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Uh then where it says after that we're going to have open to the floor each speaker. I'm going to move that to the end. That's going to be moved to the end and right after the open to the floor five minutes to the speaker will be um the last resolution will be what is name number 10 right now resolution for the proposed creek side trail cell tower. So we're Yes, there's a couple resolutions on the back. That's correct. Okay. So, resolutions 11 and 12, we'll get through all of that stuff cuz it's a lot of housekeeping relatively easy and from reading the tea leaves and going around the room before I think I have an idea what everybody is here to take the podium for.

We might as well flow from the five minutes open to the public right to the resolution options that are available. Councelor uh DeMarco um on the cell tower. Makes sense. All right. So, uh, without further ado, the first resolution up tonight, uh, I'm going to be very honest with everybody. Uh, strategically, um, this was going to be our only grant application in the CFA portal, uh, for 2025. I don't want to repeat what Maria just said in her presentation, and people can look at the presentation. It's 22 slides. It's on the website, all that. And you did a wonderful job on it, Maria. Thank you.

But strategically, we looked at what options and what availabilities we had as a town, a town our size, a town of our affluence. And relative to the 95, 910 towns, whether you like it or not, we're a more affluent town. And that that grades against us when we apply for certain grants for a lot of grants there. There a lot of them in the state are geared more toward um you know um I don't want to say impoverished areas but lower uh annual average incomes than the town of Webster. But we looked at that Sandbar Park grant and with our council of uh Gene O'Connell Associates, the firm that we had engaged back uh in October of 2023 to coach us through this the the strategy of applying for grants because it's not just you can't just throw everything up against the wall and hope that that's going to that that's going to work.

Actually, that hurts your chances because you're competing against yourself and the state is grading you and they might look and say, "Well, they're applying for 72 grants here and they're not going to get any." Um, there is I'll call it the 800 lb gorilla in the room. Um, I got good news and bad news. uh about in April of 2024, Governor Kathy Hokll came to the Fairlife uh ribbon cutting here, Ko Fairlife. I'm sure everybody is aware there's a large production facility being built um here in Webster, and announced that the town got a $20 million grant uh to help with our wastewater sanitary sewer plant.

When the state gave us that grant, as we do debriefings with the Department of State on certain grants that we didn't get qualified for, they somewhat off the record say, "Hey, look, the state just gave you $20 million." Unprecedented number. I think the largest grant we ever got prior to that was slightly under $3 million for phase one of the sewer plant. So, I can't stress how large of a grant that $20 million was. And so that's on our record with the state of New York. And that is going to affect how we strategize and which grants we apply for in the year 2, three, four after we got awarded that.

The reason why our strategy initially was we're only going to go for phase two and phase three engineering and design of Sandbar Park is because the state of New York in their debriefing of why we got turned down last December for this said, "Look, we love this project. We love coming up to Webster to the ribbon cutings. It's a It's a unique park and it's got the potential to be beyond unique once we get phase two, which is the education center, and phase three, the walking trail done. So, he said, "We're going to tell you what we suggest you do is apply in June of 2025 for the engineering and design of phase 2 and three.

and then we feel like you know we can award you that and then you can start putting the construction of it together in 2026 and apply at that time for the construction end of it. that made sense to us and so we said look you know what we don't want to convolute this we're going to go for that grant and at that point we said that's all we're going to go for over a period of months um we had different departments with different needs and and to be very honest with you the different pressures that came that is very uh that that a government gets that a private industry doesn't uh and I the salt barn for instance uh we were putting together something for a salt bar washing station and social media said, "Why aren't they applying for the $600,000 grant with WQIP?" Other towns got it like Orchard Park and this and that.

They did. Um so now we got to look at that. But as we look at that, uh, all of a sudden we got a pump station in the sewer plant that needs money because we just got turned down on a federal earmar grant that we went for. So, let's go to New York State and ask for it. And Ship Builder Creek, we got turned down for those three grants are all out of one pool of money. So, I want to make sure everybody understands that if we apply for all three of them, we are competing against ourselves on those three. And so that is it. It's something that the board could sit there and basically say, "Well, let's do a resolution just say we're applying for all three of those or we're applying for none of them or we're applying for one of them, two of them.

We could do these resolutions individually." There's a lot of options we have there. So, you think I've confused the issue enough there, counselor? All right. what looks ostensively very simple. Make a motion, get a second, get five votes to say yes. 28 days from now, we apply for all these grants. It's not that simple. I have, if I had a crystal ball and I knew exactly the strategy that would put us in the best position to get awarded one, two, three, five, six of these grants in December, life would be easy. Life would be easy with a crystal ball. We don't have it. So, we go out to subject matter experts like Gino Oonnell Associates and we got that council, but I won't be redundant.

We were only going to apply for one of these, but through various pressures and asked and whatever, six of them are now on our docket. And this board, this is why we get paid the big bucks, is in the unenviable position of we have to make a decision. So, I'm good at parties, aren't I, John? I'm a buzz killer, aren't I? You know, look how happy everybody is. I know. I know. I You know, my kids say you're you're great, Dad. So, I'm gonna tell you what, I'm gonna make this simple uh to start out because the CFA grant for Sandbar phase 2 and three was the strategy uh originally. So, I'm going to make a motion that we authorize the submission of a CFA grant application for Sandbar Park phase 2 and three design and permitting and to commit to the funding the required local match from the previously approved bond resolution if the grant is awarded.

Second. Supervisor Flareity I. Councilwoman Cataldi I. Councilwoman Cahill I. Councilwoman W. I. Councilwoman Wright I now I'm gonna switch up the order of the next two because I'm going to go go in order of how you presented Maria. Okay. Uh the GIS grant I won't be redundant. It's it's a relatively small grant. It's in a pool of money that from everything I've uh been told and coached um applying for that grant out of that pool of money and is it DC money? Yes. That's going to have no effect on how we're graded for LWRP money. Correct. Which is the pool of money for Sandbar Park. Isn't this fun?

Okay. Who's on first? What's on second? With that in mind, I'll make a motion uh to authorize the submission of a CFA grant application for GIS um through the DEC and and and commit to the funding required as the local match if awarded. Second. Supervisor Flity. I. Councilwoman Wright. I. Councilwoman Cataly I. Councilman Cahill. I. Councilwoman Wyn. I. Now the third one, the amphitheater on the the rec uh recreation department uh site. I think what's got to be understood there is that's part of a bigger project, the re-imagine Webster, which is a village of Webster uh initiative. And it was it the the the scope of area or the meats and bounds of that area is mostly the Xerox campus, but there is a sliver of it about 10% of it that is the towns which has the rec center on it.

So because we're part of that, it was a a major milestone that we got awarded a certificate. I should have brought it, John. The thing's this big. I got it from the state. It came in like it's we we got the BOA the what does boa stand for again? Brownfield opportunity area. Brownfield opportunity area. But doesn't that sound nice, right? Um but that opens up a real big opportunity within this re-imagine Webster initiative. So the village, they've got their grants that they're going to apply for and do resolutions at their July 8th meeting. and our meeting tonight. The one thing we want to tag on to in that brownfield uh opportunity is this amphitheater, the design and engineering of it.

Um so based on that uh and the big certificate I got and everything I've learned that they are just now just begging to give us money to redevelop this boa district, this whatever uh reimagine Webster meets and bounds. I'm going to make a motion uh to authorize the submission of a CFA grant um for the engineering design of a amphitheater at on the rec center campus in Webster and to commit uh to funding and required local match should we be awarded. Second and I want to I'm just want to say something about the second. I think this is a great opportunity for Webster. Having an amphitheater to expand beyond what parks and recreations al all already has to offer is a wonderful thing because it's a place where the community can all come together and uh many other towns, Parington has one, Penfield has one of varying sizes, but um this not only is great for the community, but it is something that brings both the village and the town together.

So, for for all of those reasons and and because it's something that's been on um Chris's list for a while for the parks and recreation, I enthusiastically second us applying for this grant. Supervisor Flareity I. Councilwoman Wright I. Councilwoman Cataldi. Before I vote, I think the supervisor might have been in his words exaggerating to make a point. Were they really begging to give us money? That's okay. I vote yes. No. I But but I will tell you this that uh Leanne Kimber who's been in here who's the acting executive director of WEDA said you cannot imagine how big a milestone that is that we got the BOA certificate from the state because that just opens up the opportunities uh for this money.

Whether that means the state's begging to give us money, that might have been taking some liberties. Oh, I vote yes. Yeah. Councilman Kah Hill. Hi. Councilwoman Wyn. Hi. Now, we have a lot of people in the crowd tonight. You're probably sick and tired of hearing my voice. I know I'm sick and tired of hearing my voice. I am going to step off the next three because the next three are really um they're ones that the board members and I have talked about and gone back and forth on the strategy of these. They're all from the same funding source, WQIP, which is water quality infrastructure, something.

Um, I'm going to I'm not going to make any motions on this. Um, I there's too much back and forth that has gone on by this board over the last couple weeks, and we're now in a position where we have to make a decision on this. So, I'm I'm going to take a little executive privilege as the deputy supervisor. Do what you want to do and go with um the resolution number five first and I would make a motion related to the Vosber pump station. The we apply for a grant um to fund the dire need to upgrade that pump station. The town is asking uh $2,671,000,875 of a believe it's a 6 or700 million or 6 or 7 million project.

Uh the maximum award being $15 million. I make the motion that we apply for that grant. Second. Councilwoman Cataldi. I. Councilman Cahill. I. Supervisor Flity. Nay. Councilwoman Win I. Councilwoman Wright I Okay. And you know what? I did this to a board member one time. I said, "Do you mind explaining why you said Nate?" So, I'm going to ask myself that. Uh I think I just said that we got turned down for federal earmark funding that we applied for through Senator Schumer and Senator uh Gillibrand's office in March. So, God bless the sewer leadership. They're like, "Come on, we got to we got to go through this grant, you know, June 28th." And uh whatever.

And then today, we just found out that the WEIA grant just opened up and that it's a deadline is uh uh the 12th of September. Um I've already gotten kind of pitched by the sewer plant that we should apply for it through that. And I said, "Look, if we apply through through WQIP on July 31st, we are not going to have parallel grants going at the state with WEIA." So, can I I did not get that pitch from the sewer department. I did get that there were a a an open portal for September with QIP. I did send out an email asking what project W WQIP I'm sorry water infrastructure whatever um I did not see that communication to take that into consideration for that I might have taken some liberties on that.

I know Maria you're asking the sewer leadership like what do you want to do with WEIA? Yeah I I might have I I think I know what you know I just went through this Patty I hate to say it with the federal earmark and WQIP and overlapping whatever. So, you know, I'm usually one of those people that past performance usually dictates what the Okay, I'm going to stand by my resolution. So, okay. And I will put the others out there just so that we can vote on them and make a decision on this. I would move that we apply for funding for the um highway saltb burn. Second. Councilwoman Cataly I. Councilman Cahill.

I. Supervisor Flity. Nay. Councilwoman W. I. Councilwoman Wright. Nay. That's a pass, right? Three to two pass. Yes. Y we will be applying for that grant. And I can I I just want to say something about that one and why I'm saying nay as the liaison to the highway department. Um this is a much smaller grant and they're all coming out of the same funding source and the likelihood of us getting all three of these grants is very slim to none. So, if we are going to go after one of them, um, I would like to go for the larger one, which is Vosberg. Um, as far as the federal grant, and maybe I missed this, and I'm I'm sure I did.

I thought they never opened the portal or that the funding source was completely taken away as opposed to we weren't awarded that um as a as a grant. So, um, yeah, I you know, once again, it's kind of semantics. There was, let's say, 100 applications through Schumer and and Gillibrand's office. 50 of them got to the second stage. We weren't one of those 50. To me, that's tanamount. We got turned down for that grant. That's that's that's fair. That's fine. Um, but that that's why I voted if you want the nay explanation, that is why I'm voting nay for the salt bar. Sure. And the reason that I'm going to make all the resolutions is that um as you say, we don't have a crystal ball, but I also feel that for every grant we do not apply for, we will never receive funding.

Um and perhaps I like to think that the glass is half full rather than if we put too many in, we'll be denied all. But I say give it a shot. So I would move that we apply for the grant for Ship Builder Creek. it. It's one that we applied for last year. We were turned down because of a couple of technicalities and that grant is pretty much almost written and ready to go. So, I'm going to move that we continue with that grant application for the restoration of Ship Builder Creek. Second also would like to say something. The RDC round 5 15 the regional economic development council uh at 2025 consolidating funding applications for CFA is now open through Thursday July 31st at 4 p.m.

what you have been said Maria and um they will continue to accept application ongoing basis until the fund are exhausted. Since 2011, the IEDC have been con cornerstone of the bottomup approach of economic development that allow the state 10 regional council to support projects that advance strategy regional and statewide pri uh priorities. And also 2025 the governor she granted 150 million advancing collaboration for high impact initiative to economic visions expansion competitive achievement aim to empower the reds to advance catalytic economic development project back to enhance implement funding and jumpstar regional growth.

So, I think that we should apply for the grants that and continue to apply for the grants that um we may get turned down, but again, they may open up the portal and we may receive it. Like Patt said, if we do not applied, we don't know what we're missing out. So, therefore, we continue to pursuit. Grand writing is also too is very complicated and it take a lot of sophisticate like Maria said you know um or some believe in luck but I believe in the ability and the credibilities of the grand writers to get us the grants that we apply for. Councilwoman Cataldi I. Councilwoman Wyn, I. Supervisor Flity, nay.

Councilman Cahill, nay. Councilwoman Wright, nay. We already have a remedy in place at least to um to, you know, handle the situation that's there. And again, I will reiterate, and maybe I'm right, maybe I'm wrong, but I think our best chances are to move forward in that group and not compete against ourselves and lead with Vosberg. as the largest and probably most important project for the town. Sure. I think this was a phenomenal thing for the audience to see tonight because I in my 5 and a half years as supervisor, I hear a lot of times we're like, well, it's a fat compon board members, you know, you're all Republicans, you're all thinking the same way.

That is not the case at all. We have struggled with this uh because it is so subjective. I I you know I come from an accounting background. I like facts and known and whatever grant writing and strategy it's just so and you have five different opinions and the five voted and that's the way the government works in Webster and we're going to apply for five out of these six grants that were presented tonight and the two WQIP grants we're applying for are the Salt Burn and Vosber and Ship Builders Creek. We will not be uh and Paul and I, our finance director, talked about that. Uh it's a small enough project, small million bucks.

Man, have we gotten desensitized to money. Uh we've looked at the sewer reserve, the capital reserve. We have a a resol we have a $100,000 fix going on down there. It's not the permanent fix, uh but it will make me be able to sleep at night as it's executed that that we won't have a problem. Um, so onward and upward. Um, thank you. Thank you everybody. Um, no, I I want to thank all the fellow board members because that we have talked about this for so long and we've we've agreed and we've disagreed and we've gone back and forth and I I just feel it was important that we put all those out there for a vote and put it to rest.

So, thank you all. Um, so next up, we had last uh uh two weeks ago, actually it was a Wednesday night because uh June 18th, we did not have a workshop that meeting. We had one regular board meeting. Uh, Denine, thank you for getting us the minutes. I've reviewed them. I make a motion that we approve the minutes from June 18th's board meeting. Second. Supervisor Flity. I, Councilman Cahill, I. Councilwoman Cataly, I. Councilwoman Wyn, I. Councilwoman Wright, I. And next, Jenny did the bills. Yep, I did. I looked over the bills with the finance director and is appear to be in order. I would like to make a rest uh a motion to pay the bills, please.

Second. Councilwoman Wyn, I Councilman Cahill, I. Supervisor Flareity, I. Councilwoman Cataly, I. Councilwoman Wright, I. And then I reviewed the prepaid warrants as submitted by Paul Adam, director of finance. Make a motion that we approve those. Second. Supervisor Flity. I. Councilwoman W. I. Councilwoman Cataly I. Councilman Cahill. I. Councilwoman Wright. I. And I have reviewed the purchase orders as submitted by Paul Adams, the director of finance, and make a motion we approve those. Second. Supervisor Flity. I. Councilwoman Wright. I, Councilwoman Cataly, I, Councilman Cahill, I, Councilwoman W.

I, we're gonna, like I said earlier, we'll skip over the 10th number 10 resolution, which is really a series of options related to the Creekide Trail proposed cell tower. We'll go to res the last two resolutions tonight. Um uh one is somewhat I think this is kind of a housekeeping one Paul that we do every year. Which one? The intermunicipal agreement with Monroe County that states the county will operate and maintain traffic signal device. I'm asking you that's funny. You're the finance writer. Uh maybe I should ask Keith, but Keith you might not have been around long enough to see this come up every single year.

I I have been and it is housekeeping. Yes, I would agree. Does any of the board members have any questions on this? No. No. Okay. I make a motion to renew the town of Webster's intermunicipal agreement with Monroe County that states the county will operate and maintain the traffic signal device located at the intersection of Hard Road and Publishers Parkway. You know what? I change I do have a question. Why is this one Why does this require a specific resolution? Is this the only one that the in in Webster that the county maintains on our behalf? Was hard road at one time a county road? I don't know, but I know that it's a town road now and and this is a new I think this was a new light that went in when the development went in on the east side of of Hard.

So, so it could be that it's the town road, but the countyy's maintaining the light. Okay. Thank you. Okay. Well, that was my motion. Second. Supervisor Flarity. I. Councilman Cahill. I. Councilwoman Cataly. I. Councilwoman Wyn. I. Councilwoman Wright. Hi. You know, if we didn't have all this other excitement tonight, this la this number 12 is a major major accomplishment and it'll kind of now just get pushed to the back burner because we'll have probably 45 minutes after this of people taking the podium and and discussion. But, um, John, you've been the liaison, town board liaison to EMS since I've been on the on the board.

Uh well I I would I would ask that because I know of no one that has the recall from a historical perspective than you and it has been a pleasure to serve as liaison along with you with the negotiations with Penfield um for the past over year. So I would ask if you could keep your comments summary comments to maybe five minutes on this. I don't even want to do five because I I appreciate all these people here tonight. We've started this meeting at 7:30. It's now 8:00. So, it's like going to a movie and seeing 23 minutes of the previews. But, we'll get we'll get to the the main show that you're here for.

I the history I don't know if I could do it in five minutes. But what I'm excited for, and I've written articles about it, is that John and I, when this passes, um, then Penfield Volunteer Ambulances Board actually has their meeting, I think, on the 14th. We thought it was the 7th, but it's the 14th. When they pass it, that opens the doors to John and myself. And we've already talked to Jeff Lean House, the Penfield uh town supervisor, and Bob Aington, the town board member who's a liazison to ammon Penfield. And we said, look, it's in both towns best interest for the citizens of Penfield and the citizens of Webster, for the two town governments to get together and discuss a consistent metric that both towns use when we go to do our budget process every year of how much money, if any, we are going to subsidize Penfield Volunteer Ambulance, which is a 501c3 agency.

501c3 501c3 agency and they're very open to doing that and we've been very clear with Penfield Volunteer Ambulances uh leadership. Um you know this year the town of Webster uh had $100,000 out of our general fund budget go to Penfield volunteer ambulance. The town of Penfield from their tax district had 200,000 go to Penfield volunteer ambulance. The economies of scale of bringing those towns together under one ambulance will create a situation in my opinion that Penfield volunteer ambulances financials will potentially in the next year or two not need any subsidy from the town of Penfield or the town of Webster.

Do I know that? No. But if we get together with the two governments and talk about the metrics and this and that and we're but I'm sure that Penfield bounty ambulance will be at the the table with us too. But it's very possible that those metrics that we come up with consistent between the two towns once we get the next year or two of audits and tax returns from that ambulance company that now goes from 7,000 calls to 11,000 calls. It's very possible with some of the other legislative changes that have got them getting paid directly from insurance instead of all of that stuff. John, they may be able to stand on their own two feet and that's a win for the Webster residents and a win for the Penfield residents.

And it's to me, I'm looking forward to that. John, well, it's a significant savings already to the uh the residents of of of the town of Webster because we were looking at a potential of $800,000 a year um expenditures per year. Yep. Um so, a lot of the work that that has gone into this, it's been pretty monumental. um give Penfield a lot of credit because you know they took um and pretty much doubled the area they were covering with their existing um employees and um you know they took on additional employees from from the previous uh EMS company and they've done a tremendous job with respect to service.

Um so I'm I'm looking forward to uh as a matter of fact I'm going to put a a motion together. I'm going to I'm going to move that we authorize a town supervisor to sign a 5-year contract with Penfield Volunteer Ambulance on EMS services uh for the town of Webster. Second. Councilman Cahill. I. Councilwoman Wyn I. Supervisor Flareity I. Councilwoman Cataldi I. Councilwoman Wright I. You know I thought that John might break out like the hat. Didn't you get the hat from them that is the new brand? The Penfield Webster Ambulance. I have it in my house. These guys, I mean, it was part of our deal with them.

They're going to rebrand. They are They're our hometown ambulance. They're going to be called Penfield Webster Ambulance. Is that Yeah, I think what it is. You have the hat. So, we're we're in the meeting. A little sidebar here. So, we're in the meeting talking about this the last steps of the uh of the contract. And um um it gets brought up that they have hats and shirts that say Pen Webster ambulance. And I'm like, "Okay, uh can you can you get me a hat?" His eyes immediately start rolling. That's why he bring this up today because I'm kind of a hat guy. But John's all about the swag. He is.

He got it. Yeah. I He He went right upstairs and came back down with a hat and two shirts. So without further ado, um I know in the last half an hour some more people came in. So I want to see who wants to speak as we move toward the open of the floor uh where each speaker will be allowed five minutes. Um and so I'm going to leave the podium right now. Uh Mark, sorry about this. You'll I know you won't be able to see me out there, but I'm going to work the crowd and get who else wants to talk. And I also want to anybody that came in late, hand out the handout. Hand out the handout to me. Is that um that everybody else got that was here at 7:30.

So who Let's see. I'm trying to go by facial recognition. [Music] Okay. Are you speaking tonight? when you sign in. All right. When I sign this kind of slots, by the way, I just so this close better. Kevin is not here to talk and I'm going to take a guess that is not here to talk about. Okay. Um we have Okay. And the good news is like I don't need to speak. I guess I miss anybody. See how the sausage is made? That's the hot people that I'm watching. You don't get judiciously. If you got nine subjects, you got to average 30 seconds. All right. Then also underneath explain that one of those. All right.

Okay, I think we're ready for prime time. All righty. So, Denine, I'm doing my best. I know you this is good for your minutes. So we are starting the open to uh the public at 8:09 and the first speaker up well for let me I just want to give some rules of how this works. God it sounds terrible rules but you have up to five minutes. Please don't put me in the position where I have to say you're at 4:45 450 because there's no nice way for me to say that. I always come off as a jerk. Um, we've tried so many different ways to monitor that that it doesn't come off that way, but it it's just a tough position and hey, I got some executive privilege running the board meeting.

I also have that uh I have to oversee that and it's not fun. When we were here on June 5th, I said to the Rivingtons, I said to Teresa, I can't believe how in sync they are. Each of them spoke for 3 minutes and 10 seconds. I applauded them that they were so far under the five minutes and never putting us in that risk that I had to shut them down. So, I hope if you have written statements and you've timed it, but please be cognizant of that five minutes. With that being said, our first speaker is Kevin Lockheart. Hello uh to the town board. My name is Kevin Lockhart. I live at 100-2 Fiddleberger Park in Webster, New York, the village.

It is wonderful to see everybody here. Thanks for coming out. Several knitts. I wanted to address a couple of concerns that I have with the town and how it's operating. But first, I want to state to everybody what a privilege it is to be in Webster and for me particularly being a dual citizen in the village. I have a an unusual amount of elected representatives and committees compared to let's say a city of Rochester taxpayer who has you know so I'm very privileged in that sense. So um I came here today to issue a me uh memoranda into the town clerk's uh I'm going to give it to you. Okay. Is that I have enough copies for all of you so that you can follow along and it's by me.

Thank you. Thank you. You can just pass it around. In today's Webster Herald, which you can subscribe to. That's how I keep track of a lot of what is going on in Webster. There was a letter to the editor that is relevant to this meeting. To the editor, I'm just going to read it short. As a village taxpayer, I am beguiled that the town of Webster continues to reference a comprehensive plan steering committee intended to steer the development of a new town comprehensive plan that aligns with New York State Smart Growth Standards. There is, as of July 1st, no town approved resolution indicating that such committee has been ratified.

According to New York State town law 272A, a town can only create special planning committee like this if the town board passes a formal resolution in a public meeting. The town of Webster does not recognize the comprehensive plan committee uh steering committee as being lawfully formed because the town board has not yet passed a resolution forming it. To be clear, the town is not required to appoint a steering committee, but by choosing to do so, they must follow the proper procedures in creating it. Therefore, the town must one formally approve the committee by resolution. Two, specify the scope, powers, and membership of the committee in that resolution.

In conclusion, I call upon the town of Webster to open the application process to all and formalize the meeting through proper legal procedure. This is a very important task that should be exercised with care. Going into the timeline and my findings, just a little bit of background. In November 24, and please stop me if there's any errors that I'm not aware of because this is not comprehensive, but it's pretty in-depth. In November 24, the town of Webster issued a request for proposals or an RFP soliciting consultant services for updating its comprehensive plan with project kickoff in January 2025.

The contract award went to Collier's Engineering Design. The town board reviewed proposals and passed a resolution to authorize Collier's engineering design as the selected consultant. The RFP process and contract award were formally recorded with the contract expected to commence in January 2025. Author authorization of contract via board's resolution. The RFP explicit explicitly states town board confirmation of recommended consultant and town board resolution to authorize to authorize contract as required next steps. The board dually executed that resolution and entered into a contract with collers fulfilling the steps outlined in the RFP.

The RFP requirements for the steering committee require that the RFP and contract terms clearly stipulate that Collier is to work with a comprehensive plan steering committee. A body of the town must create via formal town board resolution. According to the town supervisor's communications, a steering committee has been holding meetings since at least June 12th, 2025 with collers presenting to the group. Collier has been actively facilitating meetings with this committee such as a June 7th informational session at the rec center. Local news also confirms a steering committee made up of residents will review all the community feedback.

Yet no formal resolution has created the committee despite the committees operations and meeting. Uh there is no town board resolution according to the RFP. a contract that was signed and authorized or town law 623-2A. I've been contacting the town about this because the reason, sorry, I I missed a portion. So what I need you all to do formally is create and appoint the comprehensive plan steering committee, name its members and define its scope, duties, and duration, and ensure the committee's formation retroactively legitimizes Kier's ongoing work under the RFP in the contract. This isn't a voluntary step.

This is a required step that was required to have been taken months ago and I don't understand. So we're at 45. How my tone of voice sound on that? The reason I came here today is because I was specifically named by the town in a town email excluding me from this process. And that's what brought me here today because I was miffed about that. So I am going to follow up if if the town is not compliant on this issue and align themselves with the law. I'm going to have I'm at 515 now. Kevin, I'm trying to be patient, but you're at 5:15 now. I'm going to have to escalate to uh have a judicial review in with Sorry, the way that you're looking at me is making me feel funny.

Let me just hold on a second. Let me just wrap this up because I got thrown off. Okay, this is important. If the town doesn't align themselves with the law, I'm going to go to the county hall of justice. I'm going to file an article 78 proceeding and I'm going to bring this the town attorney before judicial review. So, but I expect that I won't need to do that because the town's going to do this. I don't know what that means for all of you and the comprehensive plan. We're at six minutes now. Kevin, you're not responding to what I'm saying. You're just talking at me. Kevin, you have already let us know and the town attorney is aware that you have put us on notice that you might bring an article 78 against us.

We're aware. We are aware and now everybody here is aware and it's on tape and you're in the record and I applaud you. Thank you. Thank you. Okay, next up is Dave Mlei. Well, I'm Dave Maliki. Can you hear me? Sure can. Yes, good. So, I know I tend to talk a little quiet, but maybe with all the emotion today, I can talk a little louder, I guess. Um, first of all, sorry, Denine, but this is going to be a little longer than my last speech. My last speech was Bridget 247 365. You got any questions? Same speech. No questions this time. Okay. Um I have a question. Um I said that same thing before and a few other things because there was a a discussion after.

Um but uh the Bridget message didn't get into the minutes and I was a little disappointed that not not just to you D. It's going to look like it is at you, but there's five people that voted on that. Every single one or maybe four. I'm not sure if you were there. I don't believe I was, but I have heard the message. Um, but anyways, you know, I was really disappointed I didn't see the Bridget message there because I felt that that was uh, let's say, uh, not fair. Um, but since I do have a little bit of time here, I want to talk about cell phones. I was going to start the timer here on my cell phone because carrying a cell phone is really carrying a cell phone is really a very um dependent thing in our society.

In fact, it's even more dependent than being able to drive somewhere. Um the reason I come here is for to bridge across the quite bay outlet. Um it's really difficult to get from West Webster over to Arando unless you have a car and I have a car. I've got several cars. I just choose not to use them for the most part. I'd rather walk someplace. bike someplace when that's more appropriate. Um, so that's why I get so passionate about being able to go across here on Bay Outlet. Um, I want to see some money set aside for u active transportation in the budget next year when we do that. And believe me, I'll be at the meetings.

Thank you. Thanks, Dave. Okay. Now we have seven more speakers signed up. But like I had said as we go in order of them signing up if they decide that they don't want to speak we don't make them. But let's for the time being assume that all seven do speak. Before I bring up the first one I I want to just give a little history. Yeah Lori, you are going to be the first one. But give me two seconds here. Um because I think it's important. Um, one I uh we had a four weeks ago there was a public hearing in this boardroom at 7:30 p.m. and uh it was properly um advertised in the paper on our social media sites on the website.

uh the property under review, went in front of uh where this proposed cell tower is, a big like realtor sign, and um three people spoke that night um at the public hearing. Uh actually two uh Mr. Remington Dave and Miss Zawadki Teresa. So they spoke again out against this uh proposed cell tower. Now when we close the public hearing uh we still have an open to the public for 5 minutes to talk about anything to your heart desire like we have here tonight. And Teresa took that opportunity to go back up and speak again as did Dave and as did Dave's wife Christy. So those three spoke four weeks ago and they happen to be three of the seven that are scheduled to speak tonight here.

Now after that meeting of which there was a workshop presentation by the Verizon people that went into a deep dive. the the slide deck is available on our website to show to educate as best we could about how we came to this site and what it could do and all that stuff. Um, some of the things that were said at the podium that night and I understand the emotion of this had Mike Crosby, who's not here tonight from Verizon take the podium and basically debunk um some of the myths, the fears with facts. So, when that all ended, um I think we might have said that night, the board needs to step back, we're not going to make any actions and put anything on the agenda for two weeks from then, which was uh June 18th.

It was a Wednesday night, not a 19th because it was Junth. In fact, a couple days later, I sent out a personal card uh handwritten to the Remingtons and to Teresa that basically said, you know, I applaud you for coming the other night. Just, you know, like I said, we're not going to do anything on the 18th. The board's doing their due diligence. We are going to put something on the July 3rd. Uh that's either going to be that we're put pushing it to the planning board or we're going to handle it at the town board level. Um, I know myself, I walked that site for about an hour. I know the other town board members chimed in.

They walked the site. We did a lot of things to figure out tree lines and all that stuff. I think we've done yman work. We have not lazied this. Um, I mailed those cards to the Remingtons and Miss Waki on June 14th. Um, around June 26th or 27th, I started to get pinged. My cell phone started to get text. My cell phone started to get calls. My emails started to get emails. Um, it was interesting. It was It was about a It was four that were for the cell tower and four that were against. So, eight total. Four four against. A lot of fours there. Should have done a different number. And so, I'm like, where is this all coming from?

This seems out of the blue. Well, the blue is what I handed to all you because one of the people who was for it said, "You're going to get a lot of stuff, Tom, because somebody went around to the all the neighbors and it looks like it went out about a half a mile and put this flyer in their door." Now, the unfortunate thing is um that several of the bullet points in that flyer are in the meeting minutes and on the tape audio and visual that was discussed here four weeks ago that Mr. Crosby from Verizon debunked those myths. But I understand that if I wasn't at that meeting and I didn't see that video in audio and somebody put this on my uh door that you would have a visceral reaction and call the supervisor and do all that stuff.

So the four people that were against it, I sent back to them with the help of Denine. Here is a link to the workshop presentation by them. And here's the minute in the in the video that it starts. And here's a link to the town board meeting that had the public hearing in the section that was talked about. So that those people, if they're rational, which I'm sure they are, would take that and then say, "Okay, well, let me because I told them a lot of this has been already told at the public hearing as not being accurate." So that leads us up to tonight. And whether that changes anybody's minds um about whether they want to take the podium and what they were originally going to say, especially if it was based on this, I don't know.

Um I don't know if it's premature before you take the podium to look over at at at our town attorney and say that um and I think it was put on the website. Uh there was a nice briefing done by Kyle uh Taylor, John's partner, that essentially gave the board and the community because I think it was posted on the website that here is the position that the town board is in tonight because the site is owned by the town. It's where we have one of our sewer pump stations. Um, correct me if I'm wrong, different from 3 years ago when we were doing a a cell tower down on the corner of Pellet and Lake. If you ever driven down Lake and you go by Pellet, you see that cell tower now.

Um, that was a private owner that was leasing to Verizon or one of your uh resellers, whatever. And so because of the fact pattern of that I think counselor that had to go through this process that was planning board and then if the tower was taller than the zoning it had to go to the zoning board for a variance and then it came back to the town board for whatever the heck we do on that. So it bounced around from board to board and the people that were against it spent three or four months following around public hearings and speaking on the podium. We found out on this one that there is something called Monroe Doctrine or Monroe something like that.

The Monroe Doctrine was isolationalist in 1800, but whatever. The Monroe balancing test. The Monroe balancing test, and I'm paraphrasing because I not an attorney. John tells me I don't have the vocabulary to be one. it does give the ability for the town board to truncate that process and just take care of it all at the town board level. Um, and like I said, it's because it's it's our land. It's municipal land. And there's a couple of other uh what do I want to say? There's a couple other criteria. That's more than a couple that this fits. And I'm gonna stop there because I think some of the other things that that tie into the process of a cell tower approval at the town level and the number of days that it it it has to be answer has to be done by a certain amount of days from the formal application.

And if the town is like kicking the can down the road and bouncing it from board to board, then the FCC gets involved and and there's a component of the federal government trumping all this telecommunications act. The Telecommunications Act. Now, I tell you all this because some of the people down in Lake and Pellet, friends of mine, said to me after that thing, "Why didn't you just tell me, Tom, four months earlier that that this is kind of a we'll go through the town process and all that stuff, but even if you guys turn it down, they'll appeal to the FCC and the FCC will look at these different criteria and because of, you know, the cell tower and whatever rules today, they're they most likely will win on the appeal and the tower is going to go in and I said to my friends that that lived down there said because I didn't know that and as I was learning as we went along by the time it came back to the town board that's when it it came up and I remember Barry Dean was in his last three months as a town board member and he sent me an email and you know how much I I'm fond of Barry because Barry doesn't mix any words.

He goes, "I I would have liked to have known, you know, prior to going into this freaking song and dance that at the end of the day, it's it's a it's a rigged game." And I said, "Barry, I completely agree with you on that." Anyway, with that being said, um the town tonight when we're all done is going to either take care of it under its own under the Monroe test and it'll be done tonight because there's three resolutions that basically wrap it all up. I think John, the town can reject the tower. Well, that's the third option. can can follow the town wall and go through the the three boards or at least two boards if necessary or or apply this balancing test.

Well, then there I don't want to jump to the the the punchline on this, but John, we can we can say we don't want to do anything tonight. We got to really think about this, right? So, we can kick it to the 17th to do anything. That's one option. The other option is do the three resolutions under the Monroe tonight and be done with this. All right. And I don't mean to sound flippant and that might sound bad to the residents like, "Oh my god, be done with it." Whatever. Hear what I just said. I I I do not want to drag the residents through a elongated process that is just going to frustrate them more and more when potentially at the end of the day even if you were the champions of you the FCC can step in and say because of the coverage and the population and this and that you know and if you apply for them and I you go there or we can kick it to the planning board and say let's we you guys go to the planning board's public hearing and tell them what you think and then they got to kick it to the zoning board because of the height and then you can go to that public hearing.

So that's our options but planning board zoning board it ends up back here. So you'd all see us again in three or four months but it would come back with their recommendations would it not John? I'm sorry I didn't hear the question. If it goes to the planning board and subsequently be the zoning board before it comes back to the board, it would come back to the board with some recommendations as to whether they It's exactly what happened on Peladin Lake. Is that is that correct, John? Well, again, if you choose the balancing test, you you get to immunize yourself from the other boards and the zoning, right?

Totally get that. I'm just saying if we do send it to the planning board, subsequently the zoning board, then it comes back to this board. Correct. Yes. When it comes back to this board would have their recommendations either for or against. Correct. Yes. But they are the professionals in my opinion. Thank you. I appreciate that. Interesting. Okay. Threw a lot of words at there. Why don't we hear from the seven people? the let me just the the difficulty is their recommendations at the end of the day may and likely will be my my sense is that it's very limited what the town u can adjust relative to the federal preeemption that's going to trump totally get that no pun intended over the top of it totally get that y so I don't understand regardless of how any of us in a neighborhood feel about this tower going up is going up.

It's a done deal already. So, it's worthless for us to speak to you. Is that basically what you're saying, Tom? Boy, I have a great bedside manner. You know, it's funny. My my uh my kids say that I I'm what I honestly I am trying to save the heartache. I think that the FCC, if you go and do the re that I understand we need a cell tower. I I don't understand why it specifically has to be in a residential dead end. Well, it it's it's on town owners. I understand that there's town owns a lot of land. We're going to start the timer. So, let's let's do that. And I'm I'm going to just say your two seconds to take 15 minutes and my five minutes start.

That that is correct. I mean, you are the town supervisor. Well, you you know what I you would be a great town board member and then you get more than five minutes to talk. All right, let's start. I am saying I am profoundly concerned about where you're putting this. We have a very tight neighborhood community. I'm not going to take this away from your time, but we need your name and your address. My name is Lori Bar. I live at 1213 Creekide Trail. Perfect. Kitty Corner across the street from where they're going to build the 100 foot tower. Continue. Thanks, Lori. I understand the need for cell service.

I believe this location is not appropriate and will have negative impacts on our community. Our neighborhood is very tight lined streets, ma, well-maintained home, peaceful atmosphere. We do not have lots of trucks and cars. The property that you're speaking about currently only has a water truck that goes up and down the street twice a day. A large industrial cell tower would be an undeniable blight on our landscape, permanently altering the aesthetic appeal and disrupting our environment. Furthermore, the introduction of the structure could lead to concerns about property values and overall residential character of our neighborhood.

Our homes are not merely structures. They are part of our community defined by our peaceful, familyfriendly ambiencece. There is lots of town land like the water treatment plant that's right over on Wall Road that's just a hop skip from us. And that seems to be a whole lot more suitable location for a cell tower and a lot less intrusive on our residential areas and would provide the same needs without negatively impacting our quiet neighborhood. Uh I respectfully request clarification on why this alternative location has not been considered or prioritized. Placing this tower on this vacant, less visible, non-residential site would address the service needs while preserving the unique character and quality of our life in our neighborhood.

I urge you, the board, to reconsider this proposal. Our Mil Creek community has over 50 kids that gather every Halloween. We get together, we do food drives, we do all kinds of stuff together. And as you can see from our attendance here, all of us are opposed to this. Thank you. Thank you, Lori. Thanks, Lori. That was less than Good job. Uh, next up is Teresa Wacky. Okay. All right. Uh, good evening and thank you for your time. Um, at our last meeting, I stood here Oh, I'm sorry. I'm Teresa Zawwaki Chapman and my son Nathaniel, residents of Scenic Circle 1219. At our last meeting, I stood here to express not just my personal concern, but a collective voice of a neighborhood that's united in its opposition to the proposed cell tower.

Tonight, I come with greater urgency and more voices behind me. Mr. Flity, can you borrow that, buddy? Mr. Flity, I'd like to ask you the following if if the following, which of the following statements are false? Verizon is proposing a new talent communications tower at the end of scenic circle near four mile creek as part of Webster North cell towers can reduce nearby home values up to 20% fact. There will be permanent dis visual disruption. There will be a tall monopole fenced equipment pads and underground utility lines. True or false? I think that's true. There are environmental safety concerns.

Construction near Four Mile Creek threatens wildlife and natural runoff patterns. There will be also be ongoing maintenance. Lighting and noise will disrupt the long term. There are unknown long-term health risks. Scientific research is still ongoing about the exposure to this radiation emitted by cell towers. And a lot of us weren't informed of this proposal unless you read the Webster Herald or unless you sign up for or you were looking for it. Since our last discussion, more residents have come forward alarmed by what this tower would bring. Not just in terms of physical presence, but its lasting impact and quality of life.

What is especially troubling is the lack of communication and transparency around this project. Many of us, the people who live closest to the proposed site, were never directly informed. This is in my backyard. This is in their backyard. And this is in my neighbor Pat's backyard. Yeah, you put a sign up. But nobody came to my door. Nobody came to their door. It's in their backyard. Many of us found out also through neighbors or by chance is and that's how major decisions that affect families, schools and neighborhoods should be handled when something of this magnitude is being considered. Residents deserve to be notified directly, included early and respected throughout the process.

And I'm going to ask you plainly, would any of us, especially those of you sitting on this board, would you welcome a 100 foot cell tower industrial structure in your own backyard? Would you feel okay and safe if your kids and grandkids were playing down the street under more traffic, noise, unknown health risks? Would you? This isn't an abstract concern. Within a two-mile radius of this proposed site, maybe I don't know, maybe it isn't proposed, maybe it is the site, we have three elementary schools. This means hundreds of children are playing outside developing minds and bodies. And there is there is proof.

There are studies out there. As a followup, I'm going to email each and every one of you these these studies that have shown the developmental um impact that this has on little kids like my son and like these children in here. Beyond long-term health risks, we must add the traffic and noise. Towers like this require regular maintenance. That means vehicles coming in and out at unpredictable hours, disrupting what is currently peaceful, family centered area. We can't ignore the impact of our local wildlife. Nesting, migration, and habitat are real and documented side effects of these installations.

This is not about one street or neighborhood. It's about the precedent it sets. Do we want to be a town where these kinds of structures are quietly approved without full transparency and full thorough review? Or do we want to lead with integrity, preparing our neighborhoods the same way, protecting our neighborhoods the same way we would protect our own families is to you. You know, all of us here are not saying no to better sell service. There is also a site. It states that you you can call 911 at any time. You don't need a signal for that. So Verizon's comment in the last meeting that that residents were saying they couldn't n call 911.

That is false. What we're saying yes to is safety, caution, and smart planning. As Lori mentioned, there are other locations that are less intrusive, less habitat, inhabited by by neighbors and friends that could serve the same purpose without sacrificing our neighborhood's character. I am asking you, please do not rush this. Review, pause, consider the people who live in the consequences every single day. Thank you for your service and thank you for listening. Thanks and happy 4th of July. [Applause] I'm going to let Dave and Christy Remington decide which of them want to go first. Hi, I'm Nathaniel.

Hi, I I'm Nathaniel Chapman. I am in first grade. at Clem North. This phone tower is going to be in my backyard and my friends play in my backyard. Please do not approve this because it is where I go fishing with my dad and walking my dog Zeke. [Applause] Hi everyone. Hello again. Excuse me. Um, so hello again. My name is Christine Remington and I am at 1214 Creekide. Um I certainly won't be as eloquently spoken as Nathaniel and Teresa. Um, but I did just want to share once again, um, as a member of this community, of this neighborhood. Um, while my opinion and my view after the comments earlier may not necessarily matter any longer, I still want to share my opinion and I want to let the group know uh, how we feel about this going into our neighborhood.

This is a large structure that I can't imagine anyone sitting on this board would want in their backyard, their front yard, their sideyard, anywhere near their home. Thank you to everyone over here who has joined us today, anyone else that may be watching at home um or later on. I can't imagine anyone would want this in their community, in their neighborhood. Uh, at the couple weeks back when I was here, I asked, can any of the board members please just stop by? I I think I said I implored you to stop by to check this site out, check this neighborhood out, look at the street. I know I saw at least one person there, and I thank you for checking it out.

I thank you for looking at it. It is a beautiful neighborhood. It is a a very wooded neighborhood, tall trees, beautiful neighborhood. Um, incredible neighbors that having a large structure that uh I suppose could be decorated in some way. It was a comment I heard about, you know, there's well, maybe there's it doesn't have to look like a cell tower. I don't know how that could be, but potentially maybe. Um, but I still don't know that you'd want that in your backyard. I don't know that you'd want that in your neighborhood. The uh Verizon workshop that was held a couple weeks back. Um though the there is this sign posted though there is uh information about this proposal that is on the Webster web website.

If you know where to look, if you know what you're looking for, if you know that there is this proposal, you can dig and search and scroll to different sites and then you can find meeting notes or an agenda. But you need to know to look there. And that is frustrating as someone within the community to know that this structure is happening and there's been little communication about it unless you know where to look, unless you have connections. Um so there was a comment at the Verizon presentation about um the income from the leased property would go to the town for town initiatives. Uh I am curious and I think about that and what exactly does that mean?

And so us as the homeowners when our property value decreases, if and when we choose to sell and our property values decrease because of this giant structure any of that income, that revenue, would we be benefited in any way from the loss of the value of our homes because of the structure? Um, the RF engineer, uh, I believe he may have been from Verizon. I apologize. I'm not exactly sure where he was from. Uh, he was he made a comment about the uh, antennas and the height of where the antennas were. um and that um based on how the antennas were positioned is how I could understand it based on how the antennas were positioned they would emit less than 1% of the allowable uh level of RF frequency to get to the ground level.

There has been such that I cannot find enough data to support that that less than 1% is a safe percentage for those in the community that are nearby whose properties practically touch this tower. Um I also want to share that as Teresa had mentioned uh the lack of communication that has been perceived whether it was yes it was posted the sign was there. You had to live in the neighborhood in that surrounding area to see it. Um the if you knew to go to the Webster town board site to dig and find and poke and go into different areas, you could find information about it. But if you didn't know about it, if you didn't know the sign was there, you didn't know that any of this was happening.

So the So Dave, you're going to get less time because your wife's at 5 minutes and 30 seconds now. Okay. Well, I I appreciate t Tom Tommy calling me on my time, but I just want the board to know for anyone if my opinion matters, if our opinions matter. Um there is a tremendous amount of concern for this project. The lack of tr transparency around it, the lack of communication, the impact this is going to have on all of our property values, the safety concerns, both health or all of uh the safety concerns, health, safety, environmental. Um this incredible eyesore taken away from this beautiful park-like setting.

There is a I don't know where we are. this cell tower out here in this parking lot. Do you want that in your front yard, your backyard? Do you want to look at that every day? No. No one would want that. Um, so the detrimental visual impact as well to this beautiful neighborhood is also what I ask you to consider again if my opinion matters at all. So, thank you for your time. Thank you. [Applause] How much time do I have, Tom? Ah, go ahead. My name is Dave Remington and I live at uh 1214 Creek Side Trail. Um, I'm going to condense this cuz I thought they said everything that I wanted to say except you kept saying that Verizon debunked uh anything that was brought about safety concerns.

I don't think they debunked anything because there's just not enough studies that have been brought forward to debunk anything. and it was recently published uh two weeks ago by Make America Healthy Again. The report is the first official acknowledgement by the executive branch of the United States government that electromagnetic fields, EMFs, pose health risks. So, um even below the FCC exposure level guidelines and in itself this is groundbreaking. So, um, they haven't debunked anything. There's not enough studies on it. Um, they're rejecting cell phone towers uh being placed across America daily.

in Maryland, a cell phone tower was just rejected and they were um rejected because of the safety concerns and mainly because of how it would look. But Phyllis Randall said, and I I thought this was a great quote, to make a permanent environmental change for a short-term technology issue when you have technological advances that are happening every 5, 10, 15 years with huge advantages. I'm not going to do anything that is environmentally harmful for a shortterm technological gain. That cell tower was rejected by the board 8 to zero. And I think that what she said is is huge. 10 years from now, there's going to be something that is going to replace a cell tower.

We don't we don't want to make a in this decision to put a cell tower in that is going to we might not even need it 10 years from now. Um there's probably going to be satellites that'll do everything that we're the tower is going to do anyways. Um, I feel more people would have been here tonight, but being that it's July 3rd and most people are off this week and they're traveling and away for holiday, there probably would have been more people here to voice their concern. I think the the timing of this was again not that great. And uh that's all I have to say. Thank you for the opportunity to share my thoughts and we don't need another cell tower.

Thanks, Dave. [Applause] Uh, Christina Mchuan. Hello. Did you want to say something? No. Oh, okay. Perfect. All right. Well, my name is Christina Speizio Mchuan actually and I live at 1217 Wildflower Drive and I've lived in Webster for 29 years. This community is not just where I live. It's where I've built a life and I'm raising my family and have long-term invested in the future of my children. That's why I'm here tonight to voice my deep concern about the cell tower and the very real impact it will have on my family and where I live. My 13-month-old daughter lives just 10 houses down from where this will be, where she will be growing up, riding her bike, walking around, and living there day after day.

That's more than, you know, a lot of people. And I I just feel that's important to say. We chose this neighborhood for its safety, peace, and family first environment. As they have said, we have many community events. Easter egg hunt, a Halloween parade, we get together for football all the time. It's very community oriented. And I don't want to say that it's just an eyesore because it's not. It's all about health and the impact that it will have on our children as well. There are valid questions about the long-term effects in constant low-level RF radiation, especially on children. As a mother, I do not want to be in a position where in 5 to 10 years from now, 20 years, we should have been more cautious.

Why put that risk on my child when there are alternative sites available? And that brings me to a very practical point. What about Xerox that less than 3 miles from where the proposed site is and it's far less residential density? That kind of location makes for a great infrastructure like this without sacrificing the health, safety, or home values of with families like mine. What about the water treatment facility that we've brought up tonight? That's less than a mile away. Again, less of an impact. I'm not against technology or its progress. I use my phone every single day like everyone else.

I work in digital media and I work from home at my address and therefore I understand the the importance of connectivity. This decision is about where and how we move forward and whether we do it responsibly with the health and values of our community and our neighborhood in mind. I know we need this for emergency communication and the future of telecommunication infrastructure, but why here? I need you to reconsider this location. Don't put the burden on families, children, and long-standing residents of Webster who have made this town what it is. We deserve thoughtful planning that balances modern health with the well-being of people who call this place home and our future generations.

Thank you. Thank you. [Applause] Uh Mary Manifeld. Um, good evening one and all council members as well as neighbors and other Webster friends. Um, my name is Mary Monofelt and I live at 1230 Crown Point Drive, which is a street or two away from the backyards. And I just want to let you know that I had no idea this was going on. None of the neighbors around me knew anything about it. And I'm sorry to say I don't subscribe to the Webster Herald, but I think I will in the future so that I'm more up todate. Um, so the neighborhood is not aware. Um, I'm sure you thought you were doing your very best to get the word out, but it's not out.

I came tonight hoping to hear research andation about what this would really mean. And I'm sorry I missed the boat that it was prior to this. But it it appears to me that you probably should consider contacting the broader neighborhood and having another presentation before you do this. Um I'm also a retired nurse who worked in the field of research and my burning question is um what are the studies? What do we know about this? And how will it affect our health? And we know it's going to affect wealth. Um, and we don't know. And I'm hoping that you as council members did some digging and you have some answers on this.

Um, I commend all of you for your work. I have a daughter that served on a town council for 10 years and I just know what she has gone through. So, I can kind of guess what you are going through. And I want to thank all these neighbors for for coming out. And I think right now with a country in such turmoil, uh we need to start at the grassroots and be good and kind and um asigent as we can in working with one another. Thank you for your time. Thank you. [Applause] Uh, and then uh well, Mary Gder, that's a tough act to follow. Mary Montel was that was very impressive. Well, I wasn't planning to speak tonight, but um I my name is Mary Ger.

I'm at 1218 Creekide Trail, and I think the lack of transparency is big. I agree with everything everyone has said in terms of the safety and all that. I don't know enough about it. I wasn't at the last meeting. Um, but I do know that I live right next to Dave and Christie and I saw no sign because it's a culde-sac. It's a dead end. And unless you have a reason to go down there, I'm not going to ever see a sign. There was nothing in my mailbox. I would say about a week ago, a friend said, "I sent you something on Facebook Messenger." So, if you don't have social media, you might have never found out about it.

Um, the other thing is, so nothing was ever put in my mailbox, but when my neighbor across the street put an addition on his house, he had to ask all of us neighbors and get approval from us because we would see it from their house. I got nothing. And the first thing, my son came over to swim at our house the other day. He lives off a halt. He'll probably be able to see it, too, honestly, if it's 100 feet tall. He said, "What's this going to do to your property value, mom?" and he has a baby. He goes, a five-month-old. He goes, "I wouldn't want that near my house." So, I'm here to support everybody and to tell you I really don't want it either, Tom.

We live in a neighborhood just like yours. I don't think any of you guys would want it either. But the fact that I cannot see the sign from my house and I live next to Dave and Christie that that there's a problem. And no one told me about it until I was sold, look at the message on Facebook Messenger. So, that's why I'm here tonight. Thanks, Mary. Now, did anybody else want to take the podium tonight? Why don't you hang on for a second and go on up there? And we are going to need name and address. Absolutely. Uh my name is Stacy Shone. I live at 1257 Wildflower. So, I am actually the first house as you come into our neighborhood off of 250.

So, I had absolutely no idea that this was happening just down the street from us. Um, I didn't, you know, scroll through the website um searching and digging to try and find something. I had no reason to know to like go and look. Um, so the sign is nothing I would pass by and I live in the neighborhood. It's way back in the neighborhood. I would have never known if Chrissy hadn't said anything to me. Um, so that's the only reason that I'm even here tonight. I didn't know that there was a meeting two weeks ago to learn about all of the the this project. Um, I had no idea. Um, I I don't know if most of the people in our in our neighborhood know we have a really split age group.

We have some some elderly people who may not be on social media. They may not be scrolling on websites. I'm pretty into social media and can, you know, figure this all out and I didn't know. So to think that everyone in the neighborhood knows, it's not. It's it's the wrong assumption. And I would hate for people to be caught off guard when all of a sudden this is happening. And to go off of what other people have said, you wouldn't want this in your in your neighborhood. You wouldn't want to look across the street and see this. We've worked really hard to own these homes and to put so much time and pride in our neighborhood and in our homes and to know that this is going into our neighborhood or I guess it sounds like Mr.

Danielle that this is going into our neighborhood and it's going to directly impact the property values. You're sacrificing a neighborhood that like we are a tight-knit community and a tight-knit neighborhood that values get get togethers and all of the family fun and you're sacrificing all of our property values I get for other people and it's it's not okay. And you know, like I said, we had no idea. We live in this neighborhood. We are the f the very first house and I had absolutely no idea. I didn't even get one of those blue flyers. So, I had no idea that this is happening and we're pretty active in our neighborhood and we still didn't know.

So, please don't go under the assumption that the neighborhood knows or that people in the area know. I would guess that the people in the neighborhood behind us don't know. The area of Providence like that neighborhood, I would guess that they don't know either. So, please don't make a decision in a hurry under the assumption that people know because they they don't. I talked to two of my neighbors today after I found out and they didn't know either. So, please just take a moment and just make a decision that supports everyone here to the best of your ability. And please don't rush into something.

Sorry, that was all over. Thanks, Daisy. No, not at all. All right. Can we get your name? Hello. Yes. I was not planning on speaking either. Uh my name is Tom. I also live at 127 Wildflower. My beautiful wife spoke a few minutes ago. Um you know, with in terms of Verizon and whether or not they debunk things, Volkswagen defended their diesel cars as low emissions. We all know how that turned out. Nestle defended their baby formula that led to malnutrition and death. Kelloggs defended harmful chemicals in their cereal. So with Verizon, whatever their argument is, until we see some data and some verifiable evidence that there is no harm from this, we should not move forward.

Um, I think if this was not on July 3rd, what you would see is more people in this room than chairs. I think it's very obvious that there's a lot of people here that are concerned. Um, I don't think anyone in this room is implying there's any malicious intent on behalf of anyone on the board. Rather, the path of least resistance is not the path forward. If there needs to be further town board meetings, if we need to meet with the zoning board, if there's other committees or things that need to be involved, when it's not on the day before a major holiday, we will be there. You will see a ton of families.

you will see a ton of people involved. Um, if it comes down to the FCC putting their fist down and making that decision, well, that's a shame. But until then, I think everyone here can agree it's worth the time, it's worth the effort, and it's worth the investment to have this argument um, and move that tower. Thank you. Thanks, Tom. Anybody else behind the beam? Anybody? Look at this. Oh, no. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Oh, well, no, we're not done just yet cuz Oh, you're heading out. Uh, Nico, is it going to be you? Is it going to be Okay. Yes, sir. Think you might be bringing up the rear here. [Laughter] Good evening.

Uh, Robert Bergdorf Law from Nick of Nixon Peabody here tonight on behalf of Verizon Wireless. Also for the record, I have Kathy Pomponio, project manager, and Nico Facy, who's the uh site acquisition consultant to the extent their testimony might be helpful or desirable by the uh board. At the last meeting, we explained the need for the facility in order to cover what we call the Webster North Sal. Uh and there was extensive proof submitted both in terms of testimony and extensive proof that has been submitted in writing for the need for the facility. I don't think there's any any dispute as to that.

Uh we explained also the extreme limited flexibility as to where you can place a cell tower and have it work within the network. It's called cellular because it's a honeycomb grid and there has to be a tower essentially in the center. And think of like a flashlight. You turn upside down. You lift that flashlight up. That beam gets bigger. You bring it down. That beam comes in. You move it around. That whole footprint moves. The idea is it's got to be in a spot so that it reaches the edges of the cell, connects to the neighboring cell coverage without unduly overlapping or interfering. So the point of all that is extremely limited flexibility and that will come into play in a minute when I talk about alternative locations.

Uh federal and state law do allow the telephone company as a public utility to have a facility in a spot that works and there are special protections for that and the reason for that is because this is a service. It's considered an essential service like water, like gas, like electric. So, it's got to be able to get to the people that it it serves. The site plan was reviewed last time, too. Um, couple of issues were raised at the last meeting, and we responded to that in a June 16th letter, and we responded to everything that was raised. I'm going to do that tonight as well, regardless of whether it's legally relevant.

So, I want to put that in the record that I want people to be comfortable with the issues that they've raised. Um, because I know these comments are heartfelt. Um, but a lot of them are legally irrelevant and a lot of them are simply untrue and I'm hoping that uh uh tonight we can we can cover some of those. Let's start with alternative locations. uh what was submitted with the RF justification report is with uh exhibit in exhibit A of the June 16th submission shows and I wish we could put it up on the screen but it shows and I I hope everybody this is filed with the town so I hope everybody gets a chance to look at this and to read this and this is showing the coverage in the town for instance we had uh a suggestion and by the way the green is showing from different towers in the area.

Yellow is where it peters out and the orange is where you need better coverage. White is completely completely uh uh uh poor coverage. Webster North is right. You can see right here in this area where we've got the gaps, we got the problems with the coverage. There's a suggestion to go to Xerox Park. This is Xerx Park. We have a tower there already covered. It's not even in this cell, let alone in the search area. There's a suggestion of Webster Park. We have a tower in that area right in Webster Park covering this. So moving there does nothing to cover this objective, this problem. Neither did there was another one that was raised.

I just looked at it with Nico also outside the search area and outside the coverage area where it would provide appropriate service because in terms of alternate sites, we don't care where we are. We could care less as long as it provides as long Excuse me. Excuse me. You can only speak when you're at the podium. Okay. And and should have made that clear in the rules also. Um, keep going. We we don't care where we are as long as it provides effective coverage from technical standpoint without unreasonable cost without unreasonable delay. We have been to towns where another site has come up. We moved.

We don't care if there's another alternative that works. But it has to work. And what we can't do is we can't go away and will not go away. We have to provide coverage, adequate coverage under our FCC license. So for alternative locations, I encourage people to read what was exhibit A of the June 16 submission. I think that'll explain a lot about cellular coverage, about the technical aspects of it, about the limited flexibility and why we ended up here. Um, but we cannot go go uh we cannot leave this unserved. It will be corrected. And I want to talk about health effects because and my first cell tower was 1988.

So, I've been doing these for 37 years, almost nothing but cell towers, more than I can count. And health effects have come up. Somebody said there's no data. This is all new. 37 years. Um, we submitted, well, before I get into the submission, let me mention that health effects are specifically prohibited from being reviewed by a municipality in this situation. Um, and Robert opportunity, you're at 4:45. Well, it depends on whether you want all these answered or not because there are some important things to do and um you know, we've got we could we could have other folks I could take their time, but the important thing here is is to get some of this out because I think people have asked are there studies?

We submitted those. We submitted those a recent one from the University of Pittsburgh and it sites studies from the Federal Communications Commission, the Food and Drug Administration, the National Cancer Institute, the American Cancer Society, the European Commission, World Health Organization, Health Canada, United Kingdom Health Protection Agency, the Swedish Council for Working Life, the Norwegian Institute for Public Health, and one of the biggest ones, the Institute of Electrical and Electronic Engineers on Electromagnetic uh safety. to say that there are no studies is just not true. Um, moreover, it is preempted.

It is prohibited from even being discussed or reviewed by a municipality. Property values. Somebody said there's no data on property values. There's plenty of data on property values and we submitted it as part of that's exhibit C to the June 16th. There are plenty of data to show that indeed instead of having a negative impact, the data shows that having reliable wireless coverage actually increases property values. People have said, "I can't believe you're putting this in a neighborhood." I put thousands and thousands of cell towers. Not always in neighborhoods, but they are routinely in neighborhoods.

Just like gas lines, just like telephone lines, just like electric lines. They're a public utility. They have to be where they need to be in order to serve people. We heard the issue of uh noise being raised. There is no noise. There is a generator. Should there be a ice storm power outage, then yes, there would be a generator, but it's more important at that point to be able to have emergency services. Lights. This is an unlit facility. Somebody said it's going to be lit. Traffic. There is no traffic post construction um short of an occasional maintenance call. It used to be about once a month, but now all of that stuff is done uh over the phone lines.

So, he's Nico, he's cutting into your time. You're gonna be out and so are you. Okay. It's like a husband wife thing. I gave it a total of 10 minutes. You you're husband one of you just is taking all your time. Keep keep going, Robert. Noise, none. Lights unlit. Traffic, no traffic. Property values, again, that's just not the data. The biggest issue that was raised here was health effects. And I'm saying that even though it is preempted, I don't want people to leave here feeling that this could be a danger. So I'm urging you, I'm urging you to read what we submitted. Read what's out there from credible sources.

You can always find some nutty sources, but from credible sources. The other thing that was explained to me decades ago that made the most sense from a health standpoint was what's being transmitted from these towers is a radio signal. No different than what you get from a a television station or radio station. It's no different except it's extremely extremely weak. When you have a radio station or a television station, they can operate in the megawatts, millions of watts because it's receive only. They're just broadcasting out. All you have to do is receive it. These towers have it's two-way transmission.

They have to hear back from the phone. Because of that, it's extremely small. The footprint's small. It doesn't broadcast far. You cannot broadcast beyond. We can't even get over to Xerox Park. This one doesn't broadcast to Xerox Park or Webster Park. That extremely limited transmission band because you have to have a two-way transmission means it's an incredibly weak signal. So if you're truly concerned about this, you would be far more concerned about every television radio station, you should be taking those down first. This has been around since uh the beginning of the 20th century, radio signals.

This is no different. Only cellular is an extremely extremely weak radio signal. So I urge you to read that. I urge you to read the studies that we submitted. Can I ask you a quick question? So when you you showed the first example of the map and the coverage area and the different colors um and therefore it kind of narrows down the area in order for what I don't think you developed it fully but it sounded like in order for Verizon to keep its license under the FCC it has to kind of push forward in this regard and make sure there is coverage. If if you took that area and let's assume for a moment that there was no public land.

It was all privately owned. Mhm. H how how big is is the the diameter the circumference of the options that you would have? Yeah, this is shown on page four. Again, so much of what raised tonight has been submitted. So, I just urge you to read it and and then come with your questions. But that's on page four and it shows the the search area. So to your point, when there is a service area, a new cell, this case the western north cell that needs to be covered, the engineers review it, they analyze it, they build digitally on the computer, they build towers at different places, different heights, and they figure out what works.

Right? So the radius here is is how how large approximately talking miles approach. Let me show you because you'll be more familiar. Well, don't don't bet on it, but but approximate No, none of this. No, no. You have to have public business. It's open. The um So, so how how there's a scale on this? You could have a scale to show search area. I believe diameter or radius. Okay. So it's a 1000 foot radius of 2000. I can't measure about 2,000 footages that page four of and this is on the town website because is this the document that was passed out? Is that what you're referring to? Okay, let let's everybody stop for a minute.

Okay, I just this is more of a quasi hypothetical. So just just hold on a minute. Okay. All right. So, let's assume it was 2,000 ft. All right, that's that's that's the radius that this tower has to go in to serve the underserved areas. Okay. Now, if in that 2,00 uh foot radius there was no public land. Okay. What what does Verizon do at that point? Oh, we search for what we try to do is first there's a hierarchy. So first we look for any existing structures be it other towers be it steeples be it buildings. So if we have a colloc we call it a collocation opportunity if we have a collocation opportunity we'll take that first.

Did did Verizon do that in this case or did it did it not because of the availability of public? Oh no no it's search it scrubs the search area. I mean that's that's Nico's job. He's to go out and scrub the search area. First thing he does is look for uh existing facilities. And did did and I and I apologize because I haven't read the packet. So did did Verizon publish as part of this presentation what other options it it may not be the number one option but what other options were available in the um in that area that it's not published here okay but we would have I mean we would have it in notes we would see what's been okay but and I'm not holding you to this exact number but is it fair to say that there were options although maybe not prioritized as the number one option, but were there other options?

Um, not no and in and and for this in this sense any other option was closer to homes or they're in residential neighborhoods um like where there was already only speaker only the speaker from the podium and and I'm sorry I just want to make sure I'm clear on this. the the other the other options that were in the our hypothetical if you were the 2,000 foot uh radius. Did you say that those were published as part of your filings or not? No, they're not published. We had those notes would be internal if the town were to ask you for that publication, would you provide it? Yep, absolutely. We we would show we would show, but the other thing it's if I could just go through that hierarchy.

So we start to look for a collocation. Then we start to look for uh industrial or manufacturing areas. Then we start to look for municipal land because typically municipalities so so least obtrusive to most obtrusive. That's exactly right. Okay. And here we stopped at municipal. The other thing we have to look at is sometimes we find it's not just that we also have to look at are there wetlands because we can't go in wetlands. Are there I don't think we had this issue here, but are there steep slopes that we can't put them on? Are there constructibility issues? Not get so much here, but we've been in rural areas where you're going up the side of a mountain.

So, all those things come together um to come up with um opportunities within that search area. And in this case, this was the one that was the least obtrusive that was available. And if the town were to ask you for that uh lease to to most you'd be able to yes there may be nothing else in this search area in which case we would turn to the town and say to anybody do you have a better alternative in the search area like I said before we don't care where we are does from when when you look at least to most obtrusive does the fact that public land is available preempt that analysis or it's all weighted equally?

private person because I'm thinking in the back of my mind obviously if Verizon has to purchase land or lease land or lease a tower space does that impact the weight that the priorities I'm I'm not sure I follow I mean if we don't really care whether it's public or private okay um typically towns want us on public so that will give it a little more weight but if we went in there and a town said no we want you on private and it was available without unreasonable cost, unreasonable delay and it worked. We don't care. Can I just inter intervene for a second? Is it uh on June 5th and certainly if everybody gives their email address, I'll send you what Denine put together links to the audio and visual uh of what was done that night.

Um, at the beginning of it, I said that after the lake and pellet experience back at the end of 21 and how that just went, it was it was tough. And when we got done with it, I think I reached out to Mike Crosby and you and I think Kathy also you and I said with Josh Artuso, our director of community development, I said, I I don't like to be in a reactive position where all of a sudden we find out that you got some lease with somebody that's going to be next to a bunch of neighbors. Uh so why don't you get together us with us and let's be proactive. where is your coverage shortages in Webster and work with Josh in GIS mapping and see, you know, where is the, as you call it, least obtrusive places.

Um, that worked very well on the five mile line corridor because it ended up going on top of Cherry Ridge. Uh, and it took care of that because there were five major ones if Mike Crosby, I think, and I explained this back on the 5th of June. So, that one was taken care of and it was uh it was great. This one, which is one of the major ones because of how many people live in that central part. Um, this this I don't know. I wish Josh was here because he'll put I don't know how many acres this town parcel is that has our sewer pump station on it, but it's a pretty large parcel considering when you walk down past the rope path.

I stepped it off like a referee in football and to it was it about 160 yards about 450 to 500 ft back to where the pump station is. You go to the right, it's a visual. I think most of the board members walk this place. It's It's back there. Mhm. Um and then you got to see where they're tucking in to put this tower. Um so we started looking at that site and where to put it on probably a year and a half ago is my guess. Um, and and honestly, when I saw the sightelines and the trees and this and that, I'm like, I don't know if you'd ever be able to see this thing. Uh, you know, from some of the houses that the people are here tonight and uh I don't know if you'd be able to see it.

Now, I know that you guys have done some sight lines and all that stuff and whatever. So, uh, but that just gives you a little history. Yeah. Um and um so that's where we said, "Okay, uh I know that Keith Mortimer has been working with you guys uh for better part of like six or seven months because we're the landlord." So, you know, I don't know how long it usually takes you to negotiate a lease with a private holder like the the Bowens down on Pellet Road at Lake, but you know, a lot shorter than this. Well, and there were some complexities to it because Art, our sewer guy, said, "Look, you can't put it there because my truck and I got a pump station there and all that stuff." Um, so there were some complexities.

I know it moved, you know, this way, this way, this way. Really, because it is a sewer pump station. I don't know if anybody knew that, by the way, but that's what it is. It's a town-owned parcel. That's where one of our sewer pump stations are. So, I got a quick question for you. Um because I did walk this the site down there and it's pretty obvious to me that that's they're very old growth trees down there. They're 70 feet tall. The diameters are probably six feet tall. And I saw an area that was ribboned off. Okay. which to me from what I saw it didn't seem to me that very many trees were going to be cut down but I didn't see any definitive diameter because it would go a certain circumference and then stop.

Yeah. So my question to you is and and by the way with respect to your comment about the WH study I don't anything that comes out of the WHO any study whatsoever over what we've learned in the last six months I have no credib they have no credibility with me but that's just a sidebar. Um what is what exactly is the diameter of the footprint of the cell tower? Yeah, do we have a we don't have a construction drawing or a zoning drawing? I'll give you this. That's on. That's that's that's my question to you, sir. The corner. You can't see because it's in the trees very close to the creek. They pushed it closer to the flood zone.

It's a flood zone. It does we were under the impression is this protected area's mark off [Applause] the no action 37 by 78 area. So 38 ft by kill 78 ft area. So this is your tower in here. Yeah, that's a tower. There's no guy wires. The tower itself. Yeah, this is not So can I Yep. Yeah. Hey, Robert. Thank you very much. I'll tell you what. I just I want to finish up if I could just with Well, you know what, Robert? I'm going to I'm going to Can I tell you something? Now you've taken your two spouses time, but I also appreciate the attorney had a question for the attorney. If I let that go on all night, we'll be here until the 9th of July.

Sorry. So, here's the thing. This is very simple. So, we can get home. We got young kids, this and that. I think here here it is. The town board tonight either says, "Hey, let's do a resolution. Let's kill this cell tower. That I think is a very bad move for all the things that would spawn off of that. The second action we could do is we could basically table this stuff and then kick it to the 17th. So you all can come back on the 17th and we'll probably have the same conversation, but the board's going to have to decide that at that point the Monroe test or sending it to planning board. The third option is we do the Monroe test tonight, do the three uh resolutions and this is done and that tower is going up.

And the fourth option is that we kick it to the planning board so it can go through the planning board. So unless anybody Well, I'm going to make the motion I make a motion that we Excuse me. I make a motion that we refer this proposed creekide cell tower to the planning board for their review. Second. Supervisor Flareity. I. Councilman Cahillo. Hi. Councilwoman Katali, I. Councilwoman Wyn. Um, this is a tough one. Just also for the record, I have walked and and and viewed the area as well and um I do have you know grandkids and and I know that there's a lot of um study but they have still not you know effective yet and especially you know um come to health.

I would have vote no on this one. Um but because they are moving it to the planning war and the zoning war and if it come back to us again I would have vote no. So therefore right now because it's moved to the zoning war and planning war I'm going to vote yes because they can can take a look at that. But if we have to decide to get this vote a resolution to either for the cell tower, I apologize, but I would have vote no. Okay, councilwoman Right. I said five. Yep. Okay. So, that concludes the meeting, but I just want to let everybody know because there's been a lot of things that happened tonight.

the next planning board meeting. And I don't know, Keith, this is more Josh's purview, and I don't know if Erica left. Um Oh, she is still back there, but I don't want to put you on the spot. The next planning board meeting is the first Tuesday of August, which is August 8th. What is it? No, August. August 4th. August 4th. Oh, is that two? That's Monday. August 5th. August 5th. Okay. What time now? Hold on. whether this can get synced in with the Verizon people and the planning board people and whatever next week and it meets the calendar of the August 5th. I don't know. But when that if it is on August 5th, I don't know if that's a public hearing that night.

I I don't really oversee the planning board, John. it's more I mean if they're doing preliminary and whatever they may look at it and say well based on this height and whatever we got to send it from here to the zoning board at least on that issue it's possible okay and so the zoning board if they send it for the variance on height and they don't do a public hearing which you won't be able to speak if they don't do a public hearing and they just send it to the zoning board that would be August 12th I don't know if they'd be able to get it immediately over a week later to August 12th. Now, that probably would be a public hearing and they would go through all this stuff.

But if they say okay and they push it back to the planning board, I'm speculating at best. This is what's going to happen. There's going to be several more meetings, some of them with public hearing where you can take that podium, some of them where there's not. If it gets through the zoning board on August 12th, then it goes back to the planning board, which is the first Tuesday in September. That's the second. I know that because Labor Day is the first. Uh and then if they go through preliminary and final and there's a public hearing, I think it comes back here, John, for whatever we do. This sounds like Pelatin Lake revisited, which would probably be September 18th.

Uh, let's see. September 2nd's a Tuesday. Our first board meeting is the 4th. So, it' be the 4th or the 18th. Very possible this potentially through all of that that I just described. One delay here, one delay there. It's going to end up back at this board probably in September or October. So, it's nice. We might be here for Halloween the same way we were here for Fourth of July. But right now we have moved it off the town board over to the planning board. They will look at all this. You'll see designs. You'll see this. You'll see that. The zoning board will have to look at the variances. There will be a lot of dissection of this.

Um, and that concludes