WEBSTER PLANNING BOARD MINUTES
Webster Town Board Meeting Room 1002 Ridge Road
7:00 p.m.
7 Apri! 2026
ABSENT:
Anthony Casciani, Chairman Peggy Maltman
Mark Giardina, Secretary
Dave Malta, Vice Chairman
Derek Anderson
Drazen Gasic
Sven Vetter
Katherine Kolich. Recording Secretary
Josh Artuso, Director of Community Development
Erika Corsi, Town Planner
Frank Ciardi, Attorney
Welcome to the Planning Board meeting ot April 7, 2026. We have 7 items
on the agenda this evening.
Pledge of Allegrance/Roll Call
Summary overview of outcome:
TABLED MATTERS
:
1. BEST BUY AUTO SALES-771 RIDGE RD
BEST BUY AUTO SALES
APPROVED WITH CONDITIONS:
2. WATERVIEW PHASE 3-WILLOWPOINT WAY
LEGACY DEVELOPMENT CO.
APPROVED EXTENTION WITH CONDITIONS:
SCHEDULED MATTERS
:
3. UNITED BUFFET-941 HARD RD - SIGN
JENNY Z
APPROVED AS PRESENTED ALONG WITH HONORING THE
PREVIOUSE VARIANCE FOR TWO SIGNS.
4, STATE FARM-1065 RLDGE ROAD- SIGN
CHRIS ROSS
APPROVED WITH CONDITION: INTERNAL LIGHTING ONLY
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5. RG&E STATION 73-891 KLEM-UPGRADE
ERIC THORNE
APPROVED WITH CONDITIONS:
6. 7 BREW-HARD RD
DOUG BEACHEL
Status. TABLED TO MAY 5, 2026
7. WEBSTER SOLAR GARDENS LLC - 1460 CARACAS DR
KATIE SOSCIA
APPROVED MODIFICATIONS AND EXTENTION.
( Mark Giardina read each application into the record)
Located at 771 Ridge Road. Applicant Allan Mallette
is requesting PRELIMINARY/FINAL SITE PLAN APPROVAL (
PUBLIC HEARING
) in
association with the construction of an approximately 2,826SF accessory structure for auto-mobile
servicing ona |.73-acre parcel having SBL# 079.17-1-21.11 located in the MC Medium-Intensity
Commercial District under Section 269-11 and Section 350-18 of the Code of the Town of
Webster.
Appearing before the board was Ian Kuchman with McMahon LaRue Associates, Civil Engineer
representing the applicant, Best Buy Auto and looking to construct a 2800 sq ft accessory structure
outback. The primary structure at 771 Ridge Road. The intended use is accessory to the main
operations which is a used car dealership and the building would allow operations to maintain and
service vehicles that are sold through the dealership elongating that full customer service thal every
auto dealership seeks to achieve with their clients and their customers.
We were before the board a couple of months ago for sketch review and we took a lot of that
feedback and updated our plans, and we were supposed to come back last month but we were
dropped due to some miscommunication errors with the Webster Herald, so we were unable to get
a public hearing, but we are here today in an attempt to combine preliminary/final for your review
tonight. As T said, we did update the site plans, and we've included clevations and some grading to
denote some of the drainage concern that the town Engineering Department had. Primarily the
pond, who owns the pond; what we are going to do with the pond ultimately. The pond, if you
guys are looking at the screen, we can go to sheet 3 of 5 shows approximately where the pond is
outback and the proposed accessory structure there. You can see that pond straddles the existing
properly line. Half of it is on our applicants property and the other half is on the neighbor, who
would be Thomas Landscaping.
So, we are showing on our plans the maintenance of that pond. We are proposing a formalized
easement that would provide some demarcation for some future maintenance agreement. Either a
privale maintenance agicement between the 2 neighbors of tle towa Wele interested, some suil
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of maintenance agreement with the town. We are open to suggestions on that front. Either way,
there is a short term plan to maintain that pond and rehabilitate or restore the intended capacity and
also to clean out the outlet pipe to make sure there is no potential for upstream flooding situations.
Does that pond actually work now. Obviously, if you put a building there and
then what is there currently, either way il is impervious surface. Is.................. BOTH
PARTLES SPEAKING Al }HE SAME [LME....taking care of water as it stands.
Yes, there is no flooded conditions. The building that Best Buy Auto operates out
of right now has a basement that doesn’t flood, it has walk out windows that functions fine. But
again, while we have construction equipment there and excavating for footings and what not there
iS an Opportunity here to maintain this pond and make sure it is in good working condition.
From a storm water standpoint, we are not proposing to increase total impervious area of the site so
we are not proposing to generate any new overall of runoff so the capacity of the pond, if restored
to it’s original dimensions and elevations should be adequate and total site disturbance is less than
an acre so erosion sediment control and storm water pollution plan should not be required. The
accessory structure is going to have floor drains, so we are proposing an oil-water separator, and it
has been reviewed by the town Sewer Department, and we have received their comments and have
sized it according to our proposed use.
Tony, we did take a look at some of the landscaping, and J think that was one of your comments
during sketch. We are showing on our site plan the existing landscaping and we are showing where
we are going to be removing one tree, but we are also going to be preserving another tree right next
to it. And then you had asked about property line location. If you were to go out to the site and
look at the overhead power poles, those are right on the property line. Which shows a pretly
healthy vegetative stripe between our parking lot and our neighbors parking Jot. Best Buy Auto
Just invested pretty significantly in improving the landscaping along the road frontage and the plan
is to maintain that and continue to promote that curbside appeal. I think those are really those
highlights of what we are presenting here. Like I said, we received comments during sketch, and
we received comments from preliminary application although we did not have a public hearing, we
did receive town comments, and we responded to those comments. We received comments last
week or the week hefore and we have responded to those comments as well. So. best faith effort to
try and cooperate and respond to the town as best as we can. In an attempt to receive some sort of
approval with conditions of course to make sure all stake holders are coming out of this.
Let me just run though for the things that we did talk about at that meeting and
then you can address them and if they are in there or not. You are only landscaping the front, that
has always looked fairly decent .
We will put:
e Increase the vegetation buffer along the west side of the property.
e Show the paving hinit ds i parking suiping on the platis-is that on dice!
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Yes
Anthony Casciani:
e Include a dumpster enclosure details.
¢ Include wall pack lighting details and the building elevations, the lighting and paving
details.
e Site data table to include total number of overall parking spaces. So, ultimately at the end,
you want to strip what is supposed to go in there and that be the maximum number of cars
on the site.
e Add distant measurement between existing and proposed buildings, I think that was
something Drazen asked.
e And provide overall landscape plans, which you have done.
Now, the only question that I have on it, you have to run water in there, why are not putting a
bathroom in there?
We are. It was questionable at first
One thing that is new on here is the fact that the pond is being shown with work
on the adjacent parcel and right now we don’t have anv acknowledgement that there’s actually an
easement or an agreement to do that work on the adjacent parcel. | am not sure of how we can
approve work on some one else’s land.
Yes, that is a weird one because there was an easement originally shown on there
and the easement was never filed so I think we are going to have to get creative with maybe the
towns help to figure out how to actually file that easement. Worst case scenario.......
What has Thomas Landscaping said.
Yes, we have had discussions with them, and we have talked to them several
months ago and talked to them today and they are on board with maintaining that. It’s to their
benefit as well.
T think the solution (o that is simply setting a document from them and
something stating that their in agreement with it and granting you the casement to come on and do
the maintenance on jt and provide that to the town.
Yes
Prior to aC of O,
lan Kuchman: Even though there is not a formal easement in place there is a bi-right tmplicit
easement thal cxist on any parcel. If there is something on your parcel like a uulity or an egress
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ingress, that allows me to get to my property to the right of way, there’s an implicit easement that
allows me to go and maintain whatever that utility is and, in this case, it would be stormwater so
there is an implicit easement but of course we are going to make that as explicit and formalized as
possible. Again, either through private conversation or through the town if necessary.
That is something new to me, | have never heard of it.
lan Kuchman: It was new to me until my surveyors told...explained it to me.
Make it subject to filing the easement.
lan Kuchman: Yes, we are happy with that.
How do we make sure it gets filed.
They can’t do it unless......
No, how do we make sure it gets filed because this area has a history of this has
the word “proposed” private easement for storm maintenance and then years come back to find
out that the easement was never filed because the work “proposed” is on there.
How about we just say, subject to the signing and filing of the easement. Does that
work.
BOARD MEMBERS SPEAKING AT THE SAME TIME.
The area is less than an acre, but you have a sign on here that says proposed total
impervious area is an acre.
lan Kuchman: Yes, that total site. So, the whole frontage of the site is not going to be disturbed.
Correct, so you are putting in a pond that deals with a site that is disturbed for
over an acre
lan Kuchman: Active disturbance is going to be less than an acre. We are just putting up a pole
barn. All the parking in the rear is existing gravel. We are just going to be putting down asphalt.
proposed standard duty asphalt so the drawing shown that the site is
being paved with asphalt. So, that is disturbance.
There 1s not going to be any soil disturbance.
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But you are now putting in an impervious surface. The asphalt on the site. So,
now you have to have a SWPPP and a stormwater __.. (BOTH PARTIES
SPEAKING)
We are including the pavement as part of our disturbance calculations. We are not
asphalting the whole site, just the portion marked on our plan.
It clearly says an acre. So, it seems to me that this site is subject to having a
SWPPP particularly since you are going to onto an adjacent parcel too.
fan Kuchman: The reason why we are showing an acre is to show that are total impervious is
remaining the same.
I guess, does Engineering accept that it is a...it’s something we have to know
before we can do anything.
We have accepted....we requested and they have provided a or what we will call
a modified SWPPP. Essentially, they are fulfilling components of the permit, SWPPP permit as
necessary, so we are ok with that. What I would like to see is that part of this, that not only the
easement, the drainage easement but we need to also have a maintenance agreement as well . So,
they have to go. with each other so those are important.
The two pipes coming in, there’s a note on here saying that the one that is being
jet cleaning, there is a comment saying that goes over to swale on the adjacent parcel where does
the other pipe start from. The one heading north out of the pond. I see it going up towards the
landscaping area and just kind of ending. So, what’s that actually tied into?
That ties into the other property owner’s catch basin and it’s coming into the pond.
It’s inletting into the pond.
Where is that other catch basin.
(BOARD MEMBERS HAVING CONVERSATION PLFASF PULT AWAY FROM THF
DIAS WHEN APPLICANT IS SPEAKING)
I don’t know whose controlling the mouse. You sec behind the landscaping to the
top of the page there, Josh, Follow that up and continue to follow that up.
Oh, so the storm is underneath the trees.
lan Kuchman: The storm drainage pipe.
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lan Kuchman: Those are existing. That’s an existing storm. All of that is not part of the project.
It’s existing.
Does that Jine function too? And how much runoff is coming from the adjacent
parcel into this pond.
lan Kuchma: [is really just a quaiter of that parcel. Su, ihe front pari of the site that’s closest to
our property line. So, there’s a ridge on the other side of the parcel heads to west towards the right
away.
As long as Engineering’s fine with putting this off before they have a chance to
review those calculation for the runoff and the volume on it.
Yes, just like I said, as long as we are....we have the easement, the drainage
easement and the maintenance agreement, however that’s arrived at between the two property
owners, because we will identify this as a pond that needs a yearly inspection.
So, with that included as far as Engineering, you’re okay.
Yes
Anybody else, Board members questions or concerns. It’s pretty much
everything we’ve asked for preliminary. This is a public hearing. If there is anyone here wishing
to speak wither for or against this application. Not seeing anyone, so we’ll close the public hearing
and bring it back to the board. Anybody????
Derek Anderson:
The Town of Webster Planning board considered the request by applicant Allan Mallette for
construction of an approximately 2,826SF accessory structure for Best Buy Auto Sales located at
771 Ridge Road on a 1.73-acre parcel having SBL# 079.17-1-21.11 located in the MC Medium-
Intensity Commercial District.
The Planning Board classifies the proposed action to be a Type II Action under Section
617.5(c)(9) ol the State Environmental Review (SEQR) Regulations and therefore is not subject
to further review.
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RESOLUTION 26-006 Derek Anderson made a motion for TYPE II
SEQR which was seconded by Drazen Gasic.
VOTE:
Mr, Casciani AYE
Mr. Malta AYE
Mi. Gtardina AYE
Mr. Anderson AYE
Mr. Kosel AYE
Mrs. Maltman ABSENT
Mr. Gasic AYE
RESOLUTION 26-007
Dave Malta made a motion for
PRELIMINARY APPROVAL (PUBLIC
HEARING): Located at 771 Ridge Road.
Applicant Allan Mallette is requesting
PRELIMINARY PLAN APPROVAL
(
PUBLIC HEARING
) in association with
the construction of an approximately 2,826SF
accessory structure for auto-mobile servicing
ona i.73-acre parcel having SBL# 079.1 7-1-
21.11 located in the MC Medium-lIntensity
Commercial District under Section 269-1 1
and Section 350-18 of the Code of the Town
of Webster which was seconded by Mark
Giardina,
PRELIMINARY APPROVAL CHECKLIST
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Subject to PRC Comments
Subject to a Letter of Credit posted with the Town of Webster.
Subject to Monroe County Water Authority comments
Subject to the determination of the ZBA for requested variances.
Ali the improvements shall be constructed according to the specification of the Town of
Webster.
All sitework is to be in compliance with the standards of the Town of Webster.
Comply with all requirements of any Federal, Sue, County, or Town agency.
Address drainage, lighting, signage, and landscaping, buffering, berming and snow storage.
The landscape, hardscape, site accessories, and associated finished grading design for the
development must be prepared by a NYS licensed Landscape Architect. The final landscape
plans shall bear the seal and signature of the Landscape Architect.
| would like to make sure that the drainage is added.
Let's use this here
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And the private maintenance agreement.
A signed and filed maintenance and drainage easement with the neighboring property
located at 775 Ridge Road to be included. I think also put in, just to reiterate the comments that were made
that I just read off there before, there’s a list of them that we did when they were in for sketch plan, that
they’re included. I guess they’ ve got them in there, but we'll take and copy them... Just have them in there
so that make sure that when it’s reviewed, we see them in there, you know
10. Approvals are subject to Drawing Dated:__4.6. 2026
Excuse me, we did received a more updated plan set with a different dated 4.6.26
11. Proceed to Final Approval
12. A signed and filed maintenance and drainage easement with the neighboring property located
at 775 Ridge Road
VOTE:
Mr. Casciani AYE
Mr. Malta AYE
Mr. Giardina AYE
Mr. Anderson AYE
Mr. Koscl AYE
Mrs. Maliman ABSENT
Mr. Gasic AYE
The application is actually in here for final approval.
RESOLUTION 26-008
FINAL APPROVAL CHECKLIST
I. Subject to PRC comments.
Dave Malta made a motion for FINAL
APPROVAL (
PUBLIC HEARING
):
Located at 771 Ridge Road. Applicant Allan
Mallette is requesting FINAL SITE PLAN
APPROVAL (
PUBLIC HEARING
) in
association with the construction of an
approximately 2,826SF accessory structure
lor auto-mobile servicing on a |.73-acre
pareel having SBL# 079.17-1-21.11 located
in the MC Medium-Intensity Commercial
District under Section 269-11 and Section
350-18 of the Code of the Town of Webster
which was seconded by Drazen Gasic.
Subject to Parks and Recreation fees (if applicable)
2
3. Subject to Preliminary Approval Conditions.
4. Subject to all applicable governmental fees.
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Subject to Department of Public Works approval
6. Significant construction shall occur within one year, as deemed by the Planning Board to
expireon 4.7.27.
7. The conditions of Preliminary and Final approval are depicted on the cover page of the
final designed plans.
8. The Engineer for the proposed project shall provide a Letter of Certification that all
proposed work was completed, as pei Pluaniiig Boaid resolution of final approval before
a Certificate of Occupancy will be issued.
9. A Letter of Credit to the Town for the project shall include the fee for the Engineer’s
final certification inspection of the site.
10. Subject to final approved minutes
11. All storm water facilities are to be constructed first
12. Approvals are subject to Drawing Dated: 4.6.26
13. A signed and filed maintenance and drainage easement with the neighboring property
located at 775 Ridge Road.
14. The key part of this for final approval is subject to all appropriate governmental fees;
subject to engineering governmental approvals; site work is in compliance with standards
town so on and so forth. There’s also a statement in there that money is held for final
approval by the Engineer for the project. So, that’s something...1 don’t know if we’re
following very closely, but I think it’s something we need to absolutely follow and that
should be part of the monies set aside that pay for the Engineer to zo back and review that
everything that he did on his drawings are done adequately. Okay, so I just want to reiterate
that just so that we stay on the same page. We have that in there, but I don’t know if it
always gets followed.
The key part of this for final approval is subject to all appropriate governmental
fees; subject to engineering governmental approvals; site work is in compliance with standards
town so on and so forth. There’s also a statement in there that money is held for final approval by
the Engineer for the project. So, that’s something. ..I don’t know if we’re following very closely,
but I think it’s something we need to absolutely follow and that should be part of the monies set
aside that pay for the Engineer to go back and review that everything that he did on his drawings
are done adequately, Okay, so ] just want to reiterate that just so that we stay on the same page.
We have that in there, but I don’t know if it always gets followed. (ADDED TO CONDITIONS
ABOVE)
VOTE:
Mr. Casciani AYE
Mr. Malta AYE
Mr. Giardina AYE
Mr, Anderson AYE
Mr. Kosel AYE
Mrs. Maltman ABSENT
Mr. Qasic AYE
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WATERVIEW PHASE 3: Located at 0 Willowpoint Way. Applicant Legacy Development Co.
is requesting FINAL SITE PLAN APPROVAL EXTENSION associated with the proposed
construction of six (6) two-story townhouse style buildings consisting of a total of 56 residential
units and one (1) community center on a 13.5-acre parcel having SBL#s 093.06-3-64.11 and
093.06-3-64.12 located in an MHR Medium High Residentia! District under Sections 269-17 of
the Code of the Town of Webster.
Appearing before the board was Chris Nadler, general counsel for Mark V Enterprises. I am here
today with Ed Martin, from Passero, and our friend Randy Jackson. Thank you for having us.
It’s been, it’s hard to believe that it has been a year since I was last here. We are here for an
extension or renewal of the site plan approval that you did grant us a year ago and we have one
condition, the jurisdictional determination from the DEC that is outstanding. Other than that all
conditions haven been satisfied or will he satisfied and no conditions or the conditions at the site
haven’t changed. So, we are here asking for a renewal. I will turn it over to Ed Martin who can
give you the background and where we are with the DEC on getting that jurisdictional
determination.
Thanks, Chris. So, as you probably are aware, the DEC changed their wetland regs in
January of 2025. They’re taking a much greater role in small wetlands, which historically have
been under the contro! of the Army Corps of Engineers. So, we have done a delineation. The
wetlands are west ul our development area. No propused disturbance 1s included in these plans.
We have received a verbal from the DEC that they’re going to issue a non-jurisdiction
determination indicating that no permitting is required from them So, they’re overworked and
understaffed. So, we're just waiting for that. Steve Miller from the DEC has indicated that they’ re
granting the JD stating that there’s no permits required. So, we’re just in a holding pattern.
Again, you are just here to continue the process basically for another year.
Now I know there are....] think Keith, you had some concerns on it. There’s some Engineering
details. You just met with them. Whoever wants to address ahead.
Yes, some additional information was recently brought to our attention by a Sewer
Department employee that we were not privy to last year and that concern stems from an existing
30 inch sanitary truck line that runs north south through the site. It is owned by Monroe County
and connects to the McKuen pump station however when it crosses the Penfield Webster town
board on this property and the Lown is responsible lor repair and maintenance. So, some concerns
were expressed due to the condition of the pipe. It does take approximately 2 million gallons of
flow per day, primarily from Penfield. It is 60 years old and it’s about 20 feet down. So, the
concern was that this project proposes to tap into that line and not sure that it’s age and material
that it can withstand something like that without potentially creating an issue.
So, 1 guess that poses the question now, we know you already got final approval
last year and you’re coming back for an extension on that, but if you could try to answer what
type of assurance can the town have relative to that ptpe when you guys are actually doing the
project.
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That’s a good question Mr. Ciardi and the answer is the same assurances that the
town had when this board granted final site plan approval last year. There will be a letter of
credit, and the Town Engineers signatures are required on the final plans. We can work out the
specific details as to what’s needed in a letter of credit prior to commencing construction. And I
think we have worked well with Keith on this process so far and we’re happy to continue doing
SO.
Do you have to get permission from Pure Waters then?
I think they need to sign or stamp the plans.
So, they already signed off on part of the
Does that satisfy Engineering all right?
So, the only thing that we’ve also made aware of if is that the....there is an
easement for this sanitary line and the storm chamber that’s being installed is right against that
easement. So, in the event that the county or the town ever had to get in there to do repair work
on that, that line, there is a potential that there would be an impact to that storm water chamber.
So, the town would like to be held...be indemnified from any damages that would occur as a
result Of that repair work should it ever have to happen.
1 think the easement language would already include that, 1 would imagine. And
again, we'll work with Keith prior to signatures on the plan to ensure that easement already
contains that indemnification language.
Does that satisfy Engineering. I know this whole project been very
controversial. It’s been through the loops, that’s for sure. But these are new things.
And it was controversial and has been for 15 years I’ve been coming here and it’s
been controversial and not to say that the neighbors are thrilled about having new development,
but McEwen Road neighbors... you know, at our last meeting were not....you know, they didn’t
eco my car Thev did we had nice chats You know. I think hetween this hoard the Zonine
Board, town staff, Josh and Ketth we were really able to bring it to a you know, a good project
that the neighbors will be able to tolerate and live with and this town and the developer can be
proud of. So, now you have to open the public hearing and I’mhoping that there’s not a bunch
of neighbors with pitchforks after T just said that.
Okay, this is a public hearing. We'll give you three minutes to explain what
your situation is and Mim going to ask you a favor. fone person says and covers one topic, you
don’t have to cover the topic three or four times. Go ahead.
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Dave Geier at 400 McEwen Drive and I do have a pitch fork and I wish you will not put words
in out mouths because that we're satisfied with this project because that’s not true. There was
one open item from last year agenda that Mr, Anderson raised. I would like to know if that has
been resolved. Which was the dock permit was supposed to be cancelled and revoked and Mr.
Nadler and Mr. Casciani and Mr. Anderson ail agreed that that would be done. And I have the
minutes from that meeting from last year and | was wondering tf that had been revoked and no
longer applicable.
I don’t remember that, but I don’t know.
That was supposed to be according to the minutes action taken by the town to do
that.
It seems to me that the answer to that at the time was
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The town was going to send a letter to the DEC saying part of the approval ....
But there was......] think their comment and could be wrong was that at that
time there was no application or anything to with that piece of the property and nothing to do
The whole dock thing and that permit been renewed administratively for several
years and they go through the process of making sure that it’s been renewed so that doc permit
is still out there and it’s been you know, DEC has it. DEC has made the comment that since there
are certain covenants that were in the conditions of that permit with this development in the
disturbance on the site as part of the conditions on it that they’ ve actually violated the covenants
of that permit. So therefore, it would be null and void though we need to as a board we had agreed
to not notify DEC that okay, you know, this is being approved and the permit you know you keep
saying it’s not part of the project, but it actually is because it’s part of the overall development
that permit is null and void.
Who do you fee! should be contacting DEC, the town or the applicant.
The town,
I am pretty sure that our office did contact them, and I can double check and confirm
that tomorrow when I get back into the office. I just can’t recall.
Okay, if you have, that’s good but if not, that can be done.
Correct.
Pe. St Apr /, 2UZ6 Planning Meeting
Appreciate that and I will continue to say that the number of precedents associated
with this project with having roads that driveways that directly access a residential road and also
the poor utilization of property using only four acres out of 13 for development really crams a lot
of housing onto a very small area and tt does not meet the medium housing requirement you're
actually putting 14 units per acre onto the four acres they're going to develop. And I just think
it's nota good precedent. Tie nvo precedents are not good for the town of Webster.
Okay, thank you. You know, this is all stuff that we dealt with.
| understand, fT have been right here with you so. The projects been long and I know
you got frustrated last session because this has dragged along for so long. I think that just
indicative that it is a bad project for Webster.
Dorothy Fait at 747 Hichtower Wav Thank vou
You sent us a letter just for the meeting. It was supposed to be on March 3™.
| would like to express my opposition to granting a one-year extension on the
Willowpoint 2 projects. The Webster Town Board is considering a vote on a development
moratorniam until such time as a comprehensive plan is completed and zoning regulations are
updated in compliance with that plan. The current site is covered by an EPOD for steep slopes.
fhe comprehensive plan will be guiding new regulations regarding development of fragile
environmental parcels and as such this project which failed to make any significant site
developments to date should be required to present its plan when the new regulations are in
place.
T would also challenge the planning boards prior determination that will point expansion as an
unlisted action and as such did not require a long EAF. The Planning Board has the authority to
classify this project as a type one based on the steep slope that is being developed. This project
site plan has presented shows one of the buildings on property covered by the EPOD. Also, it
appears that a retention pond may be relocated from it’s currently approved location to the parcel
that is covered by the EPOD. Visiting the location shows a heavily wooded and very steep slope
on the sandy slopes up down to Irondequoit Bay.
I contend this property requires all the protections afforded a type I on segr review and that the
Plannine Board should review this development request agam in the future when our regulatory
framework, our zoning ordinances, our subdivision regulations and related land use laws have
been updated. Currently, they have not kept pace with the evolving needs of our community or
with the modern leading edge practices in environmental protection and sustainable planning.
Following the most recent heavy rains in the Towa of Irondequoit experienced the erosion of
veep slopes on the lrondequott Bay watershed on Carlson Road south of
104. The steep slopes
Near lrondequoit Bay need to be protected, The Planning Board should, as it authority allows,
deny the requested extension. Thank you.
Pg. 82 April /, 2020 Planning Mecung
My question is really more about the actual jurisdiction. I
think you said you have work that that’s approved. What I'm asking the board to ask is for a
timeline. When was the jurisdictional determination filed? What's the process? Was it approved
originally? Was it denied. As you all know, this projects been going back and forth for years.
Years before I even moved there. Part of the original approach was to kind of piggyback on an
approval that was I think 1985. So, really what P'm getting at here is these extensions, these
projects, they keep coming buck for tis particular piece of tand. 1m asking the beard to put
more restrictions, dates, specific dates, timelines in terms of when they should be required to get
the actual jurisdictional determination from the DEC as a condition of any extension that you
grant today.
Thank you. Is there anyone else who wishes to speak. If no one, we will close
the nublic hearing and bring it hack to the hoard Is there anv thouch to how lone this is soning to
take, Chris, with as far as your deal with the DEC. The hold up on this whole thing has been the
completion of the environmental issues with the DEC. Like you said, they’re lacking their own
help, I guess.
Mark V is impatient as the town, and we have leaned on Passero who’s leaned on
the DEC. They do have a verbal approval is my understanding and beyond that I don’t think we
can predict. I can’t imagine it’s going to be much longer, but J can’t predict or force the DEC to
acl. Well, you know, within the one-year renewal, we Ul absolutely....you better get done within
that one year.
So, can we do this? Would this work for you guys? If we extended it a year,
but this would be the last year that it gets an extension.
Well, | would ask that we be allowed to have, you know, what’s allowed by code
because of the unpredictability of you know, so many factors when you’re planning construction
like this. You know, | understand that previous projects have dragged on, but this is a new project,
and I think we’re entitled to what's allowed by code. We’re leaning on Passero and Passero is
leaning on the DEC, and we hope to have an answer as soon as possible.
And just for the hoards knowledge. there were several variances granted associated
with this project that have since expired. So, they actually had to go back to the Zoning Board to
reapply for those variances. So, just to tactor that into any ming considerations that the board
might be thinking of.
Okay, well, ladies and gentlemen, what do you want to do?
[know from expericnee that dealing with the DEC in today’s world is a nightmare.
I've dealt with several projects, and you can’t communicate with them. You can’t get any
timeline from them and when they get it done, they get it done and that’s their attitude and that’s
theaway itis. His veryedifficuh te price tinicline on DEC.
Py. 83 Ap! /, 2UZ0 Planning Meeting
We’ve had other projects that have been similar situations but this one I guess
at the time right now they’re having issues with their department even, So, that compounds it
even more so.
No, I know well......full weil that the issues of dealing with DEC and the time
frame it’s taken them to do approvals. You know, particularly with the white line regulations.
{he tact he got something verbai to me 1s Kind ot surprising.
They’ ve been leaning. They’re doing good.
A few questions, one, if the extension is rejected, what would be the next step? It
would be a whole new application coming before us.
They would have to start from scratch all over again with the whole thing.
And then should we be holding off until zoning grants the variances again prior
to.
1 don’t believe we have to do that. [ think we can approve it. Then they do
what they want. Amendments. And quite honestly, I don’t know why they put limitations on it
at the Zoning Board because the Planning Board, that s the tinal plan. So, where did they come
into doing it.
it’s approved within the one year period. So, now they’re asking for an extension
just like the variance needs technically an extension.
(NOT CLOSE ENOUGH TO THE MIC) That’s another whole issue that I
question for several years.
All I can think of when I think of the State of New York is hurry up and wait.
And then it appears that you’re at the mercy, as Dave said, of the DEC. Not much you can do
about it.
RESOLUTION 26-009 Anthony Casciani made a motion for to
GRANT A ONE YEAR EXTENTION
(
PUBLIC HEARING
): Located at 0
Willowpoint Way. ONE YEAR
EXTENTION APPROVAL associated
with the proposed construction of six (6)
two-story townhouse style — buildings
consisting of a total of 56 residential units
and one (1) community center on a 13.5-acre
parce! having SBL#s 093,06 3 61.1! and
093.06-3-64.12 located in an MHR Medium
Py. 34 April /, 20260 Planning Meeting
L
High Residential District under Sections
269-17 of the Code of the Town of Webster
which was seconded by Dave Malta.
(NEED TO USE THE MIC AND SPEAK LOUDER) Doesn't our approval need to
be contingent upon on the Zoning Board?
I don’t know, does it.
I think it would automatically be contingent there. We can’t build it without those
variances. But we'd be happy to have it subjectivity of that. Whatever makes you guys
comfortable.
Suggesting we make our approval subject to the Zoning Boards.
Yes, we can do that. Okay, we’ll make that motion subject to the ZBA’s
approval.
1m sorry, one thing. This letter that’s supposed to go to DEC, the
correspondence to DEC checking to make sure the dock thing has been.
Okay, we want to include that in there.
Yes
And that was the comment that we made dealing with DEC. You are going
to check on them and....
Yes
Sent if it hasn’t already been sent. | don’t want you to send 2 letters.
Subject ta verification that the dock permit has heen revoked hy DEC
No, subject to verification that Josh sent the letter. } can’t control the DEC and
and what they’re going to do. And I don’t think that was what was discussed at the previous
mecting at last year’s meeting.
Well, that was part of last year’s meeting.
lt was that Josh was going to send a letter of some sort.
(BOARD MEMBERS HAVING A DISCUSSION, PLUASL MOVE AWAY PROM THE
DIAS)
Pg. 85 April /, 2UZ60 Planning Meeting
Right. You'll send a letter saying that the permit has to be revoked because they
didn’t meet the conditions of the permit and J think that should be put into this resolution for the
extension. Do we get verification that they have revoked that permit.
Yeah. Plus, it can be entered in now since this is granting of the extension. So,
regardless of what was approved previousiy, you're asking for an extension right now. So, this
is the conditron of this extension.
So, I don’t want {o be argumentative. My understanding at the last......you know,
Josh was going to send a letter and that was what this board agreed to a year ago. Under New
York State Law and Webster town code, this board is not allowed to impose new conditions
on a renewal unless they relate to the renewal.
But it does relate to the renewal because that was something that was suppose
to be done and we're just verifying that it was done and that the permit has been pulled....
BOTH PARTIES SPEAKING AT THE SAME TIME
What was supposed to be done
If 10s something that you re not agreeing to then | don t know that we couid
extend this.
But what was supposed to be done at the last meeting was that Josh was going
to send a letter. You can not impose a condition on me that the DEC is going to do something.
I don’t have control over that, right. The permit is set to expire at some point. I don’t know in
the near future.
The problem with the permit is that it’s continuously being renewed
administratively. Which simply means that the applicant sends in and says, “Hey, could you
renew this?” And DEC says, “Okay”. They’re not really taking a close look at it because of
their close process. That ts based on the discussions I had with the person at DEC,
And I do recall having verbal conversations directly with the DEC about this matter.
I can’t recall if! senta formai letter, but | do recall them saying that because of the condition
associated with that permit and the resubdivision of land that took place to facilitate this project
that since they can’t meet that spirit of that condition that it would null and void the permit. So,
they wouldn’t entertain another extension because they are aware of the change that has occurred.
But I will circle back with them and verify the status of that permit and ensure that they’re aware
of What the towns pusition is ii regard to hat.
So subject to verification.
Py. so April /, 2UZ60 Planning Viecung
Okay, so Josh...so we'll put that in there to make sure it’s clear that Josh
will contact the NY State DEC to verify the status of the docks and probably should add in there
too that we are granting the one-year extension and part of that is subject to you negotiating with
I guess negotiating with the DEC for the approval through their office. Which is the key to the
whole thing.
VOTE:
Mr. Casciani AYE
Mr. Malta AYE
Mr. Giardina AYE
Mr. Anderson AYE
Mr. Kosel AYE
Mire Moaltman ARSENT
Mr. Gasic AYE
Located at 941 Hard Road. Applicant Jenny Z. is requesting SIGN
APPROVAL associated with the installation of two (2) 51.33SF front lit channel letter wall
mounted signs on a 1.2-acre parcel having SBL# 079.15-1-1.2 located in the HC High-Intensity
Commercial District under Section 265-7 of the Code of the Town of Webster.
Appearing betore the board was Chns McCarthy. | am filling in for Jenny. So, 1 am just here to
see if what Jenny submitted for her restaurant is acceptable. If not, I’m just here to collect the
information of what needs to happen because she’d really like to open this May. May 1°.
Yes, I have seen that they have been working over there and it looks good. So,
does that sign meet all the requirements Josh?
Yes, it fits within the allowable square footage and we’ re honoring a past variance that
had been granted to Bill Gray’s for having two signs on the building.
Are they going to get a variance for that?
No we ore honoring the Prewinns variance
Oh. ok. got it. For anyhody that’s interested, what this is. the China Buffet. it's
the old Bill Gray’s building so if you’re right on Facebook, get it right. Don’t put some crazy thing
in there. This has been on the books here for a little bit now and I guess it’s an oriental buffet
restaurant.
She sent me the menu so [cau caplain. So, it’s going lo be featuring a spectaculai
selection of foods. The hibachi grill; dessert collection; vegetarian and jumbo buffet,
including......largest restaurant in Webster in surrounding area and have good selection of Asian
Ativiicais Dulhei, alGlidlives for heatthy difeslyle cumpuded to Wie dica Wilh Teoli vogelubles,
topnings: dressings made fresh daily. Hibachi meats and mixed vegetables and we just sav fresh
Pg.8/ April /, 2U26 Planning Mecting
fruit and pastries for dessert.
Okay, is everybody okay with the sign.
Derek Anderson:
The Town of Webster Planning Board considered the request by applicant Jenny Z. to install
two, 51.33 sf front lit channel letter wall mounted signs for United Buffet located at 941 Hard
Road on a 1.2-acre parcel having SBL# 079.15-1-1.2.
The Planning Board classifies the proposed action to be a Type II Action under Section
617.5(c)(2) of the State Environmental Review (SEQR) Regulations and therefore is not subject
to further review.
RESOLUTION 26-010
Derek Anderson made a motion for TYPE II
SEQR which was seconded by Mark Giardina.
VOTE:
Mr. Casciani AYE
Mr. Malta AYE
Mr. Giardina AYE
Mr. Anderson AYE
Mr. Kosel AYE
Mrs. Malitman ABSENT
Mr, Gasic AYE
RESOLUTION 26-011
Dave Malta made a motion for SIGN
Located at 94) Hard Road.
Applicant Jenny Z. is requesting SIGN
APPROVAL associated with the installation
of two (2) 51.33SF front lit channel letter
wall mounted signs on a |.2-acre parcel
having SBL# 079.15-f-1.2 located in the HC
High-Intensity Commercial District under
Section 265-7 of the Code of the Town ol
Webster. which was seconded by Mark
Giardina.
VOTE:
Mr. Cusetini AYE
Mr. Malta AYE
Mr, Giardina AYE
Mr. Anderson AYE
Mr. Kosel AYE
ipeoo rpiti 7, 2UCO Pialiiing viecting
Mrs. Maltman ABSENT
Mr. Gasic AYE
Located at 1065 Ridge Road. Applicant Chris Ross is requesting SIGN
APPROVAL associated with the installation of a 23.35F internally illuminated channel letter wall
mounted sign on a |.83-acre parcel having SBL# 079.16-!-24.2] located in the HC High-Intensity
Commercial District under Section 2605-7 of the Code of the Lown of Webster.
Appearing before the board was Chris Ross.
This is the sign you want to put up; I guess.
Yee nleace
Okay, that was simple. What are you putting up, it’s an insurance company,
right?
Yes
And you are proposing a sign on the monument sign in the front and a sign on
the building. Correct.
That’s right.
And they meet the requirements, Josh, for size and the other one is already set
back on the existing.
Correct.
How’s this lit? Is it going to be lit?
Yes.
Well, you talk a Jot, too, don’t you. How are you lighting this, from the back.
] believe so, yes.
And these are the colors if actually ts, this red color.
Yes
Pg. s8Y April /, 2026 Pianning Mecung
Derek Anderson:
The Town of Webster Planning Board considered the request by Chris Ross to instal! a 23.33 sf
internally illuminated channel! letter wall mounted sign for State Farm located at 1065 Ridge
Road on a 1.83-acre parcel having SBL# 079.16-1-24.21.
lhe Planning Board classifies the proposed actton to be a L ype Il Action under Section
617.5(c)(2) of the State Environmental Review (SEQR) Regulations and therefore is not subject
to further review.
RESOLUTION 26-012 Derek Anderson made a motion for TYPE II
SEQR which was seconded by Dave Malta.
VOTE:
Mr. Casciani AYE
Mr. Malta AYE
Mr. Giardina AYE
Mr. Anderson AYE
Mr. Koscl AYE
Mrs. Maltman ABSENT
Mr. Gasic AYE
RESOLUTION 26-013 Dave Malta made a motion for SIGN
Located at 1065 Ridge Road.
Applicant Chris Ross is requesting SIGN
APPROVAL associated with the installation
of a 23.3SF internally illuminated channel
letter wall mounted sign on a 1.83-acre parcel
having SBL# 079.16-1-24.21 located in the
HC High-Intensity Commercial District
under Section 265-7 of the Code of the Town
of Webster which was seconded by Mark
Giardina.
The drawing says front lit. You asked spectfically if tt was back lit and the drawing
are saying front lit LED.
BOARD MEMBERS DISCUSSING PLANS REGARDING THE LIGHTING
But if you look at the drawing, it ts Lit from the back.
Just saying the drawings are saying front lit.
Pe. YU April /, 2U20 Pianning Mectng
No, you're right. It does say that. I don’t think that’s correct though.
Yes, I had vital signs design this so ideally, it’s supposed to be lit in the back.
Yes, inside.
Just make that part of the approval that the sign 1s back it.
CONDITIONS:
e Internal lighting only/2 signs. It has to be lit from inside because there’s no light
shing on it. So, it can’t be front lit.
It says at the top, front lit channel letters with LED illumination raceway
mounted
Yes, | see that. Alright, it conforms to what the code called is. So, I think
we're all right with it.
VOTE:
Mr. Casciani AYE
Mr. Malta AYE
Mr. Giardina AYE
Mr. Anderson AYE
Mr. Kosel AYE
Mrs. Maltman ABSENT
Mr. Gasic AYE
RG&E STATION 73: Located at 891 Klem Road. Applicant Eric Thorne is requesting
PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN APPROVAL (
PUBLIC HEARING
) in association with the
modernization of an existing RG&E electrical substation on a 0.77-acre parcel having SBL#
064, 14-2-17 located in the R-2 Single Family Residential District under Sections 269-11 and 350-
1! under the Code of the Town of Webster.
Appearine before the board was Marvy Steblein with J abella Associates and we are assisting RG&F
with permitting on this project. [ have with me Eric Thorne with RG& E and he ts the manager of
environmental programs and projects. So, we are here tonight in support of station
73. So. 1s a
modernization project on Klem Road. As you can see from the aerial image there, this is an existing
electrical substation, consisting of a yard, fence, and transformer, a small switch hear building,
driveway, and some grass lawn in a triangular shaped parcel.
We propose to construct the new expanded substation around the cxtsting substation which much
remain operational during construction in order to minimize any service disruptions. So, this
planned modernization and expansion of the existing substation will support upgrades to
transmission and distribution fines in the region, provide backup ciretuits, which will reduce
customer outages and support the growing electrical demand in the Penfield and Webster areas.
Pe. Yi April /, 2UZ0 Flanning Mecting
The proposed substation will include two pre-engineered metal buildings or metal-sided buildings
which are the gas insulated switch gear buildings. An additional third building which is a control
building, a transformer with an oil containment foundation that also is surrounded by a firewall on
three sides. New asphalt access to the substation yard and then the associated electrical vaults, hand
holes, duct backs, conduit trenches, the new stone substation yard, security fencing with vehicle
gates and associated lighting that are necessary for substation operation.
Lighting wil! consist of building mounted wall packs along with perimeter security lighting which
is on from dusk till dawn and then task lighting which is only used if they need to respond to work
in the non-daylight hours. Substations such as this are unmanned so there is no need for any sanitary
service, any water service or any trash disposal outside of that which is necessary during
construction. We know that screening will be an important component of this project. RG&E
senerally nrefers not to have vesetation around substations for safetv and security nurnoses but
based on feedback that was provided when we appeared before this board in October of 2024 for
sketch plan, a landscape plan had been provided in response to those comments.
Additionally, the fence was swapped out. Initially, we came in with a chain link fence. And the
feedback was provided and indicated to provide something maybe more decorative. So, that’s been
swapped out for a high security steel palisade fence, which is shown In the renderings. RG & E also
used input from the October and December 2024 sketch plan meetings that we attended to revise
(the materials used on the lagade ol the pre-engineered buildings to ury to blend in with the residential
nature of the area. And again, the renderings reflet the implementation of that input received, The
current design, when compared to that 2024 sketch plan also features a modified basement in the
building which allows the buildings in general to be not as tall as what was presented previously
and still include gabled roof without increasing the overall building profile.
We are requesting variances from the ZBA, and we have an application in with them. It is an
existing non-conforming lot in terms of minimum lot area. We would also need variances for the
front yard setback, the rear yard setback. And some of that is based on the unique shape of the
parcel as it is triangular. Also fence height and setback. According to the National Electrical Safety
Code, substations should have fences that are at least 7 {t tall which would exceed most codes and
that is for safety purposes to keep people out and keep people safe. As this site is less than an acre,
it’s .77 acres. it won't trigger the need for coverage under the SPREDYS construction general
permit. Though we do recognize that il triggers requirement from the Town of Webster, we
provided an erosion and sentiment control storm water pollution prevention pian.
We have received comments from Monroe County’s review. One of the comments was related to
the ag parcel that’s on the corner of Whiting Road and Klem Road because that’s within a certain
distance of proposed substation expansion parcel. And we also received their input about
considering the relationship with the Hojack Trail. J just wanted to follow up on that comment in
particular that we do not anticipate impacting vegetation along the trail. That existing natural buffer
would be maintained to the extent possible of the trees that are already there and the lower
vegetation (hats already there.
Pe. 92 April /, 2020 Pianning Miccung
We did not receive any specific feedback from the PRC, but we do look forward to the comments,
which I understand are intended to be speaking to the aesthetics of what was proposed. So, that’s
our summary and we look forward to your feedback.
Did you say that the facility 1s going to be unmanned.
Correct.
That means that there’s going to be no one there in case of vandalism or attempted
vandalism or anything like that.
That’s correct.
Yes, that correct. It’s an unmanned station. I can’t speak to the technical aspects of
the security. You know, as that’s not my forte, but it is an unmanned station but there is a relative
amount of due diligence by RG&E to make sure that impacts to the statton don’t occur and if they
do those will and can be flagged through systems that I am not fully aware of but it will be an
unmanned station but you know, being that we have the security fence around the station you know,
it’s not anticipated that we would be receiving much impact at this time.
What concerns me 1s whal i a tire breaks out inside the building.
The buildings do provide fire systems within the buildings themselves. And to my
knowledge, this is our standard practice, we do typically provide the local fire departments the
ability to understand what those systems are. And I do believe there are call alarms that go to those
fire services as well.
The buildings, you have done a nice improvement on the project from what you
first shared on it on the buildings. They look kind of boxy. It needs to be more residential. It’s
just a minor change, but.
So, when we met with the board back in October 20, standards, the
request from the hoard was to investiaate installing a cabled roof anto the huildines So. we did
work with out engineer here of the pre-manufactured buildings and design it in such a way that we
could incorporate the gabled roots to the possible...you know, without impacting the you know,
the overall structural integrity of the buildings themselves.
Anything to kind of basically make them look residential. It looks more
residential because they're quile tall. They’re setting up about 3 or 4 feet off the ground even.
Right. The wall around the actual building.
Yes, the basement is elevated about 3 feet above ground.
Anyway. something T think if you can consider doing that.
Pe. 93 Apr /¢, 2UZ6 Planning Mecting
Okay, we can take note.
To me that was the biggest thin. The fence I think you’ve done a great job. The
landscaping on the front. I think there were some questions. Did you have some Alex? These are
from the people from the friends of Webster Trails. They had some comments there that they sent
me today, so.
Yeah, I just want to take the time to read these into record. I’m trying to have
them addressed. (READ INTO RECORD-SEE ATTACHED FOR COMMENT SENT IN) This
is directly from them.
The plans do not appear to account for the adjacent Hojack Trail, which is a heavily used
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which RG&E actually wrote a letter of recommendation for this grant that we did for it.
So) The following issues must be addressed by the planning board to avoid significant
adverse impacts to the trail:
Encroachment on Hojack [rial during construction and operation
a. Will construction or operation of the substation require closure of the Hojack
Trail, even temporarily? Even temporary closure of the trail should be a non-
starter for the town.
Runoff and groundwater issues
a. The grade will be significantly increased/elevated on the site, and it appears
that water will be able to run south directly onto the newly resurfaced trail,
which already has drainage issues due to inadequate ditch maintenance
over the years. Please ensure adequate stormwater infrastructure is installed
sufficient to divert ALL runoff away from the Hijack Trail. A flooding trail
wouid be a terrible outcome.
Visual screening
a. Site plans show visual screening from the road but not from the adjacent
Hojack trail. Please add robust visual screening to shield the substation from
the trail.
Parking
Pp. Y+ April, 2020 Planning Mieclung
a. To mitigate the adverse impacts caused by proximity of an industrial facility
next to the trail, as a condition to the permit RGE should be required to
expand the proposed asphalt driveway/apron to create a public parking area
and trail head for the Hojack trail.
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submissions for consideration at the next planning board meeting.
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As far as the last comment, tabling it to address those, I think they can be
addressed and put in for final approval or something. I wouldn’t want to table this for something
like that.
] would agree. I was just reading directly what was sent to me,
| think one of the thing to also not that you know that portion of Hojack Trail based
on the boundary survey it’s RG&E’s property there. So, I think a more defined drainage ditch
between the substation and the trail to mitigate any impact to the drainage of the trail, you know,
would be helpful too.
(NOT SPEAKING LOUD ENOUGH) On the drawing though, 1t’s drainage plan, sheet
5 of the
8. On that corner that does get wet because 1 drove by the property today. That's the lower
part of the property. It does look like you have a reinforced concrete pipe there that would help to
increase the flow over to a . As Keith raised earlier with another project, I think you need
maintenance plan to assure that that’s inspected on a regular basis to prevent flooding. That way you
ensure that you have a conduit to remove that water.
Yes, just to speak to the drainage. Thanks for pointing that out. We have considered
the drainage in the overall design of the project. We are including a drainage culvert that gocs
underneath the proposed driveway pitched towards Klem Road and an intent to, with approval from
the ownership of the existing 8 inch culver that’s there on the property upgrade that inlet, storm inlet
to receive the surface drainage as il comes off of the proposed development of the property.
(NOT SPEAKING LOUD ENOUGH) [think the maintenance plan is important. It's
Forgotten how to sprinkle oul licte, so Ht rains really hard, culverts are going lo back up and gel
clogged and I think they need to inspect it on some regular basis. If | might, I'll just add one more
thing. From a storm water perspective, while you have a storm water and a dewatering plan, it’s
wicheat as to where atid wien you dew diced where til water vous. Su, dtuinig your CONSE UCIO
Py. Yo April /, 2020 Planning Mecling
phase, how are you going to manage water if it builds up in your excavations or in anything else
where you’ re currently constructing? Just one additional item along that same track. It’s a small
plot of land. You have a relatively large construction on that site and you’ re entering right onto
Klem Road. So, to avoid having mud and other debris build up on the road, it would
It is nice to have some type of plan to assure that the trucks entering and leaving the site go
onto a dry Pad so they’re not getting into those areas of excavation.
Sure, regarding that last item, the proposed driveway would also be utilized as a
construction entrance during the construction of the project. And it 1s our intent that all of the
construction traffic would be maintained within the RG&E parcel you know on that construction
entrance and you know onto the site development as the projects move forward. So, I don’t believe
that there’s an intent ta utilize the evicting roadway far van know canctrictian narking and traffic
So, one of the questions I had was ] understand you’ re trying to keep maintenance
down. Does the yard really have to go right up to the property lines? Especially, you know, the
neighbors to the east, you are I mean the yard is literally going right up to the property line and the
existing drainage pattern again goes west. Your proposed drainage pattern is pushing some of the
yard cast. And I’m concerned, you know, stmilar to what I mentioned, just like your drainage that’s
coming off of your yard into the neighbor’s property now to the east, how are you addressing that?
Since you're pulting the yard right up to the property line.
So, I guess 2 things. The proposed upgrades to the station are intended to be
constructed while the existing substation is energized. The existing substation understanding that
the existing fence is you know, right on the property line or near to the property line on the east in
order to maintain the necessary clearances that you know, we would need for the electrical
equipment. It was oriented in such a way to...and in also due to the unique lot being a triangular lot
it was proposed in such a way to you know, maximize the space while allowing for the clearances
to be met for the infrastructure. You know if it was tight or compact it wouldn’t facilitate
the expansion while the existing substation is energized and we would have to look at you know
taking out that existing substation you know which could have an impact on the you know, the
services that ate fed by that station. So, it was maximized in such a way to facilitate the upgrades
but you know impact the you know, the service that ts fed from the station
Based on the aerial you can see that you roughly 20 or so feet between the property
line and that existing fence of the substation that’s grass. Is there a reason that that can’t retain or
stay grass and then you put ina diversion swale for your yard to make sure that your proposed yard,
which is currently sheeting to the east is not impacting that neighbor.
Ente Thorne. Su, we can certainly look ad the drainage tow aids to the cast lo make sure Uiat out
Swales intended to capture that runoff as well. Understanding you know, we certainly don’t want to
flood out an adjacent neighbor. We are also utilizing the space to the east of the buildings as a turn
aod aieas We uiiglitally bad PE sepg ob vwtlli tlie otibsiaiion bias bias lwo ali Weweiyo li ziity iin
existing driveway and the newly nronosed driveway. In reaching out to Monroe County DOT. thev
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advised that we only utilize one driveway for the parcel. And to facilitate the impact, the
infrastructure necessary to complete the substation we’ re proposing that driveway on the side of the
parcel but in equipment around also if they’re on the you know, the off chance that there is to have
the room to that comes on an essentially on a, you know, a large trailer. We need to be able to have
the room to bring that infrastructure in to...bring the customers of the yard is designed for to allow
that turnaround area.
Yeah, I mean, I’|l be honest with you, it’s a very tight fit like you said, I don’t think
you're turning around a mobile substation within this yard. I think you’ re backing that in. So, if you
wouldn’t mind just looking at my concern. It’s really to the neighbor to the east on their property.
So, if we could evaluate that.
What ts the hase material in there. is that oravel?
It is 18 inches of gravel. If you could include signage onto your gates for contact
information.
That is standard practice.
I didn’t see it on the detail, but you could have that on the details as well. I would love
lo see some screening on the east side. lil be honest with you, to that neighbor, bul | know you did
a great job with the frontage but again, you’re just becoming basically a lot, impervious lot, and if
you can do anything for that neighbor to the east, ] think it will be appreciated.
We can look into that.
Alright, were there, Keith or Josh, were there....were you okay with things on
there.
My only comment regarding drainage, is you know essentially, it’s a table if you
will right, so right now there is a grade to property I kind of forget in which direction but now it's
kind of tabled off so and then that table is made up of 18 inches of gravel and another 6 inches of
fill oravel/sonl mix So. infiltration is caine to probably improve with that kind of a sittation over
draining to the adjacent neighbors. So that is why we....
But they are lifting it. It not as in...... it’s being lowered into the ground. This is being
built up. So, you're still going to be seeping out into the neighbor.
| believe i(1l be more of an infiltvation through and not necessarily across to the
neighbors in my professional opinion. The only question that I did have is there are a couple of
locations where you have splash blocks. So, how is that....how much water are we talking about
at the splash block locations and is it constant, What is the....you don’t have to answer it here but
Wwe Wil want some beller dideistuidiag of what's occuuing there, The other thing PH mention
about this property. if | was looking at the contours appropriately, it....his whole property sits
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about a foot below and maybe two feet below the Hojack trail itself. So, you know, again, it’s
lower than the trail itself as well. 1 think with the features that they’re showing here on their plan,
I think there is going to be some help migrating water to the catch basins and things where it needs
to go to help dry that out potentially.
We went through the letter, 1 think there was a comment in there about trying to
provide public parking on here tor the tratler. You could comment about that. Personally, 1 would
say, no. You don’t want to make this thing into an attractive nuisance. You don’t want people to start
poking around inside the station.
Yes, that correct.
Actnally it functions the wav it ic riaht naw — Ethink they’ ve ants few narkineg
spaces along the road periodically. You see a few cars parked along there. I think that’s adequate,
isn’t it?
There may be some cars parking up there, but I wouldn’t designate any public
parking on this spot.
No, I agree.
Private property that has a high voltage electrical .
Yeah, no question. What I’m referring to is along the shoulder of the road. They
have a few spots for parking.
It’s on the north side across from this.
The liability would be....
All right. Let me do this. Again, this is a public hearing so if there’s any
neighbors or anyone here wishing to speak either for or against this project, we invite you lo go up.
If there is no one here, we did receive a comment from the adjacent neighbor to the
East. tf you'd like me to read that. This is from John Saulsgiver pega
Jon Saulsgiver
Address:
897 Klem Rd 14580
Agenda Item or Topic you Substation 73 on Klem Rd.
are cammanting an
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Please type your
comments in the box
below:
First, this design looks much better than the last renderings we
were shown. We still have concerns about the amount of light that
the installation will emit into our neighborhood.
Second, we consider the following things to also be positive, as
compared to.tho.cxsiic sigue
1) the access drive will be much further from our house.
2) the transformer will be mostly hidden from view, and also
further from our house, lowering the electric field strength and
probably reducing the audible hum that exists now.
3) in general, it will look slightly less industrial than what's there
now.
We noticed that there will be plantings al! along Klem road, but
nothing along our shared property line. We would appreciate it if
we could have the same sort of plantings along the east
penmeter.
Anything that could possibly be done to reduce light podution here
would be appreciated.
Now, that fence along that east line, is that on the line, the fence, or you
In like a few feet or what.
| believe that it is set back 5 feet from the property line yes, 5.8 feet.
So, it is.
It’s not directly on the property line....
Okay, so then you do have an area so it would be appreciated I’m sure by the
neighbor with some landscaping in there. Include some of that maybe.
And to reiterate earlier, you had said that the only ime the lighting is on at the
Station was as if somebody was there doing work. It’s not continuous.
So, there is the perimeter lighting I] guess it’s security lighting. [guess ] wouldn't cail
it perimeter lighting and that would be at that end of the project located on the transformer wall on
the outside of the transformer wall, But according to the photometric that we provided. we're near
al nearly zero al the east property line.
And | will elaborate on the lighting. It does have an automatic dust to dawn function,
but there s also a manual tunetion as well. And its our current ment to set it as the manual luncuon
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so, at this point and time it’s not intended that the lighting would be on through the dust
to dawn duration.
(NOT CLEAR)
Alright, then we will close the public hearing. So, move on with it. And what
are we going to do, toiks? | kind of agree with Ketih with 15 inches of gravel. (hat’s almost like a
leech bed there. Yeah, I think that’s adequate for taking care of the water in that area for drainage.
As far as that letter that came, I gave it to you there. You just want to go....have you read it?
Yes.
Anthany Cacciani) Anv comments on tt
| think you know...nothing that we haven’t...... you know, covered already. In terms
of the screening, just want to reiterate, you know, we definitely understand the... you know, concerns
about the public usage of the Hojack Trail. We’ve designed it in such a way that the fence actually
follows the existing tree line inside of the tree line. So, as it is intended right now, we are not
anticipating necding to remove any of the existing vegetation. We certainly ... you know would keep
all the low growing vegetation you know...upon any such approval of the, you know, orientation,
we can certainly look to stake out some of he critical infrastructure and just do an assessment of
some of the, you know, the tallest maybe mature trees to make sure that there’s not a hazard that we
would, you know, have to do some sort of tree trimming to or something like that, But it’s not our
intention to remove the woody vegetation through there. You know, we’d like to keep it toa
minimum you know as much as possible. I haven’t actually walked the trail myself, so 1 don’t know
really what you can see.
Yeah, one of the concerns was the disruption of the trai! during construction.
I’m sure the trial will as the best of my knowledge right now from a construction
standpoint we would not be impacting the trail during construction so it can remain open because all
of our work ts going to be confined to that triangular parcel.
Alright, there were a few things that were brought up if we do move forward.
For resolution. recall what you had. Everybody had some good points they brought up. [| didn’t
get a chance to write them all down. So, just remember them. So, with that, if you want lo move
forward and do a SEQR.
Derek Anderson:
[TOWN OF WEBSTER PLANNING
BOARD RESOLUTION
MODERNIZATION OF AN EXISTING
SUS PAT DON UOF. ldec-
Py. HU April /, 2020 Planning Meeting
SEQR-. UNLISTED
ACTION 04/07/2026
MOTION FOR AN UNLISTED ACTION - NEGATIVE DECLARATION
The Town of Webster Planning Board considered the request by applicant, Eric
Thome to modernize an existing RG&E electrical substation located at 891 Klem
Road on a 0.77-acre parcel having SBL# 064.14-2-17 located in the R-2 Single
Family Residential District.
The Planning Board determines that the proposed action is an Unlisted Action.
ave Planning Board determined that the action is subject to a single agency review
mrrernant te Doet a7 CORN AN , af SPOR and the at ttt tha meet armen Inte nena Fre
i eran porte sapere ye
eanine the determination of significance. The Planning Board therefore designates
itself lead agency for the proposed action.
The Planning Board has considered the criteria for determining significance as set
forth in Section 617.7(c\(l} of SEQR, and has
1. considered the information contained in the Short Environmental Assessment
Form Part 1
dated March 16. 2026,
2. considered public comments directed to the Planning Board during the
Public Hearing on April! 7,2026,and
3. completed Parts 2 and 3 of the Environmental Assessment Form.
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT: RESOLVED that the TOWN OF WEBSTER
PLANNING BOARD
hereby determines that the proposed project will not have a significant adverse
effect on the environment for the reasons set forth in the attached Notice of
Determination of Non-Significance; be it further,
RESOLVED that the TOWN OF WEBSTER PLANNING BOARD is author ized
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hs Be hba tt adhe he ba ire Sit ae ~ eu ke pea an “ot Rhee bee ran ahi
discharec the TOWN OF WEBSTER PLANNING BOARD'S aera iiey as
lead agency for this action, be it further,
RESOLVED that the TOWN OF WEBSTER PLANNING BOARD, based on the
information and unalysis above, the referenced supporting documentation, and
discussions of the action by the TOWN OF WEBSTER PLANNING BOARD as
decumented by the Minutes lor tits meeting, that the proposed action WILL NO1
result in any significant environmental impacts, be it further,
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RESOLVED that the TOWN OF WEBSTER PLANNING BOARD, therefore makes
a DETERMINATION OF NON-SIGNIFICANCE, be it further,
RESOLVED, that the TOWN OF WEBSTER PLANNING BOARD, based on the
above reasons, issues a NEGATIVE DECLARATION as evidence of its
determination.
TOWN OF WEBSTER PLANNING BOARD RESOLUTION
MODERNIZATION OF AN EXISTING SUBSTATION 064. 14-2-17
UNLISTED ACTION 04/07/2026
NOTICE OF DETERMINATION OF NON-SIGNIFICANCE
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action, when compared against the criteria in Section 617.?(c):
The proposed action will not have a substantial adverse change in air
quality since it does not include a resulated emission saurce
The proposed action will not have a substantial adverse change in ground
or surlace water qualily or quantity since the proposed action does not
include on site wells or sentic systems
The proposed action will not have a substantial impact on water supply since
it will not connect to the public water system which has adequate capacity to
supply the action.
The proposed action will not have a substantial impact on the sanitary
sewer system since it will not connect to the public sewer system which has
adequate capacity to convey wastewater from the site.
The proposed action will not have a substantial adverse change in potential
for erosion,
flooding, leaching or drainage problems. Construction practices will conform
to accepted storm water management and controls.
The proposed action will not have a substantial adverse change in
existing sotid waste production since the proposed action does not
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compared to the similar establishments.
The proposed action will not have a substantial adverse change in existing
noise, odor or light since the structures are consistent with the character of
the surrounding area and includes downward directed exterior lighting. A
temporary increase in noise levels consistent with normal construction
activities ts anticipated during constriction
[he proposed action will not have a substantial adverse change, or
cumulative change in traffic since the proposed action provides internal
traffic coniro! that prevents stacking on public thoroughfares.
Phe proposed action will not have a substantial adverse impact on the
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criteria listed under Section 617.7(c)(DUi) of SEOR because no habitats
or threatened or cndanger species were identified on or conliguous to the
proposed site.
IG. The proposed action ts not located in an area designated as a Critical
hi.
12.
14. Environmental Area by the Town of Webster or New York State pursuant to
subdivision O17.14(2) of SEQR.
The proposed acuon ty Holi midland Comiict with the Lown ol Webster
2008 Comprehensive Plan.
The proposed action will not create an impairment of the criteria listed
under Section 617.7(c)(I)(v) of SEQR since the action is not located in or
adjacent to the listed resources and is in character with the surrounding
community.
The action will not result ina maior chance in the tyne or use of enero
since the action does not require an upgrade to the electrical distribution
system.
The action will not create a hazard to human health since it does not
contain nor is it located adjacent to existing sources of hazardous
substances or contaminants. The project includes engineering controls
that help prevent the release of cleaning solutions off the site.
OWN OF WEBSTER PLANNING BOARD
RESOLUTION MODERNIZATION OF AN EXISTING
SUBSTATION 064, 14-2-17
UNLISTED ACTION 04/07/2026
15. The action will not create a substantial change in use of the land since it consists of the
types of structures already located in the overall commercial development. The action is
consistent with the existing community character, and the Town of Webster 2008
Comprehensive Plan.
16. The action will not attract a large number of people for more than a few days when compared
to taking no action since the action since the action, by ils design, is a drive through structure
with limited parking.
17. The action will not create acumulative impact on the environment as listed under
617.7(c)XDCX),CxD, and (xii) of SEQR.
SOLUTION 26-014 Derek Anderson made a motion for TYPE IT
SEQR which was seconded hy Mark Giardina
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VOTE:
Mr. Casciani AYE
Mr. Malta AYE
Mr. Giardina AYE
Mr. Anderson AYE
Mr. Kosel AYE
Mrs. Maltman ABSEN I
Mr. Gasic AYE
So, this is only in for preliminary approval. Engineering, everybody’s okay
with moving. All right, we’re good. All right,
RESOLUTION 26 O15
PRELIMINARY APPROVAL CHECKLIST
Subject io PRC Comments
YaYwNo
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by the Town of Webster.
= een
matt an fos ”
made 2
Located
at 891 Klem Road. Applicant Eric Thorne is
requesting PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN
APPROVAL in association with the
modemization of an existing RG&E
electrical substation on a 0.77-acre parcel
having SBL# 064.14-2-17 located in the R-2
Single Family Residential District under
Sections 269-11 and 350-11 under the Code
of the Town of Webster which was
seconded by Mark Giardina.
Subject to a Letter of Credit posted with the Town of Webster.
Subject to Monroe County Water Authority comments
Subject to the determination of the ZBA for requested variances.
Address any land to be conveyed to the Town.
All roadway construction to be in accordance with the specification and regulations set forth
All sitework is to be in compliance with the standards of the Town of Webster.
Preserve all mature lives on site, where pussible
Address drainage, lighting, signage. and landscaping. buffering. berming and snow storage.
0. The landscape, hardscape, site accessories, and associated finished grading design for the
development must be prepared by a NYS licensed Landscape Architect. The final landscape
plans shall bear the seal and signature of the Landscape Architect.
We got a bunch of drawings here. So, do we have just a project number?
What is your project number? Labella’s project number.
11. Approvals are subject to Prawine No:73-003-08 77110865
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Okay, so add on what was discussed.
One of the things that | mentioned earlier to pul on the motion is consider the
hip roof vs the gable ends. And your roof, trom the looks of the roof, the way it’s designed, you
have gutters on there, They look like they’re almost flush with the outside of the building, the end
of the roof.
Right now, | don t think, you Know, gulters are shown in the detail on there, but we
can bring that back to our engineer.
All right. They may not need them. I don’t know. Maybe they’re just
proposing |] sheet down or what that could be. But anyways, biggest thing is ’m suggesting is
the hip roofs on there. Mentioned about landscaping to the adjoining neighbor to the east.
Somebody brought that. Anybody has anything that you did bring up? We didn’t write it down or
anvthine And it’s on recorded but we dan’t have the recordina richt naw Derek vou had a counle
comments.
(NOT SPEAKING LOUD ENOUGH) Mine was really just about making sure
that it’s not public parking.
(NOT SPEAKING LOOUD ENOUGH) So, the maintenance plan for storm water
that culver doesn’t get blocked up and water does flow properly and then some type of plan for
how you manage the construction vehicles so tront road doesn't get tilled with water in the event
that you are working in there and vehicles to leave. And then how’s the dewatered?
Wait, we want to put this into a motion. So, this is not a question type.
So those are the things I want to put into il.
Just give me the short version of it so she can get it, you know.
So, a maintenance plan for storm water; a management plan during construction to
assure that construction vehicles don’t drag a lot of mud and debris out into the road. And then a
plan for managing water that’s dewatered out of excavations or other areas of construction.
VOTE:
Mr. Casciani AYE
Mr. Malta AYE
Mr. Giardina AYE
Mr. Anderson AYE
Mr. Kosel AYE
Mrs. Mallman ABSENT
Mr. Gasic AYE
Anthony Casciani. Okay, we ale good for prelimiaaly approval. We've gui sone iifuration ty
deal with there and hopefully come back for final and we're all set.
Pe. UD Apri /, 2U20 Planning Wieeting
7-BREW: Located at Hard Road. Applicant Brew Team NY, LLC/Doug Beachel is requesting
PREMILINARY SITE PLAN APPROVAL (
PUBLIC HEARING
) in association with the
development of a 510 SF prefabricated double drive through only coffee stand on a 0.73-acre parcel
having SBL# 079.15-1-1.313 located in the HC High Intensity District under Sections 269-11 and
350-19 under the Code of the Town of Webster.
TABLED TO MAY 5, 2026 MEETING
Located at 139 Caracas Dr. Applicant Katei Soscia is requesting
SITE PLAN AMENDEMENTS in association with a revised 5.2 MW Solar Generation Facility,
including approximately 8,800 solar panels, and 16 inverters on a 19-acre portion of a 120-acre
lot owned by Xerox Corporation having SBL# 065.02-1-40.111 focated in the IN Industrial
re ere ee ea
Appearing before the board was Katie Soscia. Thank you guys for having me here tonight. I’m
here seeking a site plan amendment for the solar farm that’s proposed on the Xerox Campus. The
only site plan amendment that we are changing or that we are requesting to be approved is that we
are removing the solar panels off of the asphalt cap. That is a deduction of about a little over 2,000
panels and a loss of about 1.4 megawatts to the project.
Means and methods are staying the same. Construction wise, landscaping plan is not changing,
That is really the only change. There’s also going to be a deduction of the number of inverters.
Originally there were 18, now there are 16 proposed. I’m happy to answer any questions that the
board has.
Any questions. I know this was at the town board the other night and it received
an approval. We had sent them the information. They approved it and it’s back here with a
modification to what was originally approved by this board.
So, the modification is just a reduction off of the cap.
Correct, yes. And the number of inverters.
Anybody? Then ] am going to take it so that we are all okay with it.
I do have one question. One of the requirements that the planning board had issued
as part of the project approval was a 1.5 inches of asphalt on top of the cap. Since the project is
removing it off of the cap, we were wondering if that requirement could be removed as well.
Good question. HP there's nothing going on it and that was the reasun the asphiali
was put on there was to accommodate the additional work that was going to be done on that. If that
work isn’t going to be done. What is the sense of capping it.
Well Tthink mere inmmoertantly is the condition af the existing can) Tmean if the
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cap is intended to keep moisture out from the landfill below so that if it’s necessary to repave it to
maintain the seal on it, then you know that requirement would still need to be there.
Wendy Latco from Environmental Health and Safety and Xerox. So, that entire site is under a part
373 permit by the DEC and maintenance of that cap is part of that permit. So, you know in the
absence of the solar project impacting it, all you know, jurisdiction over that will revert to the DEC
and we ot course will continue to tollow their requirements tor maintenance ot the cap.
So, just making sure no construction activity will utilize the cap.
No construction activity, no staging, nothing being set on top of the cap. We’re
actually going to let the fence remain in place there because there is no sense in taking it down.
Chairman Vhave one more thing The ather request that Twas ening ta make i< if we conld undate
the one-year approval from the final site plan to today to the site plan amendment date for...
Oh, I see what you’re saying, yes. Okay, that makes sense. Alright,
I will make a motion that we grant the approval to the Webster Solar Garden based on the
revisions presented to the Town Board and I would say eliminating the asphalt cap on there and
that’s to be name.,...that is under the jurisdiction of DEC approval through Xerox.
We re not going to clarity that. We re not going to eliminate the cap.
Yeah, eliminate the inch and half topping that was proposed. I’m sorry.
RESOLUTION 26-016 Anthony Casciani made a motion for
SITE PLAN AMENDEMENTS
AND EXTENTION Located at 139
Caracas Dr. Applicant Katei Soscia is
requesting SITE PLAN
AMENDEMENTS AND
EXTENTION in association with a
revised 5.2 MW Solar Generation
Facilitv. incliding appraximately
8,800 solar panels, and [6 inverters
ona 19-acre portion of a 120-acre tot
owned by Xerox Corporation having
SBL# 065.02-1-40.111 located in
the IN Industrial District under
Sections 155-5D (4), 269-10 and
350.22 of the Code of the Town of
Webster which was seconded by
Dave Malta.
Fy. lOf April /, 2026 Planning Meeting
[
Well, I was not here in January, I was out of country at that point. And
as an overall project, I would say no.
VOTE:
Mr. Casciani AYE
Mr. Malta AYE
Nit. Giardina ABSTAIN
Mr. Anderson NAY
Mr. Kosel AYE
Mrs. Maltman ABSENT
Mr. Gasic AYE
Ewill also make a motion that we extend the meanineful construction. .
significant construction to commence within one year from this date which would be April 7" ,
2027.
Okay, we have update for the communication code.
ADMINISTRATIVE MATTER:
¢ Verizon Wireless Communication fower Update
Laura Smith with Nixon Peabody and I’m joined with Jeff Skolnick (DID NOT SIGN IN) of
NBNC, Tim Zarnki (DID NOT SIGN IN) of Verizon, and Kathy Pomponi (DID NOT SIGN IN)
of Verizon and together we’re representing this application.
As noted, we were before this planning board on March 3" at your previous March meeting
where we discussed the proposal for a 125 ft monopole tower to be constructed at the corner
essentially of Lake Ave and County Line Road. The site is located in the town’s large lot single
family residential zoning district and is permitted by a special permit and site plan approval
from this planning board.
At the March 3™ meeting. my colleague Bob Buredorf. he noted that Verizon is able to be
located at anywhere within the search ring that was presented to the planning board in exhibit G
of our original application. Upon the planning boards request, however, we did look into two
additional locations. One is a location H that was sown on a map that was submitted on March
31* submission to the planning board. That’s exhibit..../’m sorry, location H was in the
southwest corner of the map. It is butting up against that forest area on the border of the
agricultural use as well as exhibit [ which is essentially mirroring that location on the other side
of County Line Road. With the planning boards request to took into it, we did in fact reach back
out to the landlord and the landlord declined allowing us to move the leased premises. I'll note
as a baseline, we can’t force a landlord to lease to us. So, a sheer declining to lease to us is
sufficient tu rule Ghat out as a possible dlermative site. However, P will not that the hindlord
provided a letter to the planning hoard explaining hts reasoning. which we verv much appreciate.
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Usually, we just get no. So, it’s nice to the get the reasoning from the landlord. And as noted in
that reasoning from the landlord, the area that is actively farmed agricultural are under private
and public conservation restrictions as well as the realities of a working farm don’t make it
hospitable to having a cell phone tower back in the trees.
So, after going again back to the landlord to ask if we could move the sites to the two sites
idenufied by the planning board, we also pushed our RF consultant who's here, ‘lim Zarnaki
(DID NOT SIGN IN) to confirm that there were no sites located outside the search ring that
would work from an RG perspective. He again scrubbed the site from an RF perspective and
confirmed that the search area that was presented to the planning board and presented as part of
this application is the tightest search area that would meet his RG needs.
We nrecented that infarmation in March 31 ct cunnlement that wac nrovided to the nlanninag
board. In the interim between that supplement and tonight’s meeting, we asked NBNC to do
another scrub of neighboring properties to confirm although RF said we cannot be one property
out of the search ring or I’m sorry, the search area to confirm were there other viable sites froma
site acquisition perspective. With that, it was noted that majority of the properties along Lake
Ave, I’m sorry, Lake Road, are smaller residential properties or residential properties and are not
available for a cell phone tower lease. And then also noted on the map that was presented, |
think quite clearly in the March 31" presentation, there’s quite a bit of wetlands and creek area
around thal area. So, It’s really impeding where a cell phone tower can go within that search
area,
And then poor Tim as he'll present...we asked him to check again, and with that he was able to
present a visual presentation that once I turn if over to Tim, he'll walk you through the visual
presentation to help really set the tone or set the scene that we really cannot be outside of that
search area. The reason why the search area is so important and why Tim is going to walk you
through this presentation is because Verizon is considered a public utilily for zoning purposes in
New York State. So, in order to demonstrate that we meet the public necessity standard, we have
to demonstrate that there is a significant gap in coverage that this proposal remedies that gap in
coverage and that it’s the most feasible solution to remedy the gap in coverage.
Pil not for the first two items, that there are gaps in service That information is provided toa you
in exhibit F. That is the RG analysis that was first proposed and OR first presented by Bob. If
you have the application in front of you, PI note. you know, page 18 and 19 really tell a
compelling story to show the existing midband network within the search area and the
surrounding areas that we area attempting to service. And then the next page, page 19 that
demonstrates thal this remedy, this tower, is the remedy that will serve that that coverage gap.
To demonstrate the facility is the most feasible. We are always happy to look at alternative
sites. That is the process that we did going back to the landlord. This process that we did
scrubbing the site, you know, we really, we really pushed everyone quite hard to see are there
any alternatives sites that Verizon may locate this tower and the answer that has been coming
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hearing at the May meeting, this site is a goad focatton to locate the cell phone...the cell tower
within the search area. There's no residential houses on it. It’s a clean space that already has
significant amounts of utility wires and utility poles. It is visually cluttered currently. It's not an
open field or open vista. As noted in the visual environmental assessment addendum that is
provided in the packet, there are no significant natural resources in the surrounding area. And the
top of the tower wili be visible from other locations 1n the search area. So, the concept of being
able to move the tower to avoid the aesthetic impacts of having a tall tower, it cannot be
remedied. So, we ask the board to consider those and them I’m going to invite Tim up to give a
presentation. And we’ ll be providing this in a letter to supplement the record.
I am an RG Engineer with Verizon Wireless. I am here to explain how
propagation studies that we run that show coverage search area works and how we come about
them What hannenc ic we have either nranaention studies that we rin that chau roversce hates
or we have traffic problems that arise where sites are getting overloaded with traffic that can no
longer with stand the amount of people getting on them. So, then we’re asked, hey, we need a
site, what can you do for us? We take that existing propagations and we’ ll get into that I guess
but we’ll take the existing propagations and find an area where can we go? We'll look at
AMSLS, sea levels. We’ll look at, kind of hills, mountains, whatever is in the area. Where do
we need to find and target the areca where we’re going to get the best coverage to cithcr offload
or add service. We will do that by out propagation studies, or we have a tool that we use called
ALL that we dig through. We, you know, run these propagation studies, tind where we need to
g0, find out what heights we can do because AMSL wil! matter. If we have a 50 foot AMSL for
100 foot, that can make a difference in how far we need to go up on our tower.
We'll take that and we do into the design of that site and once we create an area where we know
we can go to based on those, we'll hand it off lo our site acquisition company say this is a search
area. This is where the general area we need to go in based on AMSL and a 125 ft tower. At
that point they go, they scrub the ring they come back to us with property owners that are
interested, not interested where we can go and we’ll take that and then now we’ll design the
site. Will design the site say you know if we get 50 foot AMSL we know we need 75 or 100 foot
or [25 foot tower to meet those AMSL plus center lines going through those.
So. we developed the search rine we added the area we don’t look at wetlands, we dan’t lank ata
lot of stuff, we just look at T need a site in this area. So unfortunately, site act gets caught up with
finding the feasible landscapes that we can go into and then when we look through these. we
make our design and we try to fit them into our network system and make that work. So, in this
area, as you can see here, we ended up on the far west side of our search area. We're basing the
search area on the coverage of our existing site to the west, which is four mile creek. And then
to the cast. we have Ganey. If you look at the search area in this, and 1 think this is up here
before... you look at ou scarch area here, we're basically cight in the middie of thuse lwo
siles. We’re focusing on the middle of these two sites. We’re trying to find that area, weakest
coverage and where we’re getling some traffic. The weak area actually causes a heavier burden
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site has to work harder to work with each other. So, we're looking to fill those holes right in the
middle and you can see we’re pretty much in the center of that area.
We did look at the extra sites. We had, you know, landlords said no to a couple of them. So, we
looked at them, but they were rejected or declined at that point anyways. I know we looked at
another one that was just to the northeast. Northeast of our area. Looking at that, we came across
and found that it's just in not tar enough east. it s encroaching on the coverage ot our four mile
creek road. We are not getting what we need out of it; we’ll be back for another tower or if we
go to thal northeast site or northwest site. So, you know, we're always looking to stay in the
center of where we're covering and going after those areas.
I guess we can kind of go into some of the supplemental. If you look at page four, it kind of
shows this is our propagation study of the two sites Ganev and Four Mile Creek You can see
there’s our search area basically centrally located between those two sites. We’re on the west
side of it, so we, you know, definitely went as far west about as we can really go in those. We’re
open obviously for areas we can find, but that’s what we had a jandlord. That’s where we looked
and that’s what we got. If you go to page 5, or ...fives not in here, page six and seven. This is
kind of a unique view of how we look at these things sometimes as well. You can see on page
six. That's coverage from Four Mile Creck extending across the area. And you could see if we
went to the northeast, we’d be really encroaching on that coverage. We wouldn’t be getting
central area and get taking care ol both the sites that we need that we re trying to oftload slash
add coverage onto. Then if you look at page seven, that ‘s the opposite. That’s gonna ......you
can see that Ganey is kind of barley reaching to the search area, which again, this is why we
made the search area where it is. We’re trying to find that center point of the two sites and
equally offload the two sites I think that’s all I’ve got for now. Are there any questions?
Yeah, I’ve got a couple of them. I spoke with Mr. Burgdoff the other day.
Quite the lengthy conversation I had with him. I suggested maybe his firm or you folks, could
possibly contact the association that Mr. is involved with because he’s not talking in
his letter. Apparently, he gets grants or there’s soil bank or whatever he puts the money, you
know, he’s getting money for the property by not allowing building and so on and so forth.
Whatever the program is, I don’t know and I don’t care. However, my guess is if somebody
contacted this outfit. this firm or this oreanization T think Cornell Cooperative is part of it alsa
but whatever. Contacting them and trying to make an arrangement to say, Look, we’re not going
to put a building. we're not putting a barn. We’re not pulting anything on this property. Its a
simple cell tower going back there. And my suggestion at that meeting, the last mecting, was to
put it not into the woods, but by the woods as close as possible to it. Get it back where that
roadway that the owner of the property has his driveway comes right off of County Line Road.
It goes right back to that area. Now, I understand what you're saying, Well, it might be a little
bit too far and it does t receive. And Pim looking at if you puta straight dine from where four
mile creek is to Ganey, it’s almost a straight line with il. There’s no jog.
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I think what happened here, | think they picked a spot and said look we got that corner, drew the
circle and said this is where it fits. That’s my opinion. [think this....] am not happy with it
going there. I don’t think anyone is and I still think somebody needs to investigate a better
location for that.
PI give a quick comment and appreciated the conversation with Bob. We did go
back to the landlord, and we asked if he would be open to have that discusston with the agencies
with whom he’s contracted. He has declined. I'll note, 1 don’t know the type of agreement, nor
have I reviewed the agreement, but I am familiar with conservation easements and similar
language, and they are meant to be prohibitive of development. So, I, you know, candidly again,
Edon’t have experience with a particular contract or a program that he’s under, but it is not
surprising to me that a conservation easement or a similar type of contractual conservation
oblications and protocol would prohibit the type of development that were seekine here
Well, I don’t have a solution for it then. And [ll tell you right now, it comes
in, ’'m not going to vote in favor of it, and I know what the situation is. The government says we
can do it one way or the other. Then you’re going to have to meet in my regard. You'd have to
take that route. It’s up to the board though because I will definitely not support it going ona
corner like that. I’ve been here from the first cel! tower that came into Webster years ago and
we have been able to manipulate, maneuver, and change locations of them. Get them
somewhere where they re al least conspicuous or concealed lo protect anybody in the
neighborhood and this couldn’t get any worse.
According to the code you know, we can impose some reasonable restrictions
related to where you’ re putting this property, but you seem to be limiting us just to where you’ ve
already put it. So, I don’t know if you could talk to the owner buit giving us one particular area
rather than giving us an area that is the least adverse to the visual effect. So, I believe probably
some of the people that are here on the lake and you know, it kind of limits what potentially this
board would be willing to do. I mean, the code allows us to at least, we’re not saying we can’t
have the project, but at least have us have options, and it doesn’t appear there are any other
options than putting if where you put it on your plan. And I don’t think it’s necessarily positive
for the project, but potentially...............
in Mr. Cohen’s letter just right here:
Finally, the location of the tower on active farm property will create operational
inefficiencies. A commercial apple farm is a very busy place to work and live. People,
equipment, and harvested produce all need to be able to move.
What the hell is acell tower going to inffinge on that? Can you tell me that.
I] can’t.
This frustrates me.
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I hear you, but J think, you know, candidly from us as tenants perspective, we can
only go where the landlord allows us to go. If we were allowed to pick where we were going to
go. You know, I’m not sure where in this circle would be the most ideal, but you know,
certainly we are receptive to the board’s responses. We want to be in a location that works well
for the town and works well for Verizon’s RF needs. We share your frustration that this is the
only location that is avatlable within our search area that will remedy the coverage gap. If there
was another alternative site, we would welcome it. Again, as Bob point out in the prior meeting,
we don’t care where we are within the search ring. We just need to be within the search ring ina
location that works. We can get out height. There’s no unreasonable delay and no unreasonable
cost. We want to be in the search ring.
When I spoke with him, I mentioned, you know, by putting it back into that
area where I was referring to. he said it might be too far awav it wouldn’t work. Tsaid T don’t
know that much about the towers, but maybe you have to get an extra five or 10 foot because if
it’s back there, I don’t think anybody’s going to know five or 10 foot higher on a tower. So, and
I’m seeing this as....the owner of the property and he’s....he’ll get the revenue from it but not
willing to cooperate with it. And I have an issue with it. It’s a busy road. It’s one of the
most...itis probably one of the most attractive routes through Monroe County along Lake Road.
And to see that cell tower there. I’m opposed to it. Bottomline. | think the farmer said, “Well,
you know, Ill give you the spot there and then they drew the circle. End of story, I’m done.
Okay. And I don’t mean to be contrary or to push back but, as Tim described, is it
almost a blind choosing of where the search area will be, and it’s based solely on the RF
coverage. If I may ask to pull up that supplemental material. | think two pages above. I think
two pages above I find very digestible as a non-engineer, you know that’s the search area that
Verizon is trying to solve. You see the four mile creek coverage to the west, you sce Ganey
coverage to the east. That area in the middle is where the coverage gap is. It is not based on
what the parcels look like. And in fact, it is not until after Tim and his team identify where the
coverage gap is that the site selection analyst goes out and even asks people. So, you know, I will
push back on the concept that we had this site and found a problem to solve. Instead, the process
is we locate this or identify the gap in coverage. We identify the appropriate remedy to remedy
that gap in coverage and then we scrub the site to look for potential landlords that would host us
in that area. Here. that is the only landlord that was willing to enter into a lease with us. That ts
the only location the landlord is willing to lease to us on his property. You know, | appreciate the
concerns or push backs or what the landlord should or should not be considering, but you know,
candidly, it’s his property. He can decide where were going to go. To the extent he’s limited us
to A and he’s provided actually a very good reasons to limit us to A when candidly no reasons
are needed. You know, we share your frustration that we can’t be somewhere else in the site, but
that is....there are no alternative sites that are within the search area that will remedy the
coverage gap.
So, I just had some....... Couple quick questions. ] agree with Tony and Tony’s
frustration. Secis like we're almost boxed insight ow aud Pi just proposing some oul of the
box thinking. You can let me know if that’s something that we cannot do. So, it seems like the
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limitation is really the search ring and there’s parameters that go into defining the search ring.
One of the things that Tony mentioned was what if we were to consider a tall tower? Does the
search ring widen potentially given you more opportunity to locate different is that something
you could look into if we were to increase it by another 10 feet or what to give you the flexibility
to maybe consider other parceis and modify the search ring.
fim Zarnicki: We designed the tower based on the existing coverage around. So, you’ ve got
Ganey and four mile creek. So, we designed something that kind of fits in there. We keep going
taller. What’s going to end up happening is we're going to cause interference to those sites.
Now the taller you get the farther the site propagates causes and gets in stronger and then it just
causes interference. We would have to do a lot of strange things to optimize the system that may
or may not work right.
The other thing, in your initial application you had identified candidate E, last
name Roberts, candidate C, last name Smith which are in Wayne County as no interest.
Personally, I’m just curious, is that no interest based on a lease dollar amount that you were
offering? If you were to increase it, would there be interest potentially. You know, I’m just
curious if itis something that is negotiable with the landowner and then you know, again, out of
the box thinking, with the Johnson’s with their concerns there, do they have relationship with the
Smith family or the Roberts family there? Because those are both wooded lots unoccupied that
maybe they could build that rapporv/relauionship tor them to reconsider relocating the proyect
onto those properties because again, they’re more in wooded areas away from their land too
because there’s a concern that it’s currently right in front of their house.
That is site acquisition.
Just throwing it out there as out of the box thinking.
Anybody else. Any questions or whatever. What do you fellas think?
am with Network Building Consulting. Were the real estate consulting As these
guys said, | mean, we don’t start our work on the ground until they define an area that we need to
he in. We looked at those candidates. There’s a lot of wavs to talk with a land owner and try to
get them on board. None of that. 1 mean, some people just don’t want a cell tower on their
property. We can have a lot of conversations with them. We can have a lot of conversations
with you, but some people just don’t want it. We engage, we discuss, we go back and forth, we
answer questions with these land owners, and at the end of the day, they just aren’t interested.
That is pretty much all we can do,
Suppose, just suppose the distance between four mile creek and out in
Ontario and suppose you put two smaller towers in on other properties. In other words, instead
of putting a 125 foot or 30 foot tower, you pul two 100 foot towers, 90 foot, whatever, I don’t
huow, someplace in between to stretch the signal Dhave no idea what Pin lilking about. Pan...
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It wouldn't be two towers by the way this gap is drawn in here. It would
probably be four to provide that same coverage.
And I certainly don’t want to speak for Tim from an RG perspective but correctly
noted where we’ re looking at these towers, it is solving a problem between two towers so to
expand that area or move a tower closer to the towers that we're trying to solve the cover gap
coverage trom would bring interterence with the neighboring towers. 1’! also not you know
while we do appreciate alternative sites or alternative locations you know we are limited to
finding solutions without unreasonable costs and unreasonable delay. So, to the extent of
building two towers to solve a solution from a technological point of view having one tower in
the middle is ideal. You know, we would have to consider that from a cost perspective.
Anthanvyv Casciant Tran understand that hut Pm lankine at in far the residents in the
neighborhood. If I lived there, I wouldn’t want it either. So, cost is one thing and aesthetics in
the neighborhood is another.
And one thing I will note, to the board, we see this time and time and again with
Planning Boards is discussion about landscaping or are there ways we could mitigate the visual
impact of the equipment on the ground. You know, the tower will be the height that is but there
are landscaping choices or fencing choices that can be done to help alleviate the visuals on the
ground.
Please don’t come up with a 125 foot phony tree on.
You know, people have asked that in the middle of the field. They say, “Well, can
it be a monopine?” You say, it can be, of course, but to have a single uh cell phone tower looking
like a tree in the middle of the field might not be the aesthetic.
I don’t know. But I just feel there’s got to be a solution to make this work in
everybody’s best interest .
Kathy Pomponi (DID NOT SIGN IN): Iam the Project Manager. I just wanted to kind of tell
you T can appreciate you were here for the first cell phone towers in the Town of Webster Just
wanted to explain, back then, | mean F’ ve been doing this for 33 years, so | was involved with
some of that as well. Back then we had more flexibility as (o where we could put because we
didn’t have existing infrastructure in place. So, now that there is existing infrastructure around
where these coverage needs are, the search areas are becoming smaller, tighter, right? That that is
the reason why. I don’t want you to think that we’re appearing to be unreasonable. We're trying
to work with you. We're frustrated, too. But that is the reason why back then there was more
Meaibility. The search areas were larger. We had more fleaibility as we could put where we
could put out initial infrastructure is in place, it’s much more limited as to where we can be to
solve the problem because that infrastructure exists around it. Does that make sense?
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It does but on the other side of the coin, since those days back there in ancient
history, there’s new developments have come in too.
Kathy Pomponi (DID NOT SIGN IN): But those are the communities that we’re trying to serve.
Those are exactly the communities that we're trying to serve,
sven Vetter: (NOL SPEAKING LOUD ENOUGH) | m not a telecommunications expert by any
stretch folks but it seems like there’s a proliferation of new towers. Like we have a couple of
them that were being considered for this town already. And the ownership shouldn’t be on us to
always find the new locations. You should accept some of the responsibility to modify your
equipment to increase your coverage. And | think that there should be a balance.
Kathy Pomnoni (DID NOT SIGN IN: Well we ahwave trv to modify the equinment an evicting
infrastructure first. I mean, of course, we would do that. We know that these are not popular.
We wouldn’t be here if it wasn’t needed. If there was another way to solve this, we would do it.
Even with height? It was suggested to increase the height of this one, but it would
interfere with the other two. If you increase the height of the other two, would it solve this
coverage?
Kathy Pompont (DID NOT SIGN IN): No
The problem is when you start assuming height variations in existing equipment
A, that’s a whole lot of work and effort to be done in an existing tower. Can the tower actually
take that height so that means we have to get a whole set of you know rebuilding the tower
basically but then if you look at where these siles are (hey’re pretty close to the lake when we get
too high close to the lake, we have to be concerned about interfering with Canada. Canada uses
the same frequencies as we do and if we proliferate across the lake, we’re going to interfere with
them then we’re going to have all sorts of really big FCC issues if we do that, so we have to
maintain a proper heights for proper coverages. You know the balance is tricky with what I do
and we’re always playing with what is the right height and what can we get away with, so 1 don’t
come in here lightly with these things. | know you know these....we’re not well liked with doing
these things but we’re doing it for a reasan because everyhady’s using cell phones. We need
coverage. We need to get to the areas we need to get to.
(NOT SPEAKING LOUD ENOUGH AND NOT USING THE MIC) 1 appreciate
the technical discussion. Happy to have it. But the other thing that when T look at this, the circle
looks to be idealized and the location that you’ ve picked is on the western edge of that idealized.
Can that circle shift?) And how much do you....if you shifted that circle a little bit to the cast
and inte the south, would you pick up other additenal propeities thal may be potential foi
leasing’? And how much would you lose in the event?
I don’t know property wise. That’s something that they’d have to scrub.
Kathy Pomnont (DID NOT SIGN IN): It wasn’t really our question that T think
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| think Bob looked at quile a bit of those things and there wasn't anything in
there other than this spot. He did review that.
EVERYONE SPEAKING AT THE SAME TIME. APPLICANT WAS ATTEMPTING TO
SPEAK.
We looked at the map actually. We actually had the map in tront of us
looking at it and going through it and how about this one or how about that. Even with the
residential houses across on the north side of the road, you know, would it fit there? And that’s
all residential, but would somebody possibly, you know, but that didn’t work either apparently.
Right, that search area cannot move. That search area is what was identified as
heine the search area necessary to calve the coverrce ean That’s the informatian nrecented here
in the supplemental information and is shown in exhibit F that you know this is where RF needs
to be. Again, the analysis is not done by we found a site let’s see if we can put something there.
It is done by RF identifying where they need the tower to be and where they need the tower to be
centrally located. I think in Tim’s ideal world, it would be in the middle of County Line Road,
that’s in the very center of the circle and that’s the ideal place to be within the ideal search area.
The fact that it is closer to the cast it still works from an RG perspective but to be further outside
that ring you know every movement is farther and farther away from being to remedy the
coverage pap that we’re seeking to remedy...
Just an assumption, suppose that area was a wetland or a big pond or
something there where would they put the tower then.
(CAMERA NOT FACING SPEAKER) We'd probably cancel the ring and
wouldn’t provide coverage there. It would just be............
What would you do with a tower?
(CAMERA NOT FACING SPEAKER) What’s that?
Where would van have to lneate a tower then?
(NOT USING MIC) E would probably head south to find something to just....if we
needed like I don’t know what | do actually in that case. If we had nothing there trying
to.. (BOARD MEMBERS HAVING CONVERSATION AND HARD TO HEAR APPLICANT
SPEAKING) This, is you know always the gamble we get is like okay, I can’t solve it. Nothing
can go there. What do Ido? I don’t know.
| think you need to look at something or relocate it somehow. Do whatever. |
mentioned two short towers. You say it doesn’t work. I don’t know. That’s beyond me but.
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No, Pm certainly not in favor of that site,
I understand the need for the tower and it, you know, based on the information
that’s been provided. The effort that they put in for locating it, it does sound like this is the
location. So, I wouldn’t have no other reason to not believe it.
| have a quick questton. So, when you look at coming down (SOMEONE
CLICKING THEIR PEN WHEN MR. CIARDI IS SPEAKING, IT’S DISTRACTING) County
Line Road, that triangular area where you want to pul it. [mean you're talking about minimal
feet from that triangle area past a little, it iooks like a little road, or some type of gravel road to
the other side of these electrical towers. Is there some particular reason why, there’s a hedgerow
already. It’s kind of not away from the road. It’s kind of covered by the hedgerow near the
electrical tawers Is there 4 reason why the farmer wouldn’t want it like an the other cide nf
those electrical......
Can you specifically point out; I don’t know if...... Just to confirm, you mean on
the existing site. The existing proposed site, can it be moved south.
So, yes, | don’t know if they can put this up on the screens, but if you look at, up a
little higher now, there’s the triangular area that has where you are going to put the tower.
ihere s already a hedgerow that’s on the property line. i mean, you re talking about...
I don’t believe the tower is going in that triangular area. The tower is in that
place where (EVER YONE SPEAKING AT ONCE) So, you have whatever that weird thing is.
And that vegetation is anticipated to stay. And again, if there’s other landscaping
that and be done to help mitigate the appearance of the equipment, we always welcome those.
You know, the though of, you know, landscaping is good. I mean, you put
something around it, but that really doesn’t do anything to....because that stretch of road is
straight down Lake Road. If you're going cast, it’s a straight run down. And if you are going
wesl, you’re coming around that corner. It’s right in front of you all the way. Anyways, we can
tatk alt nicht lone on it We're not soing to set anywhere with it Mv opinion is t think there’s
some way there’s an alternative. I think something should he able to be worked out with that
tarm property right there to locate 1t where we first suggested. I’m firm on that my opinion. So.
with that,
If may add just in the discussion of the viewshed. I want to draw your atlention to
exhibil K. That's a good visualization of where the anticipated viewshed would be. Exhibit K of
the application. So just as youre considering it and thinking about as you were lalking about
driving down Lake Road, I wanted to offer exhibit K is showing the proposed view.
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management came in over on Basket Road and the neighbors were opposed to them putting the
garage and all the trucks and stuff there and they negotiated a deal with the neighbors. They
gave them free pickup or something. You ever consider doing that. Again, I’m out of the box
but....
I think he’s referring to like a good neighbor agreement.
Yeah, something to accommodate the neighbors if it had to be there. I don’t
know if you’ ve ever done thal or not. | was just thinking about that particular incident on Basket
Road. Try anything. Something to appease the neighbors that are affected by this the most.
Maybe it’s something you guys can think about and work out. I’m sorry.
Kathy Pomnont There’s alwave oning ta he neichhors that area affected hy it No matter where
we put it. It is just the way itis. It’s how this works.
Okay, I guess we all just move forward and do what we got to do at this
point.
And I'l! not to the extent and again for the board’s consideration that, you know,
we are highly regulated by the FCC, and we are a public utility under NY State Law. We are
also highly regulated by the felecommunications Act of 1996. [his is a pretty well preenipted
body of law when it comes to the sighting of cell phone towers. We have done this time and time
again. We have located the narrowest search are that we could or the most pinpoint of search
area that we can be in. We’ve reviewed whether or not that search area can be expanded. We
have scrubbed additional properties to see if there was any other feasible locations. You know, to
the extent, there is RF data that it can be quite dense on other municipalities have taken
advantage of seeking a consultant of it’s own. So, we do offer, you know, we offer these as
notes of we understand the Planning Boards hesitation or the Planning Boards viewpoint of
aesthetics and location, but this field is quite crowded by the Telecommunications Act of 1996
through case law regarding the public utility standard and to the extent it feels boxed in or feels
hampered in and candidly, it is. It 1s because of the Telecommunications Act of 1996 and
because of the public utility standard. So, we would welcome a conversation with the Planning
Board asain shout landscaping. about fences. tf there’s other mitiaation efforts that can be done
to help address the aesthetics of the equipment tower or Pm sorry, the equipment facility at least
or again seeking a review by a professional consultant about the RF data.
Could {join the out of the box group. You had mentioned about Canada and
having to protect and infringing on Canadian...could you elaborate more on what you had to do?
What caactly do you niean.
Well, when you’re talking about locating of the cell towers, do you take into
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Yes, so the border between the US and Canada 1s basically considered in the
middle of Lake Ontario....
Okay, like it is for the radio.
So that’s where radio signal waves....that’s where we’ re basically considered but
basically 1t becomes serving, We don t want to interfere with Canadian service on the Canadian
side of their land mass actually, but we are regulated by FCC to not go pass the actual border in
the middle of the lake. We do that by regulating tower sizes by powers by down tilts. You know
we’ ve got ways we can do it. It just gets harder the closer we get to that lake because when a
signal it’s the lake, it just starts skipping and takes off so. We do our best to stay away from
being on lakes like that to mitigate that.
The reason ! bring this up, and I’m probably all wrong about it, and if I am, I
apologize, but Canada has a series of repeater stations along the northern shore of the lake.
There’s a station in Toronto that carries into Cobberg. It carries up the St. Lawrence. It’s radio.
It has nothing to do with cell. But can there be and here comes the question, which I’ going to
get hung up on. Can there be a type of a repeater station here tor a cell tower where you could
put it so they...you know what I’m trying to say. You have one at the bay or you have one here.
H doesn t really work the same way. IH you think about a radio, like a radio tower
and those signals, their powers are magnitudes higher than what we run at. So, doing repeaters,
we'd have to have repeaters every 50 feet.
And how big would a repeater be.
It would depend on what we'd be trying to do but. But I mean, you can’t repeaters
don’t really work in an RF environment because the biggest problem with a repeater, it’s still the
same sight, just being repeated over and over. So, that site, if it has traffic capacity issues,
you’ re just... you’re extending that coverage zone of that site to be just repeated over and over
again. So now you're just making cover a larger area then it is currently.
Okay Teness were nat soine to cet very far with this tonicht We have pretty
much spoken our pieces. See where it goes from here. [ guess I’m disappointed in it. And I’m
actual disappointed with the owner of the property for not being a good neighbor and willing to
cooperate with his neighbors. That’s very disappointing, but it is what it is.
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e Approval of minutes for: March 3, 2026. Motion: (GIARDINA/CASCIANID
Mr. Casciani AYE
Mr. Malta AYE
Mr. Giardina AYE
Mr. Anderson AYE
Mrs. Maltman ABSENT
Mr. Gasic AYE
Mr. Vetter AYE
With no other applications before the Board this evening Anthony Casciani concluded tonight’s
meeting at 9:45 PM.
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Respectfully Submitted,
ark Giardina, Secretary
Katherine Kolich, Recording Secretary
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