do any good to issue a letter to all the car dealers?
Hey, Tony.
Ycs.
Um, I just want to clarify. Does the board have any questions or comments or concerns
regarding the additions to the building so that we can note it as part of this application that's in front of us
today? I know that the the parking of the trucks and unloading is an issue that has becn discussed many
times. 1 will make sure to put it in. Um, but in terms of what's on the agenda, docs the board have
comments or concerns for what is being presented in terms of an addition.
If you're asking me, my answer would be maybe because it depends on what we're
going to do with the rest of the project. They can show it again if they come in fora preliminary or come
in with a reapplication. But they need to show some of the things we're asking for on there and if they
conform. And I think if the board is satisfied, we can move forward. Otherwise, why the hell are we
putting an addition on a building that's already squished in there? You know what | mean?
I mean, it's as simple as when we're looking at snow storage areas. This is show me truck
turning in the back that a 18 Wheeler can get back there, a specific vehicle that is meant for transporting
these vehicles. And if it can fit on the site and it can tum around, then I know that you can't unload on site
and if you're unloading on site, indicate the designated unloading arca with the vehicle turning going into
that area.
Thank you.
I can tell you from personal experience, | had to drive off the road because. Excuse me,
they were unloading cars and as far as 1 went off the road. If you know how Ridge Road is, it's slants.
And, uh, [ was somewhat concerned. Even though I had control of my own car. | was concerncd that I
was going to slide down the hill there. And because of it, those trucks are huge. Even if you go around
them, you're still very close to them.
See, in this case, Frika, again, with the size of the addition they're putting on their, um,
30 foot. That's a big piece of an addition on the back of the other. The existing building is probably. What
is it, about 45, 50ft or something? Not cven. It's it's a large piece of that overall site, And the way they're
showing the, the bypass to get around there, that may bea spot where they have to come in with a truck or
something to negotiate. Turning, | don't know.
We definitely would want to sec that in a plan. How's the truck coming in? They're already
getting oul again.
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One of the one of the PRC comments also addresses the concem of vehicles parking in, in
the bump out around the proposed addition. So we would. Require. That it be marked as a fire lane
because you can't. It has to be accessible 24/7. Can't park cars there.
Yeah. And we know how accurate that will stay too.
Um all right, all right. So let's let's boil this thing down. What are we locking for?
We're looking for eliminating going any further to the south. Correct. Going into past the buffer line there
or the the zoning line, um, Showing how they could park cars inside and out. No definite side with the
side setback on the on the on the east side there is your pavement. It looks like it's right on the edge of the
blacktop, isn't it?
Yeah. I wasn't able to determine the proposed setback on this particular.
It looks awfully tight. 1 think that clarified these would be the notes we would be
wanting to take down to.
The proposed setback for the building addition is 32ft from the eastern property line.
But we're referring.
To the building, but I'm referring to the just where the cars are parked.
The edge of pavement. Edge of the property line.
So it looks like edge of pavement is right, right, right to the lot line.
Right. I'm pretty sure that from line to line, 20 Foot buffer green space is required.
Yeah. Let's sec. That's that's where the stuff gets away. We've got to get this. I think I
think I need to look at this thing engineering wise and bring it into conformance for a review. Bottom
line. It’s a small. What the heck? Isn't that what? It's only what 151 ft. Got houses with bigger lots than
that. And we're putting anyways. I don't want to belabor it. | think you need to come up with something
on that thing to modify it, to make it accommodate truck traffic. You know, unloading on the site, no
parking out by the road and climinating going back beyond the rear, uh, zoning linc. Those would be the
three main things insidc. Sctbacks to be shown. Okay.
Did you have any. Comments or concerns on the proposed, uh, elevation drawings for the
the building.
For the addition?
Well, it looks like they're going to be refacing the whole thing.
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No, that's an improvement. [, I don't find an issue with that. That's cleaning it up,
making it a nicer appearance. But that's a really cute picture though isn't il.
I guess the question is is any of it being lit extra more than what is currently? Is the whole
Mitsubishi Motors, the whole vertical strip on top going to be lit up at night, or is it just certain portions
of that facade going to be lit continuously?
Somcthing shows a total Sighting package.
Because it looks like they're also proposing to have thal red lighting around the entrance
door. So you're going to have red lighting at night there, too.
We did just receive, I think, earlier today, a signed package application for this project. Um,
so we'll we'll make sure to get that those details fleshed. Out before. Next meeting.
All right. I don't know what else are we going to do here tonight with it. So I think
those few comments, we we're not taking them down. They'll be in the tape. | guess it's the best we can
do. I've brought them up a couple times, so
yeah, we've jotted them down.
Okay. All right. I guess that's all we're going to do this evening.
Excellent. Thank you for your input. We appreciate it.
We need to table it to the next meeting,
I'm sorry.
Sketch plan.
This is a sketch plan?
Yeah, it was just sketch plan. Yeah. All right. Um, Mark, what do we got? Next one 1s
INAUDIBLE..
(Mark Giardina read fourth application)
Located at 512 Lake Road. Applicant Jay Palmero is requesting PRELIMINARY /
FINAL SITE PLAN APPROVAL (
PUBLIC HEARING
) associated with the construction of
a 672 SF 2-car garage on a 0.49-acre lot having SBL# 048.19-1-82.1 located in the R-1 Single-
Family District under Sections 269-10, 350-10 and 350-36 of the Code of the Town of Webster.
Appearing before the board was Jay Palermo, owner of JC Concepts.
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Good evening. Board. My name is Jay Palermo. I'm the owner of JC concepts. I'm here on
behalf of my client, Kate McCurdy. Uh, we're proposing to a remove an existing structure thal is 14 x
24. Currently, for size, we want to expand out 10-feet to the east clevation and go another 4-fect to the north,
The application is going to be a viny] sided pole barn style construction, so no steel siding. It's going to
actually have asphalt shingles to match the existing roof structure of the house.
Uh, it is a 24 x 28, 10- foot tall pole bam that has a 4 x 12 truss on it coming in at 14-foot. Uh, average off
average grade for elevation height, which is 4-fect lower than the current house. Uh, at 18ft off average
grade all the way around the existing property, The reason that we need this, uh, this approval is because
it's on the back yard of the house, because of the lake view of the house. It's one of those situations.
Uh, so my client hasa electric vehicle that she wants to be able to keep inside, along with some other
family effects and another truck and obviously electric vehicles, we like to keep them under roof. So we
will be doing a sub panel that is currently in the space. We're going to be decommissioning it during
construction and we'll bring that conduit back in. It's going to be an uninsulated, uh, unconditioned space
with one man dooron the west clevation and one overhead door on the south elevation, with ap propriate
coach lights on each opening and no overhead spotlights that are going to affect any neighbors views. It's
going to have a concrete floor as well.
I was looking at that. How come you didn't move it closer to the house? Just move it
back so you wouldn't have to walk so far.
I'd like to be. Oh, sorry.
Hi. Kate McCurdy, 512, Lake Road. Um, I. Didn't really. Want it closer to the. House. |
like it.
1. Like it where itis. I don't mind walking. And my, um, future husband docs not mind shoveling.
So. I'm good with it.
Can I ask you a question? How long have you lived there?
] moved in about. A ycar and a half ago.
Oh. You're new.
Yeah. I'm new.
] used to play there when I was a kid.
Oh, really? Yeah, The house has been around for a while.
I'll bring that over. Yeah. Yeah, that was Harold Burrows. Burl Ives used to own that
years ago.
Oh, nice.
Yeah, it was a nice spot,
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I love it. Very happy. There.
I understand what you're doing.
So, did you shovel it back in the day? And that's what you want it closer or.
Um,
We got money for it.
Yeah. What you're looking for, as far as. | guess you got to get a variance for it, right?
Yes.
yes, So. But there's a lot of them. That's the way they all were back on the lake. Along
that lake road there. Uh.
One question that does come up again, because this aerial photography is dated 2025,
and the survey map that we have is dated 2010, There appears to be three buildings on this parcel. What It
was. The building was behind the existing garage.
There's a freestanding shed that’s currently there that my client is willing to forego because I
know there is restrictions to, uh, multiple dwellings or multiple outbuildings on a property. Uh, that is
something that we are prepared to, as a condition of our approvals, remove and eliminate before any final
C of C is permitted.
You would like to also add two. There was a previous application, uh, last owner of a
expansion ofa carport to the said property. Uh, there's current footers in the ground. Uh, and it's actually
going to be in the lot within the footprint of what we're proposing. So they just never built that carport off
the existing garage. But that was originally proposed as a 24x
24. We're going to go 24 x
28. Uh, we're
just reducing our impact of size. It's going to match the clap siding of the house.
The current house is cedar clapboard. It's going to have a vinyl clapboard. Going on is a color match. And
then eventually we're going to be doing the siding on the house as well down the road. But now we have
our color palette all matching the neighborhood, all horizontal substrate, no vertical,
So basically the building is going to pretty much match the house.
Yes. Correct.
I guess going back this would be a second accessory building on the site. And they
indicated that it would take off the other one.
Yes.
Yeah. Yeah. Take them onc. You'd be taking the one down.
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There would be something we do as part of the. Yeah.
The web tech shed will be removed and then the existing building will be torn down. And
then the new building will be built in that place.
Okay. Anybody any questions? It's.
No, I think it's pretty simple. Pretty simple. It's, uh. It's decent. It's good looking, so.
Yeah, just condition on it. All right,
Yours is your colors or something clsc.
What's that?
I said they have a brown door, but it looks like a green siding. And you have blue and gray.
Which? Which one is it?
So the.
It's the angle. Of the screen that. You're looking at.
Is it the TV screen?
I think it's the angle of the screen that you're. Looking, At. It's kind of he turns the screen
towards you. You'll see the. Green. On. The. Side or. Side. Yeah. That's what. I'm. Deciding as a white or
green color calicd spring Meadow. Our trim and our comers are going to be sand drift. And then we're
going to be doing it. Owens Coming driftwood shingle on the roof to match existing.
Okay.
It is a green greenish gray. That's the. Color.
Because I'm looking and I'm seeing two different colors. So unless I'm losing my mind,
there's, you know.
Obviously, we've had a long night.
It's a long night. Oh. Yeah. My gosh. Um, okay. Um, this is a public forum, isn't it?
Yes, Yeah. It is. I don't know if there's anybody you're wishing to speak for if you want to complain about
it. ] don't think so. Okay. Um. All right. We'll close the public hearing, bring it back up. Anybody any
concerns? No. No, no. Pretty simple little operation. Um, we can approve it, but then it's. We'll have to
put it in there and make it subject to, uh, uh, getting getting a variance from the zoning board to do.
The SEQR.
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Yeah. Go ahead. Do it. Yeah.
Town planning board, consider a request by Jay Palermo to replace an existing garage
with a 672 square foot, two car garage and a 0.49 acre parcel having SBL number 048.191 -82-1. The
Planning Board classifies the a proposed action is a type two action under section 617.5 C2, the State
Environmental Quality Review Regulations and therefore is not subject to further review.
RESOLUTION 25-0071 Derek Anderson made a motion for a TYPE II
SEQR which was seconded by John Kosel.
VOTE:
Mr. Casciani AYE
Mr. Malta AYE
Mr. Giardina AYE
Mr. Anderson AYE
Mr. Kosel AYE
Mrs. Maltman ABSENT
Mr. Gasic AYE
And second.
All in favor?
All right. Anyone opposed to do that? Okay, we've gone through that. Let's, um. All
right.
I'll make a motion for preliminary approval. Accessory building for 512 Lake Road. Lot is
restricted to one accessory building. So one of the three, what did you call it was a shed.
The woodtech shed? Yes, sir.
That would have to be removed. Uh, building has to conform with the size and location
presented on the plan. Placement of the building shall conform to all setback requirements. Um, no point
in the building will be higher than the existing structure. No commercial use shall occur in the parcel.
Accessory buildings shall be used for personal usc only, as defined by town code. Significant construction
shall occur within onc year is deemed by the Planning Board to expire on September 2nd, 2026. Comply
with all requirements of any state, county and town agency. Also work to be in compliance with the
standards of the Town of Webster. Subject to all engineering government approvals, so do all appropriate
government fees, if any. Subject to resolution of final improvements.
That’s your motion, I need a second.
Second.
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Allin favor? All right. All right. Okay, What you do. If you do, a final really should
do a final.
Everything I just said.
Make it subject to all preliminary conditions.
Okay that’s your motion. I need a second.
Second.
All in favor?
Ayc.
You're all set.
Awesome. Thank you. Appreciate it.
RESOLUTION 25-0071 Dave Malta made a motion for PRELIMINARY
SITE PLAN APPROVAL Located at 512 Lake
Road. Applicant Jay Palmero is requesting
PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN APPROVAL
(
PUBLIC HEARING
) associated with the
construction of a 672 SF 2-car garage on a 0.49-acre
lot having SBL# 048.19-1-82.1 located in the R-]
Single-Family District under Sections 269-10, 350-
10 and 350-36 of the Code of the Town of Webster.
PRELIMINARY APPROVAL CHECKLIST
10.
11.
12.
13. Subject to PRC Comments
Subject to a Letter of Credit posted with the Town of Webster.
Subject to Conservation Board comments
Subject to Monroe County Water Authority comments
Subject to the determination of the ZBA for requested variances.
Address any land to be conveyed to the Town.
Address any recent subdivision approvals of adjacent lands.
All the improvements shall be constructed according to the specification of the Town of Webster.
All roadway construction to be in accordance with the specification and regulations set forth by the
Town of Webster.
All sitework is to be in compliance with the standards of the Town of Webster.
Preserve all mature trees on site, where possible, and mark said trees by the developer’s engincer
prior to the commencing of any site work,
Comply with all requirements of any Federal, State, County, or Town agency.
Address drainage, lighting, signage, and landscaping, buffering, berming and snow storage.
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14. The landscape, hardscape, site accessories, and associated finished grading design for the
development must be prepared by a NYS licensed Landscape Architect. The final landscape plans
shall bear the seal and signature of the Landscape Architect.
15. Approvals are subject to Drawing No: Dated:
16. Proceed to Final Approval
VOTE:
Mr. Casciani AYE
Mr. Malta AYE
Mr. Giardina AYE
Mr. Anderson AYE
Mr. Kosel AYE
Mrs. Maltman ABSENT
Mr. Gasic AYE
RESOLUTION 25-0072 Dave Malta made a motion for FINAL SITE
PLAN APPROVAL Located at 512 Lake Road.
Applicant Jay Palmero is requesting FINAL SITE
PLAN APPROVAL (
PUBLIC HEARING
)
associated with the construction of a 672 SF 2-car
garage on a 0.49-acre lot having SBL# 048.19-1-
82.1 located in the R-1 Single-Family District under
Sections 269-10, 350-10 and 350-36 of the Code of
the Town of Webster.
FINAL APPROVAL CHECKLIST
Subject to PRC comments.
Subject to Parks and Recreation fees (if applicable)
Subject to Preliminary Approval Conditions.
Subject to all applicable governmental feces.
Subject to Department of Public Works approval
Significant construction shall occur within onc year, as deemed by the Planning Board, io expire
on 9.2.26
7. The conditions of Preliminary and Final approval are depicted on the cover page of the final
designed plans.
8. The Engineer for the proposed project shall provide a Letter of Certification that all proposed
work was compicted, as per Planning Board resolution of final approval before a Certificate of
Occupancy will be issued.
9. A Letter of Credit io the Town for the project shall include the fee for the Enginecer’s final
certification inspection of the site.
10. Approvals are subject to Drawing No: Dated:
an awWNo
VOTE:
Mr. Casciami AYE
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Mr. Malta AYE
Mr. Giardina AYE
Mr. Anderson AYE
Mr. Kosel AYE
Mrs. Maltman ABSENT
Mr. Gasic AYE
(Mark Giardina read fifth application)
Located at 369 Phillips Road. Applicant Connor Ewing of Elevated Sign
Solutions is requesting SIGN APPROVAL associated with the replacement of existing facade and
monument signs (30 SF facade sign and 21.5 SF monument sign) for the Care A Lot child care facility
on a2.3-acre parcel having SBL # 050.03-2-23.1 located in an R-3 Single Family Residential District
under Section 265-7 of the Code of the Town of Webster.
applicant did not show up for meeting.
And there is anybody here for the application. Um, Josh, you said the sign is already up.
Yes. It was brought to our attention. The sign was installed already? Um, I've had several
conversations with this particular sign applicant. They assured me they were going to be here tonight and
unfortunately, it looks like they're not.
Okay. So what we can do then is just give them a letter saying that we feel that the, the
there's a it's a backlit saint so the weight is glaring white.
Yes.
And so that the same will need to conform to what the code is prior to their applicant,
you know, reapplying.
Yeah. They were, they were counseled numerous times.
Yeah. They let them change the sign. That's it. You need to put a number.
Take it down.
Well, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We'll you know what I'm saying, Dave.
The white on herc, ycah is all lit.
Similar to the Christian flooring sign that we're taking to the court for code enforcement as
well.
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Everything against our codec. Needs to come down.
Yep. Okay.
All right, so the suggestion of the board ts that issuc a letter?
Or you can deny it, However, however you want to handle it, we can follow up from a code
enforcement perspective.
Okay, | make a motion. We deny the application for Caroline saying as proposed,
because it's number one, it's not conforming to what the town code is. And the applicant has already put the
sign up prior to any approvals,
and that. We were on Here for. Sign. Approval. Tonight. And the applicant has failed to
appear at this hearing.
I'll second that.
Okay. Have a motion. Have a second. All in favor?
Aye.
All right. Okay. That's it then. That's it for tonight. Right. Yep.
Well, there's. No meeting minutes here, so I don't know what to tell you. What are we doing?
RESOLUTION 25-0073 Anthony Casciani made a motion to DENY
the CARE A LOT SIGN Located at 369 Phillips
Road which was seconded by Mark Giargina.
VOTE:
Mr. Casciani AYE
Mr. Malta AYE
Mr. Giardina AYE
Mr. Anderson AYE
Mr. Kosel AYE
Mrs. Maltman ABSENT
Mr. Gasic AYE
ADMINISTRATIVE ITEM:
e =Planning Board mecling minutes for August 5, 2025 ( ) were approved.
e With no other applications before the Board this evening Anthony Casciani
concluded tonight’s meeting at =PM.
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Respectfully Submitted,
Signed
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Mark Giardina, Secretary
JAN 8°26 6M11:49
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