captions Language: en everybody in attendance tonight and for all those watching at home to the uh September 28 2023 uh Tylenol Webster uh board Workshop um we have a few agenda items tonight um but before we get going I just wanted to say that the Webster Community a sad week for the Webster Community we lost Kathy Thomas who was the talent supervisor in the mid to 90s to early 2000s and also was the town clerk for about a dozen years prior to that it's not often that somebody gives 25 years of service to one organization and uh um so I just hope everybody as her family goes through this please keep her and her family in your prayers and there will be more information I think coming um about celebrations of her life and things of that nature so um well the first item is uh a resolution actually uh this is what I call this the John Cahill Bill uh John you remember three years ago you kind of spearheaded the the lawn mowing uh bid process to see if we could save some money and I think we saved some significant money back then we sure did time flies that was a three year contract yeah so we're back at it here we go so I just want to add that this may be the John Cahill bill at this point but this was first spearheaded by a former board member Randy Nelson get out of here yes no I did not know that yeah Brandy really spearheaded this initiative and I'm happy to see that it's carrying forth and that John has picked up the mantle of that all right John do you want to read this since it's uh uh I make a motion to approve the solicitation of bids for the town of Webster Park slash land Boeing for 2024-2026 term to be advertised in the Webster Heralds Wednesday October 4th edition second supervisor Clarity aye McCain aye councilman aye okay the next item up tonight is actually a public hearing um and it's to consider enacting local law number two amending chapter 304 of the code of the town of Webster uh real property tax law section 4466-8 tax exemption for volunteer firefighters and volunteer it says ambulance workers but I'm going to say volunteer Emergency Medical Service workers um so I think it was two or three weeks ago Donna comar our assessor came in and gave a power a presentation uh on what this was all about we had last year uh enacted a local law or two years ago Dolly to give this exemption to the volunteers I think the state has made some changes to that so in essence we are looking at just uh for the most part continuing on with the spirit of giving the exemption status for volunteers but I guess Charlie shoehorning it into the new state law correct it's a layman term it expands it a bit yeah yeah so I think I think there were some spousal benefits as an expansion on that if yeah and domestic Partners right correct yes uh so for formality sakes I'm going to open the public hearing is there anybody that would like to take the podium to speak about this I'm not surprised it I don't think it's that controversial we should probably do it so I am going to close the public hearing and um so the board members have any comments questions on this no I do not Donna did a great job [Music] well we do have the the resolution in the folders um I don't see any problems with doing the motion and resolution ready to go um so I guess I don't want to bore everybody with the whole thing um this is the best way to do this is a to make a motion um for enacting local law number two amending chapter 304 of the code of the town of Webster taxation real property tax law section 466a for tax exemption for volunteer firefighters and volunteer EMS workers second I councilman aye councilman Abbott aye councilman Cahill aye and hopefully we can continue for the next 20 years to have people volunteer because is a challenge now uh typical uh Town board Workshop is presentations so we have two of them tonight um and we're ahead of schedule uh the first one is a presentation by Josh artuzzo the director of Community Development and Matt Chatfield the executive director of the Webster Economic Development Alliance and it's on the possible next steps and 600 Ridge Road the Old Webster Furniture stripper so I'm going to hand the Baton to Josh thanks supervisor so I'm just going to go over a brief history of a recent history of some Milestone events pertaining to 600 Ridge Road which is located at the northwest corner of Ridge and gravel so this this property the former Webster Furniture stripper site was abruptly closed in 2006 and essentially abandoned by its owner so approximately between 2009 and 2020 this property was offered for sale at the tax foreclosure auction there were no bidders and the county opted not to take title to the property each year so the property continually remains vacant and abandoned so in an effort to try and address this long problem property the town engaged with conversations with Monroe County and ultimately entered into an intermittent Municipal agreement that gave the town temporary control of the property for the purpose of environmental investigation so the town back last fall did utilize the County's engineering firm day engineering to perform the Environmental Testing approximately from November to January uh in April of this year we held a public information meeting at Spry Middle School to report the results of that phase two testing the results of which were inconclusive and called for additional testing so in June of this year we engaged with canaf Shaw LLP in a local environmental law firm to help us with exploring options and developing strategies for this property so over the past two months we've been working with kanaf Shaw as well as the EPA the New York State Department of Environmental Conservation as well as the Webster Economic Development Alliance to develop potential acquisition strategies and investigate liabilities associated with the property so as recent as two days ago the county resumed its tax foreclosure auction I believe for the first time since covid this property was once again offered for auction due to the delinquent taxes there were no bidders and the county did not take title of the property um now I just want to go over some brief highlights of a broader effort for this West Webster area that we've been working towards so back in July of 2021 the town was awarded ninety thousand dollars from the Genesee Transportation Council to complete a West Webster revitalization plan so we were finally able to get that initiative kicked off officially in March of 22 we formed a committee of area business owners and residents to help guide us in that process last December we also hired a a consulting firm to perform an income survey of the area and the results of that survey indicate that the area income does meet hardship status for a variety of Grant programs in January of this year Wida applied for approximately 1.8 million dollars in the Restore New York grant program to assist with Rehabilitation of certain vacant properties within the area and then in May of this year we were able to finalize the plan the revitalization plan document one of the primary recommendations uh really emphasized the need to address the four corners and this being one of them at 600 Ridge Road definitely identified as a top priority and I will be coming back to the board later this fall at a workshop to kind of discuss the contents of the plan the recommendations and pursuit of adoption and potential zoning changes that would help facilitate our vision for this area so with that I'm going to turn it over to Matt Chatfield the executive director of the Webster Economic Development Alliance and he's going to talk about some potential next steps and Milestone dates sure great thank you um actually can we keep it on this slide real quick I just want to add a little bit of color in between the lines from Josh's great summary here so part of what's setting up the discussion that we're about to have is the the county was actually the one that was given the temporary incidence of ownership and that was only like a 60-day time frame there was a very limited amount of time under which that incidence of temporary incidence of ownership for environmental investigations was able to be had and that ended in about in February so ultimately in order for for although further testing was required there was no time available to the town in the county to conduct further testing nor was there really funds or or access to the property so there was a time it was really a lot of a multitude of issues that prevented further investigations um which is why we're going to talk a little bit about options for local control here moving forward next slide please perfect great so we've had numerous discussions numerous as in we've probably met nearly a dozen times between April and today talking about what is the potential future path for 600 Ridge Road since the um acquiring the services of Kenosha we've had several meetings to talk about how do we gain local control and what are the processes for that in discussions with both Monroe County and the dec and recently we also had a board meeting with my board of directors which is the five members the supervisor of the town the mayor of the village the superintendent of the school district the president CEO of the chamber and the president of the bid the business Improvement District yes sorry Matt that's okay that board we described how Wida could ultimately potentially take title to the property through the town and then be the one to hold on to the property and then try and facilitate Rehabilitation and then transfer it to the private domain that is the ultimate goal the ultimate goal is to not have this be held in the public domain for any extensive period of time only to utilize the powers and benefits of either the municipality or the local Development Corporation Wida to obtain proper funding and access to resources specialized resources through the either the dec or the EPA to move forward with rehab and Remediation as needed um we've clearly been doing a lot in the past seven days here uh notice you know notice of this meeting there was a town board uh discussion that took place last week and I and I I know that we were putting these materials together at Breakneck speed today we did not last Thursday have an executive session a discussion on this perfect so well that was my mistake then so um the 26th which was two days ago County did not uh receive any solicitations any offers for the purchase of the property um We are continuing to discuss the potential sale of that property to the town of Webster for the sum of one dollar and parts of that discussion are how do we limit the potential liability of the town for doing so there's a couple actions and we do have uh Melissa Vale one of our attorneys here I'm not going to pretend to understand all the the legal jargon we will definitely query her on that but I do understand that the phase one report the phase one ESA would be a requirement to perform the proper due diligence and that offers you protections as a buyer um in the eyes of the federal government and the state government I believe um we also need to enter into an agreement we as in the town of Webster would and potentially weeda as a participant enter into an agreement a covenant not to Sue with DEC which provides further protections for any future remediation actions that would happen the town also needs to enter into a letter of intent with Monroe County and for that potential purchase or transfer of the property and that will need to go through the proper channels that needs to be introduced by the legal department to the legislature first and then goes for discussion amongst the legislature on the 10th would be the earliest date available 10th of October and then also the town board would need to declare itself lead agent towards that action as well the transfer the transfer of real property action so our hope is that by the 10th we could have a general consensus from the Monroe County Legislature that this is in fact what's in the best interest of the public moving forward um we do have a potential timeline um we have some troubles with the timeline we are currently identifying one particular Grant resource for the through the EPA that is the probably our best path forward to obtaining both investigation funding and Remediation funding all in one Grant um in Prior years the grant was due like November 21st until November 22nd we were hopeful that was the same timeline this year they moved it up a week on us and unfortunately the earliest date we could potentially potentially if all boards were in approval and all things went smoothly November 14th would be the earliest data transfer So currently we're off by a day from having title in the hands of the town to being able to apply for that Grant so our our hope is that we can talk with the EPA in particular maybe there's a paper trail of intentions good intentions on the part of the town and the county to go through with said transfer on the 14th one day after the Cranford applications are due um but that's really the the series of events as you can see it's uh the timing is tight for all of them right we're trying to do a lot of things and largely the majority of it the reason for the haste was so we would be eligible to apply for this particular Grant resource this calendar year so um and also the further that property remains in the public or in the private domain and that isn't maintained uh the the more difficult we are the more difficulty we're going to have in in really moving that property forward well we need local control and Matt the reality is is that until the Tuesday September 26th auction happened this is all a moot point you can't the county doesn't have the ability to not do the due process of a foreclosure auction we can talk with them about the concept of doing this before the 26th but that auction needed to take place absolutely and so that's really why the time frame is so different and up until the 26th that's all that did happen we couldn't begin it was discussions there was no there was really no exchange of no of any sort of paper right so so it's a tight time frame but if clearly I can answer any questions you may have but our legal counsel is here to answer any uh very particular questions just curious about the liability potential liability out of the town if you could give us some specifics that'd be great I would love to give you specifics on liability thank you um I am obligated not to disclose any attorney client privilege Communications and the communications we've had with the town so I think that's that specific question um is better for an executive session so Charlie I don't know if you think this is a good time but I think um you know without getting in to specifics and you know certainly it's not a secret that contaminated properties carry some level of of liability with them um there are you know as Matt discussed there are a number of things that you can do to better arm yourself to um you know against that liability um you know Matt mentioned an agreement with DEC and that with the Department of Environmental Conservation that has um you know that's a big effort on dec's part they're really interested in working with municipalities to to limit liability to make municipalities more comfortable um in becoming an owner of these exact type of of properties with the you know full acknowledgment that these types of properties are causing blight in communities and you know prohibiting revitalization which is exactly the situation that we find ourselves in here today so um you know DEC is is very outspoken about their willingness to try to alleviate the potential risk and liability specifically for municipalities with a cooperation type of agreement that Matt had mentioned that help answer and I I think it's important to understand that you know it's been five months but on April 13th or whatever at Spry we did a presentation Mary Harrington Josh artuzo and and Matt Chatfield that took a 400 page very technical phase two testing report from day engineering and tried to show in layman terms uh what they found there and it kind of debunked myths of the last 20 years it is not as bad as I think people had made it out to be um and I think once the county saw the report on that uh that's when they were more open to having this discussion with us this is uh this is you know granted there's more testing that has to be done so there's always a risk that something could manifest itself but based on being you know it's a 0.15 acre parcel it's it's a it's a postage stamp based on the boring holes going six inches the boring holes going 20 feet the water testing there doesn't seem to be anything that is is going to cause you know an unusual amount of remediation we have to finish the testing if we do this there's always risk um the dec agreement I think really would help go a long way Charlie uh in minimizing that risk and certainly as Matt described the mechanism of the EPA Grant almost is perfect for this scenario not the most contaminated property I've ever seen not even close and in the next steps that were provided I think in the phase two or the day had offered were you know pretty standard and and nothing nothing shocking and I don't you know when Matt said you know here's this tight timeline that you're sitting here uh you know really next week we would have to consider three uh three resolutions to get the ball rolling on this um we're hoping to get day engineering's phase one quote as soon as possible to get it out to all of the board members so they have an idea of what type of dollars uh we would be talking about investing um we already as you know from I think we did it with arpa money Paul uh the thirty five thousand dollars of the phase two testing in November of 22 and January 23.
um we're spent on that um the letter of intent for the transfer of the property from the county that's a somewhat of a sleeves from our vest it's it's something that they need to go to their October 10th uh legislature meeting uh to see that we the town board has said yeah we're interested in moving this process along and then the declaring the town board as a lead Agency on Seeker um from what I understand this is uh this isn't a one or two it's called a nan unlisted not enlisted um what does that mean a non-listed Seeker uh I've gotten too much short form environmental thank you Bill I you know I've got because you know what you know I'm getting educated on one and two but now I heard this non-listed short form environment all right all questions should go to Bill um interestingly enough uh to that tight time tight timeline Tuesday October 10th I don't know uh just because the conversations we've had with County uh key people it's not the 29 person legislator we will be talking to legislator Hebert and uh and John's to to Advocate on this if we want to move forward but that's a 29 person legislator that's a wild card this could all be over on October 10th they may you know vote to not pursue this or they may um and I'm speaking on I have a mean at the Town board if they if they're trying to get more out of this than basically a one dollar to get it off their back and they that I would not advocate for that Tom sorry just to clarify that so the November that October 10th um it's just being introduced to the County Legislature so then they'll go to they'll have the committee meetings and then the full legislature will take action on the November 14th so really it's not until November 14th that we know which way the county will sway on this meetings could provide some insight but I think well you could get some color on the 10th I mean you know I've watched some tapes of those in those 29 legislators you know inside voices come out and we might get an idea of where some of them are sitting on this and then you know so that the board would be kept uh prized all the way along through those committee meetings and this and that but uh anyway Bill oh I'm fine yeah all righty it's in the County's hands right thank you thank you thank you Melissa thank you Josh and Matt thank you um it's funny those two timelines two pages it doesn't seem to do justice for all the work that's been done in the last three and a half years meeting Zoom this that crazy I just wanna I have to make a call please do this you you said you're right there's been a lot of work a lot in the last three and a half years a lot of people have been working very hard and doing in-depth studies and uh and reviews and obviously we've had a lot of professional assistants as well the fact is to start at a good 12 or 13 years ago and if the county decides not to uh transfer it um it's going to be another 12 or 13 years and that probably is just going to sit there and do nothing because there's really not a lot that can be done with this property the way things have been going it's not it's not been uh it's not been sold to anybody who's developing it who's intending to develop it it's just been a one roll over after another so I think what the town's done is is great for the town it's great for the West Webster Hamlet yeah and for the community in general so I hope the county does the right thing thanks Shirley thank you Matt Josh for all your work come a long way in just a couple years so we're making good progress foreign okay well we are I think right on schedule actually a couple minutes ahead we only have one more item tonight uh and it's a presentation or a town board discussion on short-term options um okay I don't know how that or I think this got messed up with the uh the uh the resolution we just did in the public hearing so this agenda item is on the short term options and long-term options for EMS in the town of Webster the volunteer EMS Personnel that is more up in the public hearing section now um I'm not gonna move off of the Deus I think I can just present from here um I guess uh because I did the presentation on May 25th at a town board Workshop um I guess I'm going to do the presentation of this one four months later on September 28th so Josh you'll help me with moving along in this it's not a 30 screen um PowerPoint like on the 28th of or 25th of May so my presentation should go pretty quick all right moving to the next page this first page should look familiar to everybody because it is exactly the page that was presented on May 25th in this boardroom uh and this was the summary page of the short term options um that had been identified at that point the only change to this screenshot is the red font uh that says this was presented at the May 25th 2023 Town board Workshop it's the exact same slide at that time there were seven um short-term options that had been identified and there they are I'm not going to read them up we can move on to the next now the last four months uh have been pretty active on this um on June 8th we had a two-hour public meeting at Webster Thomas High School many of the people that are in the room tonight attended that meeting approximately 80 attended there were 50 questions that were asked and answered about half of them from the attendees that night about half of them from a portal a week later my supervisor's Corner article in the Webster Herald clarified that we're not going to hit a June 30th decision by the town board on the short-term option we are still missing information most notably the 2022 Financial audit from nekwells so I put in that article that tentatively we're going to make this decision 45 days after receipt of those audited Financial Stables now on July 14th uh our town attorney The Honorable Charlie Genesee formally requested of neequal's attorney the 2022 Financial audit and also an 18-month payer mix um and requested that by no later than July 31st on July 31st neuqua's leadership informed the town that they are in the process of changing their legal representation and that the 2022 audit would be forthcoming soon on August 15th the town received an equals 2022 Financial audit uh the payer mix from January 22 to June 23 was not provided at that time I'm going to do some simple math for everybody 45 days from August 15th making a decision on short term would be right around October 1st which is Sunday um now from September first to the present some Town Representatives including Paul Adams councilman Cahill myself Charlie Genesee and Russ ziskin the CEO of syracuse-based EMS agency we've been working with knee quals to determine the payer mix and as we sit here tonight some questions still are out there on that I know that John and Russ have been actively uh trying to get that go ahead just explain to people what the pair makes well I was going to get into that okay okay um but actually for the people that are in this room since most of them work for wems they should understand uh unequivocally what payer Max means I think Ross zisken uh he was on the panel on June 8th and I think he did a great job at that public uh meeting of explaining what payer mix is is that um when the EMS professionals get a call they don't distinguish at that point if this is somebody that is Rich and has Private health insurance and that they're going to get all 1500 bucks of what they bill out or whether the person is maybe older and or less affluent is it on Medicare and Medicaid and that the ambulance company is only going to get three hundred dollars out of their build fifteen hundred dollars that's not what these people do their passion is to go help people they don't sit there and do an accounting of oh what do we got here God bless them but when the dust settles an ambulance company has to figure out okay well how many of our calls ended up being full pay and how many of our calls ended up being slatted to capped off on Medicare and Medicaid because the patient uh was a Medicare or Medicaid patient that's payer mix really simply if your whole town was just a bunch of rich people per se and every call you went on got full pay for that call that would be a really financially great Ambulance Company to run conversely on those same exact number of calls if your town was all Medicare and Medicaid your Revenue might be one quarter of what the rich towns was and the same exact number of calls and the same exact number of expense because these professionals have to be in those rigs whether they're going to call or not they're getting paid so that in essence is the foundation of payer mix and I think Ross siskin did a wonderful job that night explaining how his company Nova Northern Onondaga volunteer ambulance out of the Clay New York area has a 17 payer mix for full pay commercial Seventeen percent of their billable calls are the full payers and it makes up fifty percent plus of their collected Revenue now that might be TMI for everybody on payermix but whatever EMS agency's CFO will tell you is that payer mix is Uber Uber Uber important to analyze the financial viability of a EMS agency and where or where not they need some subsidy from local governments so the reason why payermix is such an important factor here is that we go back 14 months and on July 28th Ahmed Mustafa the CEO and chairman of the board of wems and equals stood on the podium and said we need a tax District as soon as January of 23 and we need an initial funding of eight hundred thousand dollars that's very difficult for us as a town board and Paul is the finance chair to understand well do you need eight hundred thousand dollars because are you that rich town that you're getting a payer mix that is tremendous or are you a poor in Old Town and your payer mix is very low and and that's the type of data we need to make an informed educated decision that's my explanation here and right now as we sit here we don't have enough information about that from Nick walls would you agree with that Paul okay for 2022 we've asked for the equals portion okay just only tell us half the story so and I gotta say this Russ diskin has been a godsend he's he's one of our own when I say one of our own he lives here in Webster uh Ahmed Mustafa is actually on Russ diskin's board out at North Onondaga volunteer ambulance in Clay New York he has really been helpful with Paul Charlie myself and John Cahill as we are trying to navigate something that is almost a different language so he's not here tonight but thank you last on this timeline is that on September 20th uh an equals legal representation sent to I think you Charlie um a proposed amendment to the town to the contract uh between the town and nikwals um and then I know councilman Cahill got involved with that in on September 25th there was a second proposed amendment sent over with some changes from the first but both amendments had a money component where the town was giving uh money to nequal's in exchange for some Metric uh changes as far as monitoring them and also a five-year extension of the current contract through the end of or through 2030.
actually a five year I think would be through the end of 29 right 26 27 28th no it would be through the end of 30. all right so that's been the activity the last four months on that the next page is once again this is a page that should look very familiar to everybody because this was a summary of the long-term options that at least had been made known through uh through May 25th so these were shown uh back on May 25th um and then we can go I won't read them off because everybody has seen these anybody paying attention this process has seen these next up is um this is an update on the long term options um the University of Rochester's Simon business school has a team of five NBA Masters in Business candidates that will be starting a research project on the long-term options on October 1st actually October 2nd they have told us that based on this model this is a model they do for businesses um and they've done it for I think five or six years now that it's a two-month process and that they will be giving their they'll present their research findings in early of December 23.
um I will say that this is uh I think a phenomenal opportunity for the town because um they do businesses they do consultation of businesses this is the first time they've done a government entity but as the town board has found out we're in the ambulance business we own a municipal certificate of need we Outsource our ambulance business from that licensure authority to Nic walls but make no doubt about it the town is in the ambulance business and so once we explain that to the powers that be at U of R they said you know what uh we will take on you as a client in this and it costs the town nothing to get some of the brightest Minds at an MBA program at Simon school that I think everybody knows is one of the best in the country so I think it's a tremendous thing for the town and last but not least uh Town legal representation my friend over here Charlie's Nessie and some other attorneys per se have been researching the municipal owned certificate of need the town of Webster must determine if the risk versus The Authority that that con provides the town makes sense in 2024 and Beyond we're in the ambulance business we have authorities having a municipal kind no other town in Monroe County has one we have risk we have liability that cannot be outsourced you can't abdicate liability by going out and Outsourcing a service next and I'll let everybody know you should be happy this is the last one so uh Paige so the general updates the short-term option decision the factors still needing to be discerned that will delay the October 1st tentative deadline the payer mix I've already explained that until we can get a good handle on it it's very difficult for the town board to make a short-term option decision this due diligence process I'm just going to say has made the town board look at this from a standpoint that this may not just be a financial decision does this decision that we're about to make go beyond Financial subsidy some of that I already just described I think we found out in the last 14 months something that we really didn't consider back in 2015 through 19 when we pursued a municipal certificate of need that there's risk to it um the Penfield voluntary ambulance uh has developed a 90-day transition plan and it's currently under review by the town board I imagine this because the screenshot of the seven um short-term options from four months ago right on there one of them was going to Penfield volunteer ambulance so we continue to do our due diligence um we had them do that the town board members are looking at that uh two other things the non-disclosure agreement that I think has been very much highlighted in the community the NDA they call it that was done in November 2022 is believed to be unenforceable by the committee of an open government based on the current contractual relationship the town continues to honor the spirit of that NDA within equals but due diligence information will be made public if knee quals factors into the short-term decision and last but not least the current five-year contract which is from January of 2021 through December of 25.
on the towns outsourced con authorities to Nick walls covering the BLS and transport has a 90-day termination Clause by either party with no penalty so that's our update at this point and uh hopefully since I did that presentation in 14 minutes any q a can be answered by other people besides me and as Workshop Rules of Engagement are that q a comes from the town board members and and the town uh department heads not a public meeting public I shouldn't say public meeting public income disease it's not open to public comment so the U of R MBA candidates are coming they're going to be looking at I believe two municipalities that have their own ambulances within correct Macedon and Colony right colonies outside of Albany I think everybody knows where Madison yeah so there was some disparaging remarks on Facebook with respect to um these MBA candidates coming in to do this and I just want to say that I just that was in bad taste and never should have been done and I think the town welcomes these candidates to come in and look at Macedon and and do the uh the work that they're about to do I think we could all agree that there's a lot of things on Facebook that are inappropriate and in poor taste well there is and and there's and there's been a lot of rumors and innuendos floating around in particular by you know several people that you know think they're in a no but they put some information out there that's not true and you know you have very dedicated people here young people are here today that that hear these rumors and they see it on Facebook yet they show enough class not to respond and we appreciate your dedication to our community and also having the class not to respond back which must be very very difficult to do I I I'm so intrigued because I'm not on Facebook but I don't want to know I don't want to know it's best that way no if you don't I I sleep at night I guess yes I I do have Kim Doyle in the supervisor office who is awesome she lets me know if there's something on Facebook that I should know about and I trust her judgment so I do get some sounds I don't have any further questions on on the presentation tonight I just want to thank both you and attorney Genesee and John Cahill for all the time that you have put into this Paul Adams you've been an integral part in gathering all this information I just want to thank everyone and those in the room who have have tried to get us to this point and uh there's still some work to do but we've yeah we've done quite a bit and thank you for that and and into to Tom's point with respect to Russ siskin's assistance in this matter um I appreciate all his knowledge that he's brought in in most importantly his objectivity with respect to what we've been doing he's he has many many years in the business and you know I think he is he's really helping move this um moving this forward and I think he's done it with a great amount of respect for all parties that are involved I agree I've been impressed by him so so bad yeah if anybody gets to know Russ he's a really funny guy very successful um I.T business he's got one son that's out in California who's a rocket scientist it's I don't know but he said from day one John listen I've lived here for 10 years my only interest in ambulance is I'm a little bit overweight 58 year old guy someday I'm gonna have an ambulance called to my house and I want to make sure that you know right it's good he he is stuck to that I mean I think that little anecdotal line he's shown through none of this and I know Paul and Charlie you've been in meetings with him very objective um fact-based uh he's been great it's been and I'm sure it'll continue to be invaluable in this process he will um I spoke to him again today and whenever I call either he'll either pick up the phone or he'll call me right back so he he's you know and very helpful well I I if there is no other questions or whatever you know the the 800 pound gorilla in the room or whatever is well if you're not making the decision by October 1st when are you I I don't I don't know what to say about that I don't want to kick this can down the road any more than it has to um I would say Financial player mix that bottom line we have to have that information otherwise you're not going to make a decision well that's a simple answer Bill yep I'll leave it at that to be determined yeah so so you'll see out there on Facebook that the town board continues to not make decisions that's what that's what they'll say sure okay yeah all right well with that uh I think that concludes tonight's uh Town board Workshop thank you everybody for coming and you're all who watched at home live or just watched the tape thanks